SSJ Gogeta vs. SSJ3 Gotenks

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:21 pm

Who do you think wins in this battle?

On the FUNimation forum there has a been a debate about this and I think that SSJ3 Gotenks>>SSJ Gogeta gotenks is 1,1x stronger than Gogeta in my opinion.

So what do you people think?

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:28 pm

There is very rarely productive conversation that comes out of basic "versus" threads, and as such, they are very promptly closed. As with other threads of this type, I will keep a close eye on it, and will not hesitate to close it if degenerates into nothingness.

(I realize I'm quoting this from another thread, but it's relevant.) While there's no actual rule against it, per se, I personally frown upon the expression of actual sentences as little more than algebraic equations. We really do ask that people put some actual content into their posts and responses, and it just doesn't seem like there's much effort in [character/technique] [relation] [character/technique].

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:31 pm

Um, Gogeta.

People are actually thinking otherwise? Huh? O_o

All minutia aside, Vegetto and Gogeta are pretty much the same person. They're made from the same two people, essentially combined in the same way, just slightly different means and levels of permanency. There's really no firm evidence that either is more powerful than the other. If you wanna argue for or against that, I'm pretty sure there's another thread with that topic at the moment.

SSj Vegetto soundly and effortlessly spanked Gohan-Buu, who was capable of easily squashing Gotenks, SSj3 or no SSj3. SSj Gogeta could do the same, and just as easily.

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:42 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:Um, Gogeta.

People are actually thinking otherwise? Huh? O_o

All minutia aside, Vegetto and Gogeta are pretty much the same person. They're made from the same two people, essentially combined in the same way, just slightly different means and levels of permanency. There's really no firm evidence that either is more powerful than the other. If you wanna argue for or against that, I'm pretty sure there's another thread with that topic at the moment.

SSj Vegetto soundly and effortlessly spanked Gohan-Buu, who was capable of easily squashing Gotenks, SSj3 or no SSj3. SSj Gogeta could do the same, and just as easily.

Wrong. SSJ Vegito>>SSJ Gogeta. The Potara fusion is much stronger than the fusion dance, and (while) SSJ Vegito and Gogeta may be the same person, the Potara fusion is stronger. Now, SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu in my opinion and SSJ Gogeta>>>Super Janemba, right? Then we have Super Buu>Super Janemba by probably being 1,2x stronger than Super Janemba. So then, probably SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta by a little bit.

Vegeta Jr · Post by **Vegeta Jr** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:44 pm

vicdmx wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Um, Gogeta.

People are actually thinking otherwise? Huh? O_o

All minutia aside, Vegetto and Gogeta are pretty much the same person. They're made from the same two people, essentially combined in the same way, just slightly different means and levels of permanency. There's really no firm evidence that either is more powerful than the other. If you wanna argue for or against that, I'm pretty sure there's another thread with that topic at the moment.

SSj Vegetto soundly and effortlessly spanked Gohan-Buu, who was capable of easily squashing Gotenks, SSj3 or no SSj3. SSj Gogeta could do the same, and just as easily.
Wrong SSJ Vegito>>SSJ Gogeta the portra fusion is much stronger than the fusion dance and ssj vegito and gogeta may be the same person but the portra fusion is stronger now SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu in my opinion and SSJ Gogeta>>>Super Janemba right? but then we have Super Buu>Super Janemba by probably being 1,2x stronger than Super Janemba
so then probably SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta by a little bit.

It is never said that Potara is stronger than the Fusion dance, only that it is superior because it lasts forever.

Also learn to use grammar before you get edited.

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 3:50 pm

Vegeta Jr wrote:
vicdmx wrote:
SSj Kaboom wrote:Um, Gogeta.

People are actually thinking otherwise? Huh? O_o

All minutia aside, Vegetto and Gogeta are pretty much the same person. They're made from the same two people, essentially combined in the same way, just slightly different means and levels of permanency. There's really no firm evidence that either is more powerful than the other. If you wanna argue for or against that, I'm pretty sure there's another thread with that topic at the moment.

SSj Vegetto soundly and effortlessly spanked Gohan-Buu, who was capable of easily squashing Gotenks, SSj3 or no SSj3. SSj Gogeta could do the same, and just as easily.
Wrong SSJ Vegito>>SSJ Gogeta the portra fusion is much stronger than the fusion dance and ssj vegito and gogeta may be the same person but the portra fusion is stronger now SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu in my opinion and SSJ Gogeta>>>Super Janemba right? but then we have Super Buu>Super Janemba by probably being 1,2x stronger than Super Janemba
so then probably SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta by a little bit.
It is never said that Potara is stronger than the Fusion dance, only that it is superior because it lasts forever.

Also learn to use grammar before you get edited.

Yeah sure.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:00 pm

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vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:03 pm

VegettoEX wrote:I will again remind our members that you are not expected to play moderator. Thanks!

