Something I don't get about the remastering

Synapse · Post by **Synapse** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:29 pm

I'm buying the remastered DVDs, but thanks to those who posted screenshots and video. There's only one thing that confuses me, and the fact that I haven't seen other people mention it might mean it's something obvious that I've overlooked.

I watched the remastered Cha-La-Head-Cha-La with all the said scratches and chilli peppers.

Then I watched an original fullscreen episode, and the intro was damn near perfect. In fact, I saw multiple intros on youtube and they didn't have the same visual problems as the remastered ones. So why is this?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:51 pm

Because there are different openings with different credits depending on the episode or movie in question. The opening they chose for this particular release just happened to be a crappy one.

JAPPO · Post by **JAPPO** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:09 pm

I don't know about you, but full screen had a hell of a lot of grain. I'm just glad they got rid of it, the opening doesn't really matter when you marathon it.

ssgOverlord · Post by **ssgOverlord** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:18 pm

Hmm....Although Funimation says "Original Japanese Masters", I think they got the backups that were in a basement. Or so it seems.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:27 pm

ssgOverlord wrote:Hmm....Although Funimation says "Original Japanese Masters", I think they got the backups that were in a basement. Or so it seems.

Like someone else said:

It's a Japanese show. Any film gotten from them is 'original japanese'.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:29 pm

JAPPO wrote:I don't know about you, but full screen had a hell of a lot of grain. I'm just glad they got rid of it, the opening doesn't really matter when you marathon it.

Grain and noise may be a problem to you, but I think getting rid of grain also means getting rid of some details that were meant to be there. Now, had they gotten rid of all the dirt scratches but left the grain in I'd find it about as perfect as it could be.

I usually use the marathon feature, anyway, so I'm not too upset over the opening.

Cross-examining the angles on this set with the manga panels, though, has made me remember why I like the manga so much. I just sat here and watched a single page of the manga take about five minutes of the anime to do.

At this rate I'm thinking about just sticking to manga and soundtracks.

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:49 pm

JAPPO wrote:I don't know about you, but full screen had a hell of a lot of grain. I'm just glad they got rid of it, the opening doesn't really matter when you marathon it.

It's real easy to remove grain, it's simply done with filtering. However you will always lose some detail and make the overal picture blurrier. You can get rid of the bluriness using a sharpening filter. All of this though, is much better when optinal. With the fullscreen formats you can easily change this with a decoder, with the widescreen ones you are bound to something that looks like a crappy bootleg all the time.

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi · Post by **Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 4:55 pm

Pieter wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I don't know about you, but full screen had a hell of a lot of grain. I'm just glad they got rid of it, the opening doesn't really matter when you marathon it.
It's real easy to remove grain, it's simply done with filtering. However you will always lose some detail and make the overal picture blurrier. You can get rid of the bluriness using a sharpening filter. All of this though, is much better when optinal. With the fullscreen formats you can easily change this with a decoder, with the widescreen ones you are bound to something that looks like a crappy bootleg all the time.

Umm... Why would wide screen and full screen look any different, except for the fact that it's cropped? You can still use the same filters and video editing software on both, so why should it be any different?

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:07 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:
Pieter wrote:
JAPPO wrote:I don't know about you, but full screen had a hell of a lot of grain. I'm just glad they got rid of it, the opening doesn't really matter when you marathon it.
It's real easy to remove grain, it's simply done with filtering. However you will always lose some detail and make the overal picture blurrier. You can get rid of the bluriness using a sharpening filter. All of this though, is much better when optinal. With the fullscreen formats you can easily change this with a decoder, with the widescreen ones you are bound to something that looks like a crappy bootleg all the time.
Umm... Why would wide screen and full screen look any different, except for the fact that it's cropped? You can still use the same filters and video editing software on both, so why should it be any different?

I don't know what you mean. Anyway I said they should not have changed it and I'm talking dragonbox vs funimation remaster.

Mystery Person X · Post by **Mystery Person X** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:11 pm

Mayuri Furiza Kurotsuchi wrote:Umm... Why would wide screen and full screen look any different, except for the fact that it's cropped? You can still use the same filters and video editing software on both, so why should it be any different?

He's not talking about an inherent difference between widescreen and fullscreen, he's talking specifically about the fullscreen releases of DBZ that exist and the widescreen release of DBZ that exists. With the widescreen version, we're stuck with it being filtered to hell - there's no way of un-filtering it.

Synapse · Post by **Synapse** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 5:28 pm

Kendamu wrote:Because there are different openings with different credits depending on the episode or movie in question. The opening they chose for this particular release just happened to be a crappy one.

