Kid Buu's Strength.

[James R. Cadwell]

Where is it stated or implied that Kid Buu is the strongest form of Buu? I have pages from a few different manga translations and couldn't find any relevant information besides this:

- It's stated that Kid Buu is the most dangerous/threatening/troublesome form of Majin Buu.

- It's stated that Goku doesn't want to fuse with Vegeta for the final battle. Goku says after this that Buu "can't combine with others, either".

[Spyderjsr]

I personally do not know but I always had my two cents on this topic. I agree with your statment that he is "the most dangerous/threatening/troublesome form of Majin Buu. "
But I look at it in a way of technique. I think Super Boo with Gohan was the strongest boo form. However having these new abilities and fighters gave Boo, cockiness, confidence and finesse in his fighting. He was restrained slightly in the aspect as he wanted to show off a little bit, shocase his skills and play mind games. Where as Kid Buu fought without restraint, and was savage about it. Best example would be him fighting SSJ Vegeta, numerous exclamation points on his moves that really weren't necessary because they would just be doing more damage and taking away from the fun of it all. But considering Kid Buu didn't really even talk, show off or show an above average level of confidence and just loved to hurt people as much as he could, that might be why he is considered the strongest form just cause he never lets up like the other forms did, simply to feed their egos.

[Deus ex Machina]

I quoted once a scene from the anime, but since it was "filler" you didn't seem very convinced. Logically, what else could "most dangerous/threatening/troublesome" mean than he was the strongest? A weak villian isn't very dangerous, threatening, or troublesome. Would you say those definitions could apply to just anyone regardless of how strong they were? (Emperor Pilaf?)

If Kid Boo was weaker than Super Boo, why would Kaioshin be ready to wet his pants when he witnessed him change back? If Kid Boo was really weaker than he would've been saying "Oh, he just changed back to normal. No big deal, now he's even weaker."

So why would Goku fight Kid Boo without hesitation, when he said that even together with Vegeta they probably couldn't beat Super Boo? (we'll never know for sure, since he never even TRIED) Short answer, Goku is retarded. He was dropped on his head as a kid, suffered brain damage, and is prone to doing incredibly stupid things all the time, regardless of the risk to himself and others. (Facing Freeza on Namek with no way back, sending his son to fight Cell, not beating Fat Boo when he had the chance, etc. etc.)

Besides, now that everything was "fair" (No one absorbed/fused), and the Earth was no longer in danger or any people to get in the way (since they were all DEAD), I'm sure it was just Goku's hunger for a challenge over rode what little brain he has.

Hm...come to think of it, I've been ranting and didn't provide you with any of the canonical evidence you were asking for (If there even IS any), but I think I make my point...but if I haven't, I'd like to mention a little detail that slipped my mind earlier.

At times, Fat and Super Boo somehow delve into greater powers than they are supposed to have, such as when Boo tore a whole in the Room of Spirit and Time, and when Super Boo lost his temper against Vegetto and almost destroyed the entire universe, and both times he had no clue how he had managed to do it. The source of power he was tapping into could only be the supressed evil strength of Kid Boo, who himself is completly out of control and without restraint.

[Fuujin]

I quoted once a scene from the anime, but since it was "filler" you didn't seem very convinced. Logically, what else could "most dangerous/threatening/troublesome" mean than he was the strongest? A weak villian isn't very dangerous, threatening, or troublesome. Would you say those definitions could apply to just anyone regardless of how strong they were? (Emperor Pilaf?)

Even a "puny" human without major power, armed only with a machine gun managed to do a lot of damage by awakening Super Buu.

If Kid Boo was weaker than Super Boo, why would Kaioshin be ready to wet his pants when he witnessed him change back? If Kid Boo was really weaker than he would've been saying "Oh, he just changed back to normal. No big deal, now he's even weaker."

Because Kaioshin is a sissy and wets his pants every 5 minutes.

So why would Goku fight Kid Boo without hesitation, when he said that even together with Vegeta they probably couldn't beat Super Boo? (we'll never know for sure, since he never even TRIED) Short answer, Goku is retarded. He was dropped on his head as a kid, suffered brain damage, and is prone to doing incredibly stupid things all the time, regardless of the risk to himself and others. (Facing Freeza on Namek with no way back, sending his son to fight Cell, not beating Fat Boo when he had the chance, etc. etc.)