Furthermore... please remember that, yes, you are expected to type properly on this forum. You agreed to do so via the forum rules prior to registration. Thanks!

Yes, that is correct.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 4:13 pm

vicdmx wrote: Wrong SSJ Vegito>>SSJ Gogeta the portra fusion is much stronger than the fusion dance and ssj vegito and gogeta may be the same person but the portra fusion is stronger now SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu in my opinion and SSJ Gogeta>>>Super Janemba right? but then we have Super Buu>Super Janemba by probably being 1,2x stronger than Super Janemba
so then probably SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta by a little bit.

I'll... try to decipher that as best I can.

Vegeta Jr already mentioned... there's no evidence that Potara yields a "stronger" Fusion than the Dance does. All Old Kaio says is that this version of Fusion is "better." That could mean any of all sorts of things. Namely, the Potara method is better in a few ways because it 1) Has no time limit (though at the same time that's kind of a bad thing), 2) Is far easier to do, and 3) is probably free of the restrictions on age, size, and power that the Dance is. But there's nothing to suggest that the produced Fusion is stronger. None whatsoever.

As for which villain they each faced, that's not really helpful either. Janemba easily smacked Goku around, but then was completely helpless against Gogeta. Buu could have easily smacked around Goku and Vegeta (and in the anime, he actually did!), but then was completely helpless against Vegetto. Each lost just as easily as the other, so comparing them is of no help.

You could potentially argue that one might be slightly more powerful than the other, but the point still stands that they're both at about the same level of power. They're the combination of the same two "ingredients," after all, and they're each leagues above anyone else at that point. Gogeta would definitely dominate Gohan-Buu JUST as easily as Vegetto. Gotenks is hella strong, but he's still small-fry compared to Gogeta OR Vegetto.

Anonymous Friend · Post by **Anonymous Friend** » Fri Apr 25, 2008 5:24 pm

At first glance I'd say that a SSJ3 has more power than a normal SSJ. But if you take into consideration the combatants, I'd say that Gogeta/Vegeto could possibly defeat Gotenks in the super saiyan three form. Even though the series pretty fell into whoever had the most power wins, if you don't take things seriously enough the tide can turn. This is how Majin Buu ended up defeating opponents who supposedly were stronger than himself by obsorbing them.

USSJed · Post by **USSJed** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:35 am

Goku and Vegeta are much stronger than Goten and Trunks. MUCH stronger. Unless there is something like "Oh Goten and Trunks have magical powers so when they fuse its way better" arguement I cannot see how Gotenks could be superior to Vegetto/Gogeta at all.

The power levels guy on youtube actually puts base Vegetto much higher than SSJ3 Gotenks, which isn't exactly proof but many people consider his levels to be the truth. Just thought it deserved mention.

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:01 am

SSj Kaboom wrote:
vicdmx wrote: Wrong SSJ Vegito>>SSJ Gogeta the portra fusion is much stronger than the fusion dance and ssj vegito and gogeta may be the same person but the portra fusion is stronger now SSJ3 Gotenks>Super Buu in my opinion and SSJ Gogeta>>>Super Janemba right? but then we have Super Buu>Super Janemba by probably being 1,2x stronger than Super Janemba
so then probably SSJ3 Gotenks>SSJ Gogeta by a little bit.
I'll... try to decipher that as best I can.

Vegeta Jr already mentioned... there's no evidence that Potara yields a "stronger" Fusion than the Dance does. All Old Kaio says is that this version of Fusion is "better." That could mean any of all sorts of things. Namely, the Potara method is better in a few ways because it 1) Has no time limit (though at the same time that's kind of a bad thing), 2) Is far easier to do, and 3) is probably free of the restrictions on age, size, and power that the Dance is. But there's nothi

Bng to suggest that the produced Fusion is stronger. None whatsoever.

As for which villain they each faced, that's not really helpful either. Janemba easily smacked Goku around, but then was completely helpless against Gogeta. Buu could have easily smacked around Goku and Vegeta (and in the anime, he actually did!), but then was completely helpless against Vegetto. Each lost just as easily as the other, so comparing them is of no help.

You could potentially argue that one might be slightly more powerful than the other, but the point still stands that they're both at about the same level of power. They're the combination of the same two "ingredients," after all, and they're each leagues above anyone else at that point. Gogeta would definitely dominate Gohan-Buu JUST as easily as Vegetto. Gotenks is hella strong, but he's still small-fry compared to Gogeta OR Vegetto.

