A Very Minor Future Trunks Timeline Question

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:13 pm

As we all know, the threat of the Artificial Humans led to the Z Fighters training for their arrival after they were informed by Future Trunks. Because of this, the Z Fighters did not enter the 24th Tenkaichi Budokai, allowing the hero of the world, Mr. Satan to win.

However, does this mean that in Future Trunks' timeline, some, or all, of the Z Fighters entered the 24th tournament? If so, who do you think won?

I'll say Mister Satan again. Just because.

SSJToreto · Post by **SSJToreto** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:34 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:If so, who do you think won?

I'll say Mister Satan again. Just because.

right.

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:36 pm

I'd assume that Vegeta was off training in some remote corner of the solar system and Goku decided not to enter since there would be no good competition for him.

And I'm sure that Gohan would have opted to hang out with his dad than fight again.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 8:37 pm

The 24th Budokai happened after Cell in the main timeline.

caejones · Post by **caejones** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:03 pm

Hm. Assuming the budokai happened before wide-spread destruction and death...
... before or after Goku died of a heart disease?
(Hm. When exactly did the 24th budokai take place?

).
(And was the Buu saga dub correct in suggesting that Videl won the Junior edition of said tournament?)

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:06 pm

Rocketman wrote:The 24th Budokai happened after Cell in the main timeline.

The relevant Daizenshuu states it happened on May 7th, five days before the first appearance of the Artificial Humans. Where does it happened after Cell in the manga (which I assume is your source)?

(And was the Buu saga dub correct in suggesting that Videl won the Junior edition of said tournament?)

Yes, it was. It also makes her the inaugural Junior Tournament champion.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:16 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:The relevant Daizenshuu states it happened on May 7th, five days before the first appearance of the Artificial Humans. Where does it happened after Cell in the manga (which I assume is your source)

Cell: (to Trunks, after Trunks fails) You may not have heard of it, but there used to be a martial arts tournament called "Strongest Under the Heavens". I'm going to recreate it.

An odd thing to say if there was one just a week earlier.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:18 pm

Cell is a native of the far-flung future (well, far enough), along with Future Trunks. To both of them, the last tournament would have been quite a while ago indeed, what the Artificial Human rampage breaking down society there.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:21 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:Cell is a native of the far-flung future (well, far enough), along with Future Trunks. To both of them, the last tournament would have been quite a while ago indeed, what the Artificial Human rampage breaking down society there.

If he knows about the World Tournament at all, then he'd know when the last one was held.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:25 pm

Rocketman wrote:If he knows about the World Tournament at all, then he'd know when the last one was held.

Trunks may not have known about it all, naturally, being raised by a scientist mother in a futuristic hellhole. And even if he did, I am not sure Cell is privy to the thoughts and knowledge of Future Trunks as regards historical martial arts competitions, hence the qualifier "may".

As for Cell, just because he didn't break out his trivia by listing the date, doesn't mean that he is unaware that from the perspective of the timeline he recently arrived in, it was several days ago.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:59 pm

Sprite Satan wrote:As for Cell, just because he didn't break out his trivia by listing the date, doesn't mean that he is unaware that from the perspective of the timeline he recently arrived in, it was several days ago.

But he wouldn't have to recreate it if it happened a week ago.

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:02 pm

Again, he is talking as a native of the future and talking to a native of the future to boot. Even if he's in the past now, to him it last happened almost 20 years ago. To Cell, the Future Trunks future is his factual past.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:03 am

Sprite Satan wrote:Again, he is talking as a native of the future and talking to a native of the future to boot. Even if he's in the past now, to him it last happened almost 20 years ago. To Cell, the Future Trunks future is his factual past.

Point is, Cell's contradicting a statement from the Daizenshuu, while Cell himself is never contradicted by anything onscreen. And as we know, onscreen material or on-panel material is superior canon to the Daizenshuu. I think Roshi also talks of it in the anime in a distant past tense. Therefore, Rocketman wins here in my opinion. I've always viewed Mr. Satan's "world champion" status pre-Cell Games like a DBZ counterpart to that Union Cane character in Rocky V; both becomes the champions "of the world" by being popular, without properly winning the title or defeating the prior champ (Goku, Rocky) in combat.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:08 am

But then you have to fit in Videl's status as previous junior champion.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:15 am

There are two other major tournaments. Panpoot won them before he entered the 22nd Budokai.

Thanos6 · Post by **Thanos6** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:17 am

Right, but why would that one of those tournaments be counted as "the previous winner of the junior division" for THIS tournament?

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 2:26 am

Thanos6 wrote:Right, but why would that one of those tournaments be counted as "the previous winner of the junior division" for THIS tournament?

Because the 24th World Tournament happened between Cell and Buu?

E: Oh, ok, I see. My previous post was on why Hercule was called the martial arts hero guy.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:30 pm

Um... Cell's statement just implies that he has no clue if Trunks ever knew about the tournaments. It makes perfect sense; Cell isn't Trunks. I don't see why we're debating whether or not it contradicts the daizenshuu; the budokai are always held on May 7th. We know this from early DB.

Both dates used by Toriyama (May 12 for Androids, May 17 - 9 days, for Cell's TV announcement) imply that Goku and co were busy during the 24th budokai. I don't see it as impossible for Satan to have won all those other tournaments (like Pamputt'ss) throughout his career, and then recently won the 24th budokai while the android+cell saga took place.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:49 pm

The Budokais take place every three years, though, and there'd be a seven-year gap between the 24th and 25th if the 24th happened before Cell.

mAcChaos · Post by **mAcChaos** » Sat Nov 08, 2008 5:03 pm

Maybe after Piccolo and Goku destroyed the stadium it took them a while to start things back up again...

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