And yet the same Goku was scared of ever Super Buu 1 and was willing to fuse to fight him. The defense rests.

[James R. Cadwell]

Logically, what else could "most dangerous/threatening/troublesome" mean than he was the strongest? A weak villian isn't very dangerous, threatening, or troublesome. Would you say those definitions could apply to just anyone regardless of how strong they were? (Emperor Pilaf?)

I think the scene where Kid Buu immediately destroys Earth illustrates why he's more dangerous than the other forms of Buu. Super Buu didn't do that even after he'd killed almost everyone on the planet.

If Kid Boo was weaker than Super Boo, why would Kaioshin be ready to wet his pants when he witnessed him change back? If Kid Boo was really weaker than he would've been saying "Oh, he just changed back to normal. No big deal, now he's even weaker."

I figured Kaioshin was concerned because Kid Buu was still out of Goku's league plus he was now completely unstable and even more dangerous than before. It's sort of like this:

Goku = ordinary human.

Super Buu = enormous gorilla.

Kid Buu = smaller, psychotic, enraged gorilla.

One gorilla is larger and stronger than the other, but the other is completely nuts and still stronger than a human.

At times, Fat and Super Boo somehow delve into greater powers than they are supposed to have, such as when Boo tore a whole in the Room of Spirit and Time, and when Super Boo lost his temper against Vegetto and almost destroyed the entire universe, and both times he had no clue how he had managed to do it. The source of power he was tapping into could only be the supressed evil strength of Kid Boo, who himself is completly out of control and without restraint.

That's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure if it makes perfect sense. SSJ3 Gotenks could also shatter dimensional barriers, and he certainly wasn't tapping into Kid Buu's power. I also doubt that Super Buu was somehow releasing Kid Buu's strength when he started tearing the universe apart, since Kid Buu himself wasn't able to do anything like that.

[Xyex]

I quoted once a scene from the anime, but since it was "filler" you didn't seem very convinced. Logically, what else could "most dangerous/threatening/troublesome" mean than he was the strongest? A weak villian isn't very dangerous, threatening, or troublesome. Would you say those definitions could apply to just anyone regardless of how strong they were? (Emperor Pilaf?)

If Kid Boo was weaker than Super Boo, why would Kaioshin be ready to wet his pants when he witnessed him change back? If Kid Boo was really weaker than he would've been saying "Oh, he just changed back to normal. No big deal, now he's even weaker."

So why would Goku fight Kid Boo without hesitation, when he said that even together with Vegeta they probably couldn't beat Super Boo? (we'll never know for sure, since he never even TRIED) Short answer, Goku is retarded. He was dropped on his head as a kid, suffered brain damage, and is prone to doing incredibly stupid things all the time, regardless of the risk to himself and others. (Facing Freeza on Namek with no way back, sending his son to fight Cell, not beating Fat Boo when he had the chance, etc. etc.)

Besides, now that everything was "fair" (No one absorbed/fused), and the Earth was no longer in danger or any people to get in the way (since they were all DEAD), I'm sure it was just Goku's hunger for a challenge over rode what little brain he has.

Hm...come to think of it, I've been ranting and didn't provide you with any of the canonical evidence you were asking for (If there even IS any), but I think I make my point...but if I haven't, I'd like to mention a little detail that slipped my mind earlier.

At times, Fat and Super Boo somehow delve into greater powers than they are supposed to have, such as when Boo tore a whole in the Room of Spirit and Time, and when Super Boo lost his temper against Vegetto and almost destroyed the entire universe, and both times he had no clue how he had managed to do it. The source of power he was tapping into could only be the supressed evil strength of Kid Boo, who himself is completly out of control and without restraint.

I'm sorry but, even though Kid Buu is my favorite all time villian of the series, he can't be stronger than the other Buu's with the exception of Fat Buu and Mr. Buu.

Goku states the Gotenks is stronger than him. That's why the the Kid Buu > All other Buu's is impossible. Because if SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than FP SSJ3 Goku, and Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Buu2 is stronger than Mystic Gohan, than SSJ3 Goku can't be stronger. Kid Buu was created so that Goku could win the final battle, if he truly was stronger than the Super Buu's (which would be required for the Kid Buu = Strongest Buu) then Toriyama wouldn't have needed Vegetto, let alone Kid Buu.

