Broly, stronger than Perfect Cell?

[Jermyn]

Is Broy in LSSJ mode stronger than Perfect Cell at full power?

[Xyex]

Depends wich full power Cell you mean. Full power without gettng buff, or full power when buff. I'd say LSSJ Broly is as strong as non-buffed up Cell. But that's just guess work based on the battles, obviously.

[Drunken Master]

Well, a Super Saiyan still beat Broly. I'm pretty confident that Cell is stronger. People don't like to admit it, but Bojack is stronger than both. People can't handle that idea for some reason.


"but hes the legendarie supa saiya-jjin!"

I remember topics back in the day that read..."Brolly vs SSj4 Goku". People think he's a God for some reason.

[Kaboom]

I was just thinking about this, like, not even an hour ago. Weird...

Well, I'd say Broli is at least as powerful as Perfect Cell (At his max against SSj2 Gohan, but still getting his ass kicked), but not as strong as Super Perfect Cell. I mean, everyone in Movie 8 was obviously in their Post-RoSaT state, and Broli was smacking them all around like they were nothing. Even/especially Gohan, so that'd seem to indicate he's somewhat stronger.

Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Broli though, as is SSj2 Gohan.

[Duo]

everyone in Movie 8 was obviously in their Post-RoSaT state

Hoho? I could prove that wrong easily. And then prove the other side wrong as well. The characters in Movie 8 were based off Vegeta and Trunks after they left the Chamber, and Gohan and Goku while they were still in it, before they were permanently transformed. That justifies everything that happens in the movie.

And if that's too "far-fetched" to work, then make Movie 3 and 4 work. Then we'll talk.

Anyway, while I hate to address the actual subject, which is rather ridiculous in itself, it would make sense that Broli was about the level Cell was in when he fought Goku.

Gohan, in movie 10, does better than anyone in movie 8 does against Broli, and is also weaker than he was in the Cell Game, so maybe a bit weaker than Goku was during the Cell Game...so yeah, it all works out.

[Kaboom]

Oh, okay then.

[Xyex]

Gohan, in movie 10, does better than anyone in movie 8 does against Broli, and is also weaker than he was in the Cell Game, so maybe a bit weaker than Goku was during the Cell Game...so yeah, it all works out.

I've never bought that Gohan wasn't SSJ2 in movie 10. His power's dipped off like hell so I don't think it's a far stretch for him to have dipped to level somewhere between Perfect and Super Perfect Cell, which is the same range I put LSSJ Brolly at.

I know, no lightning, blah, blah, blah, blah. Toei's not nearly as consistant as Toriyama with this stuff.

[Duo]

Gohan, in movie 10, does better than anyone in movie 8 does against Broli, and is also weaker than he was in the Cell Game, so maybe a bit weaker than Goku was during the Cell Game...so yeah, it all works out.

I've never bought that Gohan wasn't SSJ2 in movie 10. His power's dipped off like hell so I don't think it's a far stretch for him to have dipped to level somewhere between Perfect and Super Perfect Cell, which is the same range I put LSSJ Brolly at.

I know, no lightning, blah, blah, blah, blah. Toei's not nearly as consistant as Toriyama with this stuff.

A stand-still argument over the issue with you doesn't appeal to me right now anyway. We still haven't agreed on Super Saiyan Goku's power level, haha.

[Phenomenol]

Broli destroyed a Galaxy, Super Kanzentai Cell has the power to destroy an entire Solar system.

I would say power goes to Broli raw skill goes to Cell.

[Duo]

Broli destroyed a Galaxy, Super Kanzentai Cell has the power to destroy an entire Solar system.

I would say power goes to Broli raw skill goes to Cell.

I utterly fail to recall Broli ever destroying a Galaxy in one go.

[Ex-Dubbie369]

Broli destroyed a Galaxy, Super Kanzentai Cell has the power to destroy an entire Solar system.

I would say power goes to Broli raw skill goes to Cell.

I utterly fail to recall Broli ever destroying a Galaxy in one go.

I believe he does at the beginning of movie 8, if I'm not mistaken.

[Conan the SSJ]

Broli destroyed a Galaxy, Super Kanzentai Cell has the power to destroy an entire Solar system.

Did Broly do it in one attack like Cell was going to? No, he was wiping planets out one at a time. In the span of many years.

Anywho, I'd like to think a nice comparison is the effects of Goku's pointblank Kamehame-Ha. It did absolutely nothing to Broly, but shattered Cell's entire head and upper body off, noticeably dropping his power too. Yes, there is the aspect that Cell wasn't at his maximum power and was neither buffed up or at the post-Kaio planet destroyed level, so it leaves open room for debate. But whatever, all this discussion will lead to is guess after guess, theory after theory, while a true answer doesn't exist.

I believe he does at the beginning of movie 8, if I'm not mistaken.

It's never stated either way if Broly destroys it in one shot, we just see the galaxy slowly deteriorating at the start of the movie. It's implied by Goku's planetary travels in searching for him and Paragus's flashbacks that Broly destroys one planet at a time, never even blowing the place up.

