The biggest Ocean dub crime?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:45 pm

This goes for both Dragonball and Dragonball Z. particular comes to my mind.I'll mostly talk about the dragonball dub though. Let's review:

- Original music. In dragonball I didn't mind the music itself, but the fact that there was practically no silence bothered me. Z, on the other hand, bugs me; for the most part I can't stand Shuki Levy's music.

- The voices. The grunts for Ocean little Goku were absolutely terrible. However, a lot of the voices themselves fit; Bulma comes to mind for me. Her "bleeper" (dragon radar, yes that really *is* what they named it) bugged me though.

- Sped up animation. The worst crime in my opinion. It looks like the "Z0MFGSUPERFASTPAN" kind of crap that ruined great shows like s-CRY-ed for me. Quite common in the first dragonball dub.

- Edits. Most are well done, except for the repainting. Many of them don't truly retract from the main story, although they are annoying.

If anyone else can think of something, feel free to add and give your own opinion.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:59 am

Um, that it indirectly spawned that "Over 9000!" meme years and years after Ocean had left?

And I do kinda blame Ocean for making me initially think Freeza was a woman, but that's about it.

However, I find it hilarious that Ocean Raditz's VA is now Randy Disher on MONK. I was shocked when I found out.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:25 am

Truth be told, I really really liked the Ocean dub. The voices...heck the music. Looking back at it, the music did not fit and was not exciting at all, but they were the ones to put up "Rock the Dragon" and for that, they're good lol Now... When I saw the Ocean dub during the Android/Cell/Buu Sagas... Hol-e-shitz! The voices may be good, but when they're backed up by the worst music in cartoon history, it just makes me cringe thinking about it. Their opener turned into pure garbage (FUNimation probably owns "Rock the Dragon" since they used it on their Ginyu/Frieza DVDs, as well as a nice full version on Budokai 1). All of their music is terrible. I mean if you thought FUNimation's was bad, you gotta hear this garbage. And it's always fast. Vegeta knocking out Trunks and Goten to go fight Buu, which is an emotional moment...yeah well the music is fast in the Ocean dub's. Holy hell.

Still, bad as it may be, I still like their voices, and although I don't want to disrespect FUNimation's voice actors, I think Scott McNeil makes an amazing Piccolo, and Brian Drummond is just...a different Vegeta. So I think we should petition that they put the UK Ocean dub on the next Season Sets. We missed the boat with Season 4, but hey, they didn't do the Frieza Saga, so if they add it in Season 5, we wouldn't be missing much. But of course that would never happen. Just to be clear, what I just said has nothing to do with how good they are, but simply to do with this blast from the past feeling I get whenever I hear the Ocean dub.

I'm surprised that nobody jumped on the fact that they made Goku's daddy seem like Saiyan Einstein, which comes up every time someone complains about the dub. But they have to remember, whole different dub lol

Post by **VegettoEX** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:46 am

Errm... just to make sure everyone's on the same boat...

1996-1998 dub with the Ocean cast and music by Shuki Levy was still done by FUNimation. We all know this, right?

Carry on!

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:46 am

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:31 pm

I understand Kunzait's position, though I have a different perspective. On the one hand, It as that first attempt at the Pilaf saga that got me into the series. So to me, Z was a disappointment. I knew a small fraction of the characters. The music was entirely different. It was blatantly obvious that something had been swept under the rug. I didn't realize just how many seasons of TV they had chucked in the garbage can in order to make things "marketable" at the time, but you could tell something was rotten in Denmark. As far as comparing to the original, it wasn't until the show's hiatus that I got into the original. A friend of mine had tape from a trip to NYC with movies 7,8,11, and 12, as well as span of eps going from Vegeta's fight with 19 to his fight with 18. I know this is about the pre-relaunch, but my least favorite scene is probably Vegeta's Big Bang Attack in the dub being changed into a "going away present."
So that, actually, is my answer concerning the Saban days. I understand content edits. Even general localization. But pointless edits and stupid edits annoy me. They make me feel like I'm being lied to, like my intelligence is being insulted. Bardock is not a scientist, and the story was in no way served by saying he was. If they thought the explanation of the Ozaru was too complicated, there are ways to write around it without blatantly lying about story canon. Stupid edits- Insinuating that the area Nappa blew up was uninhabited, when people had been standing around the crash site seconds before the blast. Thank Kami all of the people in that city happened to be masters of Shunkan Idou! And no, Tien. You can't see any parachutes. They are not ok.

Haseowolf · Post by **Haseowolf** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:51 pm

I would have to say going to Kirby Morrow instead of keeping Peter Kelamis as Goku. I really liked that guy.

All other things I can think of have been said

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:08 pm

Ahh the Saban days. Kinda funny when you compare DBZ which was heavily censored, to them doing Digimon Tamers a few years later which was barely censored at all save for buildings blowing up.

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:16 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Ahh the Saban days. Kinda funny when you compare DBZ which was heavily censored, to them doing Digimon Tamers a few years later which was barely censored at all save for buildings blowing up.

The whole americanized Digimon sucks. The original Japanese is the way to go, Saban ruined it here.

But to keep on topic. The Ocean dub of Dragon Ball is far worse than DBZ. I mean common, "Bleeper"? That's ridiculous.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:29 pm

Tried watching the Japanese version. Didn't like it too much. And Season 1 theme is a classic.

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:32 pm

Super Sonic wrote:Tried watching the Japanese version. Didn't like it too much. And Season 1 theme is a classic.

Yeah the English theme is classic, but I think (as with any other anime) if you watch the Japanese version before the english, it always easier

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:40 pm

Thought it was kind of weird that the old dub could show Little Chi Chi decapitate a dinosaur with the bood spurting, but couldn't show Yamcha konk her on the head. Funi redub showed it.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:11 pm

I still think that the sped-up animation is the worst. I wish I had a clip for you guys...

disturbed001 · Post by **disturbed001** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:17 pm

bkev wrote:I still think that the sped-up animation is the worst. I wish I had a clip for you guys...

If you can find one, please post it, because I would like to see.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:40 pm

disturbed001 wrote:
bkev wrote:I still think that the sped-up animation is the worst. I wish I had a clip for you guys...
If you can find one, please post it, because I would like to see.

Yeah. I'm not exactly sure what you mean. Is it like in the "Rock the dragon" intro, when Gohan is running on the mountain along side shenlong, and it seems sped up?

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:43 pm

Plenty of shots, I assure you. Bulma on her motorcycle (the original DB, not Z here), that panning shot of Goku when he goes insane on Vegeta, etc. Those shots were sped up. I have no idea how to rip, so let's hope someone here does and has the sets.

Kid Trunks · Post by **Kid Trunks** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:47 pm

True. That whole into was a mess. Not to mention the fact that it featured super Saiyans, even though it was attached to the Saiyan Saga.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:51 pm

Did think it was cool the way the end of it was with Goku floating down and turning Super Saiyan as soon as the dragon ball went in for the "o". Though did confuse me with Trunks and not recognizing Yamcha with the short hair.

bkev · Post by **bkev** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:56 pm

Kid Trunks wrote:True. That whole into was a mess. Not to mention the fact that it featured super Saiyans, even though it was attached to the Saiyan Saga.

Well, it's not just Rock the Dragon. but that's a perfect example.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCHSN2y9k_g < -- about 6:47 into the video it's sped up. That's what I'm talking about.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:58 pm