As for the troublesome/dangerous part... well, look at Super Buu. Yeah, he eventually killed everyone on the planet, but he took his time, he fought with people, he toyed around. What did Kid Buu do? The instant he was back he blew up the Earth. Then he went looking for Goku and Vegeta blowing up several planets with no regard for anything. He blew himself up several times just because.

What Kaioshin was saying wasn't that Kid Buu is the strongest, just that he doesn't hold back anything, that he dosen't care about anything, that he exists only to destroy. Kid Buu has no real intelect like the other Buu's and knows only destruction.

Tell me, what's more dangerous? A guy cappable of killing you in a single blow or a nerd that can't lift fifty pounds but willing to blow himself up to kill hunderds?

[TripleRach]

I quoted once a scene from the anime, but since it was "filler" you didn't seem very convinced. Logically, what else could "most dangerous/threatening/troublesome" mean than he was the strongest? A weak villian isn't very dangerous, threatening, or troublesome. Would you say those definitions could apply to just anyone regardless of how strong they were? (Emperor Pilaf?)

Like everyone else has said, Kid Buu was the most dangerous because he was pretty much insane. He destroyed the planet almost immediately, while the other Buus did no such thing. In fact, he doesn't even speak, so his mind is probably more like that of a wild animal.

Also, Pilaf was pretty dangerous in his own right! Everyone would've died in his castle at the beginning of the series if there hadn't been a full moon. Not to mention that he freed Piccolo, which also caused quite a bit of trouble...

[Deus ex Machina]

And yet the same Goku was scared of ever Super Buu 1 and was willing to fuse to fight him. The defense rests.

That's still a weak argument; Goku was never scared of Boo, he just didn't think he could beat him. He probably didn't think he could beat Kid Boo, forget all that "Full power SSJ3" crap.

That's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure if it makes perfect sense. SSJ3 Gotenks could also shatter dimensional barriers, and he certainly wasn't tapping into Kid Buu's power. I also doubt that Super Buu was somehow releasing Kid Buu's strength when he started tearing the universe apart, since Kid Buu himself wasn't able to do anything like that.

Yes, Gotenks was able to shatter the dimensions after transforming into SSJ3, but I believe Super Boo wasn't normally capable of doing this feat, but his anger caused him to tap into Kid Boo's power (which at this time is still being limited severely by the Grand Kaioshin) Once again when Super Boo begins destroying the universe, Vegetto comments "So you CAN use impressive Ki when you feel like it" (or something to this effect), however Boo had no idea HOW he had done it. To me, if Vegetto thought his power had suddenly sky rocketed in that instant, then Kid Boo's power has to be greater. BTW, I liked your gorilla example.

*pictures kid boo as a Gorilla*

Goku states the Gotenks is stronger than him. That's why the the Kid Buu > All other Buu's is impossible. Because if SSJ3 Gotenks is stronger than FP SSJ3 Goku, and Mystic Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, and Super Buu2 is stronger than Mystic Gohan, than SSJ3 Goku can't be stronger.

Once again, where is it ever stated that Goku was weaker than Gotenks?
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[oponok]

I used this argument in another thread, but what the hell...

"Goku never really states it, actually. HOWEVER, when Goku fought Fat Buu, remember that Goku says that Vegeta could do nothing against him, so he must use SSJ3. This would imply that Vegeta and Goku are about equal in SSJ2 (which seems to be the truth throughout). HOWEVER, I may be wrong, but wasn't Gotenks fighting Super Buu at SSJ1? Recall Super Buu is MUCH stonger than Fat Buu, who would've killed SSJ2 Goku or Vegeta. This would imply that he's MUCH stronger than Goku and Vegeta, no matter what Goku may say, later on."

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but my memory is a smidge hazy at the Gotenks part, since I don't really like him or Super Buu... or anything else after besides Vegeta's scenes and Vegetto, for that matter.

Yes, Gotenks was able to shatter the dimensions after transforming into SSJ3, but I believe Super Boo wasn't normally capable of doing this feat, but his anger caused him to tap into Kid Boo's power (which at this time is still being limited severely by the Grand Kaioshin) .

Well, keep in mind Majin Buu is a demon, not a true martial artist who has trained to properly harness his abilities. Gohan as a kid had experienced rage-induced power-ups, but that was his own power. He simply had not been trained to use it, then. Buu's a six-foot piece of Play-Doh with supreme power; he doesn't have the control over his power that he should since he's never needed to train to become better than anyone, because all he's ever needed to do is throw around a little of his power.