Why did Mirai Vegeta stay around?

Jodaku · Post by **Jodaku** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:11 am

I’m of course referring to Vegeta from Mirai Trunks’ timeline who eventually got killed in the initial battle with the Androids, it’s one of those things that I’ve never understood, I mean we know why the present Vegeta stayed (Goku, Androids, training to be a SSJ etc.) although I do have a few theories as to why Mirai Vegeta did.

1. Vegeta was apparently “pure evil” (as to how he was able to become a SSJ) at the time, assuming his personality paralleled to that of his present counterpart. So even with Goku dead and a piece of him that will forever remain void (the piece which was wanting to prove himself to be better than Goku and to kill him) keeping in mind that he was still “pure evil” he would want to continue to strive to become a SSJ (if he hadn’t already at that point) and then either rule or destroy the Earth, and then take the Universe as his own, as he originally planned. However he only keeps quiet and peaceful so he can make use of the training facilities such as the gravity rooms/ships and just to basically bide his time, evaluating the situation and deciding on the best course of action to implement his plan. But then the Androids turn up and Vegeta seeing an opportunity to flex his new SSJ powers (not to fight for the Earth and/or Bulma and Trunks as some *fan-fic writers* would have you believe) goes into battle but is killed.

2. As implied at the end of the Cell saga, he loses the will to fight after Goku’s death, so it wouldn’t be totally wrong to assume that the same could happen here and that he just simply settles on Earth. However one of two things possibly snaps him out of it. He’s either isn’t a SSJ yet, and refocuses on that goal or with the appearance with the Androids, seeing a new challenge, his thrill for the fight returns to him and fights them.

3. And lastly and I don’t know why I’m putting this one down ‘cos I hate all of this B/V stuff set during this era, Vegeta stays around for Bulma’s and Trunks’ sake. To be honest though, I think this scenario is extremely unlikely since my personal view on the whole B/V thing is that on Vegeta’s part, there wasn’t any kind of deep emotional feeling there, not even the smallest hint, Bulma was simply there, who on the other hand, had growing feeling for him, offered it and he just took it, not caring about her afterwards or any of the consequences (i.e. Trunks), any feelings Vegeta had for Bulma didn’t come until after the Cell saga at the very least, not any earlier.

So what to y’all think?

James R. Cadwell · Post by **James R. Cadwell** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 5:42 am

1: The "pure evil" stuff never made much sense to me. Vegeta sure doesn't seem like he's anything approaching pure evil, even during the Saiya-jin and Freeza sagas. Besides, it seems like being pure evil would imply that the individual is irredeemable, regardless of what happens.

2: My thought is that Vegeta had nowhere else to go and train, so why not stay on Earth? There's also really no reason to upset the status quo by killing anyone or causing major destruction. I figure Vegeta probably went to Capsule Corporation after being invited by Bulma, inquired about getting access to a gravity chamber, then spent his time training, eating and sleeping. That's basically the perfect arrangement for a Saiya-jin, so he had no reason to do anything that might jeopardize his situation. IIRC, the first time we see Vegeta after the Freeza Saga, he's sitting around eating barbecue with Yamucha and Bulma -- so he obviously adjusted to his surroundings fairly well.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Thu Jun 24, 2004 11:56 am

My thoughts:

He's got nowhere to go, and he's fallen for Bulma who lives on Earth. On top of that, if he ever wants a challenging fight, the only person who'd be a REMOTE challenge to him is Piccolo, who also lives on Earth. Why go to the trouble of leaving when you have no reason to leave, and two small reasons to stay? Now throw in Trunks after 2 years.

Concerning how he went SSJ:

Normal Timeline: Damn it! At this rate I'll never be able to defeat the Super Saiyan! RRRAAAAARRRRGGHHH!!! Hey! I became a Super Saiyan!

Mirai Timeline: Damn it! With Kakarotto dead I'll never be able to defeat the Super Saiyan! RRRAAAAARRRRGGHHH!!! Hey! I became a Super Saiyan!

snen · Post by **snen** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:12 am

I'd go with DaySpring and James on this one. He has no reason to blow up Earth or leave. So he stays as he has training facilities, food, and he is learning to love Bulma.

oponok · Post by **oponok** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:06 am

I don't think he started to care about Bulma until after or right before the Cell games. Really. I don't think there was even a spot of good in him until he lost to Perfect Cell, frankly. His pride was really cut down, so he was forced to rethink about where he was in life. I think until that point, the only person whom he cared about was possibly Gohan, but he probably would've killed him, too if he pissed him off enough.

But I do agree with everyone else. Maybe since Goku wasn't around in the future timeline, he started to slightly care about Bulma, but I don't think his ego was hurt bad enough to make him more feeling or something akin to that.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:41 pm

oponok wrote:I don't think he started to care about Bulma until after or right before the Cell games.

Um... How would you explain Trunks?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:44 pm

B-kun wrote:
oponok wrote:I don't think he started to care about Bulma until after or right before the Cell games.
Um... How would you explain Trunks?

That was explained in the manga (concerning his birth): he took advantage of Bulma when she was lonely.

Concerning going nuts when Trunks died, Vegeta probably started caring about him after spending a year with him in the room of S+T.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:03 pm

Wasn't that technically 2 years?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:22 pm

14 months the first time, they apparently went in seperately the second time.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:15 pm

Dayspring wrote:That was explained in the manga (concerning his birth): he took advantage of Bulma when she was lonely.

Concerning going nuts when Trunks died, Vegeta probably started caring about him after spending a year with him in the room of S+T.

Didn't Vegeta ignore him that entire year? And why were they in for 14 months anyway? I thought that everyone was just repeating "one year in one day" repeatedly. Did Vegeta and Trunks grab another hour or so?

And how did the manga word that Vegeta "took advantage of" Bulma?

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:25 pm

Vegeta+Trunks stayed in an extra two months longer than they needed so that they could make sure they were stronger than #17+co. Then Veggie let Cell become perfect and it was all for nothing.

sailorspazz · Post by **sailorspazz** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:03 am

Concerning Trunks' conception, according to future Trunks' explanation, Bulma wasn't the lonely one, Vegeta was. Bulma was just angry at Yamcha. So, yeah, it was Bulma who took advantage of the lonely Vegeta....he must have felt so violated

snen · Post by **snen** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:53 am

sailorspazz wrote:Concerning Trunks' conception, according to future Trunks' explanation, Bulma wasn't the lonely one, Vegeta was. Bulma was just angry at Yamcha. So, yeah, it was Bulma who took advantage of the lonely Vegeta....he must have felt so violated

Oh, yes I'm sure he did XD

I can't remember the precise wording, but it was more that they both were lonely and Bulma saw how lonely ole Veggie was, and they got together

Oponok: I thought that perhaps Mirai Vegeta would have more time to hang around Bulma, what with the lack of Goku to beat n all. It's unlikely though.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:02 pm

sailorspazz wrote:Concerning Trunks' conception, according to future Trunks' explanation, Bulma wasn't the lonely one, Vegeta was. Bulma was just angry at Yamcha. So, yeah, it was Bulma who took advantage of the lonely Vegeta....he must have felt so violated

Who knows what is was like? Though from the way Vegeta was speaking of her when the androids arrived, it might have just been a booty call to him.

snen · Post by **snen** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:19 pm

I really wish they would make Vegeta say words like that in the show. That would just be too funny. Also, Piccolo should talk like a gangsta XD

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:13 pm

Vegeta did once describe himself as a "friggin' genius", if it's anyhelp.

And don't forget, we've already got a softly spoken Namekian healer who says "piss off". We've done pretty well for ourselves.

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