[Steven Perry]

Well, I always thought the ki bars in Budokai 3 are indicative of a character's power... and according to B3, Broly's normal state is as strong as Super-Saiyan 2, and his Legendary form as strong as Super-Saiyan 3. Omega Shenron's got full ki, so that makes sense. And Hercule's got a small ki capacity.

As you already know, a character's 'power' is proportional to their stored ki.

Broly wasn't even killed when the combined energies of Trunks, Piccolo, Gohan, Vegeta, and Goku- all very strong- was concentrated into one blast in the stomach. Broly even withstood 'New' planet Vegeta's destruction from a comet...

[Drunken Master]

Well, if we're going with near defeats now, Cell survived being completely blown up. He also came back after having his top half destroyed. Also, Freeza survived a planet exploding when he was in two pieces.

Also, the warriors were near dead basically, with no ki left. It's not like they Goku a ton of energy, just what they had left.

[Phenomenol]

I utterly fail to recall Broli ever destroying a Galaxy in one go.

In his FIRST movie at the very start.

Did Broly do it in one attack like Cell was going to? No, he was wiping planets out one at a time. In the span of many years.

Yes Broli destroyed a Galaxy in one shot. You see at the very start a Galaxy VANISHING in a moment!!!

It's never stated either way if Broly destroys it in one shot, we just see the galaxy slowly deteriorating at the start of the movie. It's implied by Goku's planetary travels in searching for him and Paragus's flashbacks that Broly destroys one planet at a time, never even blowing the place up.

No, the Galaxy was not "Slowly deteriorating" it showed a Galaxy vanishing in seconds!!! Saying that Broli blew up a galaxy from planet ot planet is non sense.

[Conan the SSJ]

No, the Galaxy was not "Slowly deteriorating" it showed a Galaxy vanishing in seconds!!! Saying that Broli blew up a galaxy from planet ot planet is non sense.

Goku teleported to a habitable planet in the South Galaxy when searching for Broly and New Vegeta's in the South Galaxy as well. If the entire galaxy was wiped from existence, how are these planets still up? So then, with that logic, isn't it safe to assume the galaxy being destroyed from Kaio's point of view at the beginning was more a figurative representation of the entire thing being lost? Because if it's all gone literally, it makes no sense for the planets mentioned above to still be up and about if the entire galaxy was gone. If it is, then that's a plot-hole in the movie's own continuity.

[Phenomenol]

Goku teleported to a habitable planet in the South Galaxy when searching for Broly and New Vegeta's in the South Galaxy as well. If the entire galaxy was wiped from existence, how are these planets still up? So then, with that logic, isn't it safe to assume the galaxy being destroyed from Kaio's point of view at the beginning was more a figurative representation of the entire thing being lost? Because if it's all gone literally, it makes no sense for the planets mentioned above to still be up and about if the entire galaxy was gone. If it is, then that's a plot-hole in the movie's own continuity.

What was SHOWN and STATED was a galaxy being demolished in seconds! King Kai who is Omniscient/Omnipresent said that the galaxy was destroyed.

A few worlds may have survived the after effects like you have said but I have to agree with you that it could be a mistake by the writers.

[Rocketman]

What was SHOWN and STATED was a galaxy being demolished in seconds!

Impossible.

[Kaboom]

What was SHOWN and STATED was a galaxy being demolished in seconds!

Impossible.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Entire galaxies don't get wiped out within seconds. Plus, in terms of the dialogue, I'm not sure what Toei was smoking when they made up the narrator or King Kai's lines. Nobody can simply destroy an entire galaxy so quickly and easily. Not even Buu could do it that fast. Even if SSj4 Goku were to teleport from planet to planet, blowing each one up in a matter of seconds before moving on to the next, it would take him years to wipe out an entire galaxy.

What was shown in that opening shot was a representation of Broli wrecking the place and wiping out it's life. It's not like he wasn't powerful enough to destroy planets instantly or anything (he destroys the little slave dudes' home planet right in front of them with a single ki ball), but it'd seem Broli was playing around and wrecking and demolishing planets instead, as he was a crazy, sadistic bastard back in Movie 8.

But back on the subject of Broli vs Cell, I'm still standing by pegging him as around Full Power Cell (my response to Duo earlier was from a lack of time). I don't see anything in the movie, in terms of relative power between the heroes or their physical design, to say that they were anything other than in their post-RoSaT states. Full Power Cell could have slapped everyone's non-SSj2 selves around no more or less earier than Broli did.

[Phenomenol]

Impossible.

This sounds like DENIAL!!!!

Go watch the movie.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Entire galaxies don't get wiped out within seconds. Plus, in terms of the dialogue, I'm not sure what Toei was smoking when they made up the narrator or King Kai's lines. Nobody can simply destroy an entire galaxy so quickly and easily. Not even Buu could do it that fast. Even if SSj4 Goku were to teleport from planet to planet, blowing each one up in a matter of seconds before moving on to the next, it would take him years to wipe out an entire galaxy.

Well this is anime and the writers can make their characters do WHATEVER they want, and what was shown was a Galaxy being vaporized in seconds!!!!!!

Regardless of what many of of you THINK, it happened.