No, Gogeta would not dominate Gohan-Buu! He would defeat him but own or dominate. (I think? Is this the end of the sentence?) I don´t think. So yes, (another one where I have no idea what's being said) and another thing that is quite important is that Gogeta has more fighting skills and more experience and we have to also say that Gotenks is cocky.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:42 am

So now you're flat out denying things? Anyway, let's look at it this way: Vegetto is probably only slightly stronger than Gogeta, but they're around the same level. Mystic Gohan was obviously stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, and then SSJ3 Gotenks Buu smacked Gohan around, because it was his strength combined with SSJ3. Then, the fusion expired, and Buu was stuck with Piccolo's strength and base Goten and Trunks, which was still strong anyway. However, he absorbs Gohan, presumably restoring the SSJ3 power and making him stronger than ever. But then SSJ Vegetto came in and completely owned Buu, and even Base Vegetto in the anime had no trouble with Gohan Buu, and since Vegetto most likely had the same level of strength as Gogeta, then yes, SSJ Gogeta>>>SSJ3 Gotenks.

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece · Post by **Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece** » Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:31 pm

If Gotenks felt the need to actually try, he could probably destroy Vegetto or Gogeta...

But seeing as he wouldn't, he'd trip down the stairs over and over and over again, or atleast that's what Vegetto would tell Chima (Bulchi? Eh, whatever).

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:45 am

The best that I can contribute is this- what little of a Janenba/Buu comparison one could make.

Goku, SSJ3, dead (therefore with unrestricted access to his full power) is pretty much dominated by Janenba. And since Goku states that he could have taken out Fat Buu at SSJ3, and since he goes even with Kid Buu while alive in SSJ3 (and therefore losing power the whole time), we can say that Janenba is somewhere in the realm of Super Buu. Whether that is base Super Buu or one of the fused ones... we really can't know.

However, we do know that Gotenks is a little stronger than base Super Buu. And we know that Gogeta is ridiculously more powerful than Janenba.

To sum up-
If we rate Janenba as being somewhere in the range of base Super Buu, then Gogeta is the superior fighter when compared to Gotenks. Gotenks was superior to Super Buu but still had trouble. Also, because he has to be SSJ3 (as opposed to SSJ1) to achieve that level of power, he will run out of ki faster and risk defusion. And, theoretically, Gogeta could go SSJ3 (or at least has the potential to) if the shit really did somehow hit the fan.

vicdmx · Post by **vicdmx** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:08 am

Onikage725 wrote:The best that I can contribute is this- what little of a Janenba/Buu comparison one could make.

Goku, SSJ3, dead (therefore with unrestricted access to his full power) is pretty much dominated by Janenba. And since Goku states that he could have taken out Fat Buu at SSJ3, and since he goes even with Kid Buu while alive in SSJ3 (and therefore losing power the whole time), we can say that Janenba is somewhere in the realm of Super Buu. Whether that is base Super Buu or one of the fused ones... we really can't know.

However, we do know that Gotenks is a little stronger than base Super Buu. And we know that Gogeta is ridiculously more powerful than Janenba.

To sum up-
If we rate Janenba as being somewhere in the range of base Super Buu, then Gogeta is the superior fighter when compared to Gotenks. Gotenks was superior to Super Buu but still had trouble. Also, because he has to be SSJ3 (as opposed to SSJ1) to achieve that level of power, he will run out of ki faster and risk defusion. And, theoretically, Gogeta could go SSJ3 (or at least has the potential to) if the shit really did somehow hit the fan.

Or he could turn into a SSJ2.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:58 am

Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:If Gotenks felt the need to actually try, he could probably destroy Vegetto or Gogeta...

I fail to see where this logic stems from.

Onikage725 · Post by **Onikage725** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:20 pm

Rory wrote:
Supa Saiya-Jin Tullece wrote:If Gotenks felt the need to actually try, he could probably destroy Vegetto or Gogeta...
I fail to see where this logic stems from.

RPG's. It's all in the dice.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 12:31 pm

There shouldn't even be an argument here. It's pretty obvious just how much more insanely powerful than anyone and everything else Gogeta and Vegetto are.

When fighting Vegetto, not only was Buu a lot stronger than SSj3 Gotenks and fighting a lot more seriously than Gotenks did, but he was also using a lot of the same tricks and tactics as Gotenks, even the same moves. Essentially, Vegetto was fighting a more powerful AND determined Gotenks, with regenerative powers to boot.

But Vegetto brushed off anything this obscenely powerful Buu could dish out and incredibly easily dominated him, and using only SSj1. To channel Rocketman for a moment, Vegetto is a freakin' god, and even if there are any slight differences between them, Gogeta is every bit as mighty.

While he's pretty darn strong too, Gotenks at any level doesn't stand a kamikaze ghost of a chance against either Gogeta or Vegetto. Regardless of fusion time, technique, and similar factors, he's just plain nowhere near their level in power to be any threat.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Apr 27, 2008 1:31 pm

SSj Kaboom wrote:But Vegetto brushed off anything this obscenely powerful Buu could dish out and incredibly easily dominated him, and using only SSj1. To channel Rocketman for a moment, Vegetto is a freakin' god, and even if there are any slight differences between them, Gogeta is every bit as mighty.

Don't forget Vegetto mocking Buu for using techniques "a child thought up".

There's nothing Gotenks could do against a fusion of Goku and Vegeta, and I'm honestly surprised this is even an issue.