Oh well of course! lol. I mean it was the same cha la head cha la. Basically I watched the intro to episodes 1-39 of the DVD in that thread where they posted clips, and it had nice color but there were some scratches and stuff.

then i watched the same intro (cha la head cha la) in an original japanese episode i got on my computer. then i checked the intro out on youtube since there are multiple posts of it, and none of them had the same problem with cha la head cha la that the season one set episodes did

Synapse · Post by **Synapse** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:18 pm

unless...did they use different prints for the original japanese version as opposed to the supposed "japanese masters" for the season sets? i assumed they vere the same, but the cha la head cha la on the season sets is the only one with all the noticable damage.

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:41 pm

Synapse wrote:unless...did they use different prints for the original japanese version as opposed to the supposed "japanese masters" for the season sets? i assumed they vere the same, but the cha la head cha la on the season sets is the only one with all the noticable damage.

They're using a late generation film master for the Season Sets. It's going to have more natural damage since film is rather delicate. In the case of the Dragon Box, they used the archived photography which had little damage, and cleaned it up further. In the case of FUNi's old broadcast masters, they were already in a "ready to air" state (generally clean), and obviously digibeta doesn't become so naturally damaged as 16mm film. However, FUNi wouldn't have been able to make new HD masters off digibeta broadcast tapes, so they bought those film masters from Toei.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:12 pm

To be honest, I doubt Toei would even give Funi their original masters. Seriously, could you imagine how pissed Toei would be if Funi screwed them up?

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:23 am

Sun_Wukong wrote:To be honest, I doubt Toei would even give Funi their original masters. Seriously, could you imagine how pissed Toei would be if Funi screwed them up?

Why would Toei be pissed? They've already released the entire DBZ series to their own R2 DVD brand, so it's not like selling their original film masters would be suicide. As it is, they have no reason not to sell. Hell, I think those Spanish releases even have it, albeit with the colors saturated.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:38 am

Conan the SSJ wrote:Why would Toei be pissed? They've already released the entire DBZ series to their own R2 DVD brand, so it's not like selling their original film masters would be suicide. As it is, they have no reason not to sell. Hell, I think those Spanish releases even have it, albeit with the colors saturated.

Because no further projects could be done from the original film source, besides it is very rare if ever that *the* original masters to a series are given to someone licensing it for release in another country.

Besides, the Spanish releases probably originate from Digibeta source based off the DragonBox masters. There's no way in hell Toei will part with the original masters.

-Corey

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:46 am

Why would Toei be pissed? They've already released the entire DBZ series to their own R2 DVD brand, so it's not like selling their original film masters would be suicide. As it is, they have no reason not to sell. Hell, I think those Spanish releases even have it, albeit with the colors saturated.

Well, for one thing, that would mean no re-releases by Toei. Or by anyone else. Ever. (*Unless Toei had some backups somewhere...*)

FUNimation would go, 'Can we have a redo? PLEASE?!'

DBW · Post by **DBW** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 12:55 am

Eclipse wrote:
Why would Toei be pissed? They've already released the entire DBZ series to their own R2 DVD brand, so it's not like selling their original film masters would be suicide. As it is, they have no reason not to sell. Hell, I think those Spanish releases even have it, albeit with the colors saturated.
Well, for one thing, that would mean no re-releases by Toei. Or by anyone else. Ever. (*Unless Toei had some backups somewhere...*)

Then they'd just give FUNi a copy of the backup (like they did in this situation). Studios don't part with their original materials unless it involves fire or theft.

You're not gonna see Disney give their original 1940 masters of Fantasia away for remastering in Brazil.

Synapse · Post by **Synapse** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:15 am

It depends though.

DBZ is huge in the US. Wouldn't that mean that they'd get a lot of money for their original film masters since FUNi was planning their definitive release?

People naturally get intrigued when they hear they're using the "originals" of something. Toei probably knew this and lent the masters to FUNi for a large sum of money. I mean, won't Toei get some of the profit for the season sets?

I mean, if it were like Ukraine I wouldn't assume they'd part with their masters either, but the US is a pretty damn good business partner.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:23 am

Synapse, you're thinking waaaaay too idealistically. FUNimation has the same "masters" they've had since 1994 when they licensed the series. Toei's not lending out jack-shit. As DBW said, they may have obtained some new film prints, but it's not like Toei's selling or lending out their absolute masters to the series.

I'm seeing, time and time again, people falling for this (brilliant) marketing bullshit FUNimation's pulling over your head. I almost feel like at this point they could create demand for a pile of swirly Barry Watson poop by producing a tech video showing how important it was to the initial licensing of the series in America.

And to top it off, the top head of the poop would be cut off 'cuz they found some extra smelly scent to the left and the right of it.

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