Slightly Zoomed in Footage

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:24 pm

Just a quick question: I know that FUNimation's releases are slightly zoomed in when comparing them to the Dragon Box footage, but I want to know if that's true throughout the entire series.

I'm asking since I vaguely remember a comparison shot between the FUNi and Dragon Box footage of the GT Opening where both were the same size, with neither slightly bigger than the other. And I guess this could make sense, since the GT footage isn't as old as the other footage. Also, if this is true, then does that mean that some of the later movies/specials that FUNi's released are also "un-zoomed" in?

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:47 pm

All I know is that Dragon Box footage shows a tiny bit more on top and left side. Nothing to really go nuts about. FUNimation is releasing footage on the sides that are a lot more than the Dragon Box. Yes that's a joke. Anyways, I think it is true for the whole series, but it's only noticeable when you compare them. You see a tiny difference.

DaemonCorps · Post by **DaemonCorps** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:59 pm

Actually, when I'm referring to FUNimation's footage, I'm talking about their 4:3 releases (none of this remastered widescreen nonsense).

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:03 pm

I know and that's what I said. There is a tiny bit more footage on the top and left side of the Dragon Box as opposed to FUNimation's 4:3 release. However, the Dragon Box (from what I've seen) is also "cleaned" of the dirt (which all you gotta do is turn down the sharpness on the TV

) and it looks like their coloring is tinted so that the skin looks pink. I only saw a few images online from the Dragon Box compared to the FUNimation release, so I may be wrong, but that's just how it was from what I've seen.

Vekurotto · Post by **Vekurotto** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 7:58 pm

I believe that the entire DBZ series was done that way same with all of the movies and TV specials. The movies I don't consider a problem but the whole TV series is zoomed in.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:10 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:However, the Dragon Box (from what I've seen) is also "cleaned" of the dirt (which all you gotta do is turn down the sharpness on the TV ) and it looks like their coloring is tinted so that the skin looks pink.

Wrong.

Toei went back and pulled the original master, which had been in cold storage since it was made. They telecined that footage, then Pony Canyon did digital cleanup of any print damage and realigned the frames digitally. This is why there is more picture, because previously zooming had been done to hide misaligned frames (just like many cel-based animes from that time period). This is something that was pointed out when the DragonBoxes came out, and is the answer to the original question.

And the tint and sharpness were not changed. Nor was the grain removed. That's how the animation teams intended the flesh tones to be, and on a properly calibrated display it actually looks excellent. The nature of 16mm film causes the grain, which you should be able to live with.

I only saw a few images online from the Dragon Box compared to the FUNimation release, so I may be wrong, but that's just how it was from what I've seen.

Okay, I'm confirming that you're wrong.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 12:50 am

Um okay well then their original footage is too dark. There's a picture somewhere else up in the Forum.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:00 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Um okay well then their original footage is too dark. There's a picture somewhere else up in the Forum.

Wrong again. Show me a picture or GTFO.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:27 am

Go to the "Season 4 Arrives ______" Thread and enjoy.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:28 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Go to the "Season 4 Arrives ______" Thread and enjoy.

No thanks, I actually own the Dragonboxes. Show me the picture that you're talking about.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:35 am

Fine, if I must

FUNimations' 4:3 Release

as compared to

FUNimations' Widescreen Release

as compared to

Dragon Box Release

Then we have

FUNimation's 4:3 Release

as compared to

Dragon Box Release

and then we have

FUNimations' 4:3 Release

as compared to

Dragon Box Release

The Dragon Box release is darker and has more tint which gives their skin a pink look. Again, that's as far as what I see, you're right, I don't actually own it, but judging from all the shots I see, that's just how it is.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:38 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:The Dragon Box release is darker and has more tint which gives their skin a pink look. Again, that's as far as what I see, you're right, I don't actually own it, but judging from all the shots I see, that's just how it is.

Ah...so, it couldn't be that FUNimation is the one who is messing with tint/contrast/color saturation. It must be Toei, the ones who MADE the show.

Moron >_>;;

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:06 am

Yeah that would be logical, except when you take into account that whenever you see Japanese footage of DBZ online, or pictures, or even in video games, their skin colors are not pink and their coloring looks pretty much the same as in the FUNimation release.

That's one thing. Another thing is...who are you calling a moron? Listen, don't get your panties in a bunch. Love it as much as you want, but you are calling someone a moron while debating about a cartoon. Get over it. You think I'm sitting here hitting my head against the desk going crazy? No, I'm just having a nice, polite debate. You won't see me using exclamation marks or calling anyone childish names just because they don't see eye-to-eye with me. All I am doing is projecting my opinion, which you can do the same. The reason why sometimes I repeat what I say is because for some people like you, it flies way over their heads and you either don't read, or don't understand what I am saying. Stop acting like a four year old whose favorite Power Ranger got insulted and calling people names. Congratulations, you know the word "moron". Why don't you expand your vocabulary a bit to include something smart in what you say?

That, or you can dress like Piccolo and fire a Special Bea...sorry, Makankosappou at me.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:14 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:Yeah that would be logical, except when you take into account that whenever you see Japanese footage of DBZ online, or pictures, or even in video games, their skin colors are not pink and their coloring looks pretty much the same as in the FUNimation release.

Or, you know, you could watch the original Fuji TV broadcasts or laser discs or VHS releases from Toei (which were made before the series was remastered, by FUNimation or Toei) and you'd see the colors on the DragonBoxes are exactly the same as the original animation. Jeez.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:19 am

"Oh gee," "OMG," "NOOOB," "WTFFFFFF"...relax okay? Calm down, take some deep breaths. All I'm saying is my entire life, whether I downloaded it from the internet (believe me, at one time I absolutely dreaded FUNimations' releases and watched the show online in Japanese before warming up to FUNimation), I have been exposed to DBZ basically in the same way as it was presented by FUNimation. I was shown the skin colors the way they were. I'm not going to buy the collection of the original VHS or anything, I'm good thanks. All I need is the show how I am used to it in both languages and leave me alone.

I can be like everyone else, get exposed to FUNimations' version, think I'm so smart by going back and watching the "original", then thinking I'm even smarter by going to the Manga rather than the Anime, and it's a long list of people always trying to make themselves feel more and more educated on the show. So now you're suggesting to go back and get old original tapes or something? No thanks. I just want the show how I know it. And believe me, I was one of the first people to think I'm so slick and smart because most people were exposed to DBZ in the US before switching over to the Japanese version and whatnot. Ever since the first time I saw DBZ (mind you, I watched it right when it first came out on fricken WB!), I researched it, found out it was of Japanese origin and watched those versions. Look, I don't know any less than you do about the show. But you're right, maybe...I don't know how the original cels looks. However, my entire life I was exposed to normal skin colors. Just look at the video games, they don't have pink skin or anything. So hey, you can have DBZ the way you want it, and I can have it the way I want it. So everyone's happy, right?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:37 am

TheGreatness25 wrote:But you're right, maybe...I don't know how the original cels looks.

Basically. I'm not trying to piss on you, I'm just saying it's foolish to say that you know something and then base it on wrong sources. Heck, you just gave the best source of verification: the cels themselves. I've seen a couple in my time, and guess what? DragonBox colors.

Look, enjoy the show. Just don't come on here and act like you reinvented the wheel and have a superiority complex. You'll get stomped more than likely.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:47 am

See this is what you don't understand. I don't come on here to prove anything. I project my opinion. Okay, maybe I throw a little bit of spice in the mix, giving FUNimation the benefit of the doubt. I mean I can't watch people totally disrespect them. I mean imagine you, as many people do, think you can do a better job. So you redub something. You sync it up. You clear out the Japanese music and make it the background track. You make your own site with a Forum to leave feedback...and some odd 200 people come on there and say, "you absolutely suck and you wasted your time." This does happen. People create fanfics, spending God knows how long making Sagas and typing it all down and drawing character designs and their site feedback is, "this is trash, this is garbage, just stop." I guess I'm a sympathetic person and I don't like to see people crapped on when they do a hard job, destroy their voices and many people working very hard, creating new music, working on an advertisement campaign, etc.

Here's the deal. Maybe the cels look in those colors, but in everything I've ever seen (again, just to make my point across), including original Japanese footage online, in pictures, etc, they've always looked the way they do with FUNimations' releases. Therefore, I think that is the definitive release. I'm not knocking the Dragon Box, it's great that they have the whole series in that mere collection and it is showing nearly all of the footage (not the side footage like in the Widescreen FUNimation releases, but then again, I doubt that was really meant to be seen), but I'd like to give FUNimation just a bit of credit. They are the reason why about 99% of the American fans know a damn thing about Dragon Ball Z. Also, I doubt they sat there and messed with the colors in the early 4:3 releases because they were...well...original. It had the dirt and grain on it that the film obviously HAD to have had because of how old the series was. The Batman: The Animated Series DVDs also have dirt and grain on them because it was made in 1992-1995. That just shows you that yes, DBZ obviously had the dirt and grain. Now, the colors might have been altered (although they look pretty right to me, I don't like pink skin) by a process of nature. Fading out plus dirt could vary quite a few things. I don't think FUNimation revised any of the film, but rather just synced up their dub voices and music to it.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:07 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:I don't think FUNimation revised any of the film, but rather just synced up their dub voices and music to it.

Except it's been proven that they applied edge enhancement and color saturation changes >_>;;

Just stop. And please, no more novel-sized replies. I don't care about your idealogy, I'm just contesting your claims.

-Corey

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:10 pm

Um okey dokey pokey. No offense, but you kind of make me laugh. I try to be nice and stray away from the "lets hurt each other's feelings" game, but you tend to steer right into it. Insecurity? Hey, I'm not Oprah. But you might want to tone down the bitterness because honestly, you're not one happy camper. Every post you make, you try to sound like the DBZ scientist over here. Hey, I understand Piccolo, lots of time on your hands?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:45 pm

TheGreatness25 wrote:Hey, I understand Piccolo, lots of time on your hands?

Whatever dude, you just have difficulty facing facts. I'm not the only one who is annoyed by your posts, they're rife with misinformation and they drone on for ages.

And by the way, you know my icon isn't actually me, right? >_>

-Corey