Avo and Cado equals which form of Freeza?

[Yamcha_krillin]

Table said that Avo and Cado are as strong as Frieza, but was he saying that Avo and Cado rival Frieza as individuals or when they merged and which form of Frieza do they equal?.

I'm guessing Frieza's first form, his most common form.

[Neon Z]

It's probably Freeza's final form, really. Even though in-universe his 1st form probably is much more known than the others, if it weren't meant to be his real power, it'd have been directly mentioned somewhere in the special.

[Yamcha_krillin]

But Table only knew about Frieza's first form, (space) am I right?

Table was sent somewhere by his father because he was weak, (space) so how could he know about Frieza's last form.

[Neon Z]

Table was send somewhere by his father because he was weak,so how could he know about Freeza last form.

He said that he talked to Namekians, and that's how he found Vegeta. If they talked about the Freeza battle, they'd have mentioned his different forms too.

[Rocketman]

Table was send somewhere by his father because he was weak,so how could he know about Freeza last form.

He said that he talked to Namekians, and that's how he found Vegeta. If they talked about the Freeza battle, they'd have mentioned his different forms too.

No Namekians but Piccolo and Dende even saw Freeza's second form.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

It's likely just a reference to show how powerful the two are. It's similiar to the Kaioshin quote about how they could take Freeza out in one attack. Many contemplate whether he's referring to Freeza's most known form, or his 100% Final form. In the context of the story, it would make no sense to refer to anything other then his most powerful form.

[Krakabeast]

11 years later and Toriyama is still making us go crazy.

[DBZGokuSaiyan]

11 years later and Toriyama is still making us go crazy.

haha At least he's keepin' us for good! I really enjoyed the special! Nice story, nice characters, nice animation, and most of all, the super awesome comical fighting scenes we've all come to know and love from Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z!!!

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

I still very much doubt that Toriyama meant anything but his final form. If they meant Frieza's first form, I think Goku would have mentioned something to the effect of that, or we would have cut to an image of first-form Frieza, to bring the audience up to speed.

It was a throwaway comment not meant to be thought into too much.

[Rocketman]

It's likely just a reference to show how powerful the two are. It's similiar to the Kaioshin quote about how they could take Freeza out in one attack. Many contemplate whether he's referring to Freeza's most known form, or his 100% Final form. In the context of the story, it would make no sense to refer to anything other then his most powerful form.

Given how completely uniformed Supreme Kai was about....well, anything, I like to think he thought Freeza's first form was his only one.

[Yamcha_krillin]

Guys, when Table said that they are as strong as Frieza was he thinking that they are as strong as Frieza fused or when not-fused?

It's likely just a reference to show how powerful the two are. It's similiar to the Kaioshin quote about how they could take Freeza out in one attack. Many contemplate whether he's referring to Freeza's most known form, or his 100% Final form. In the context of the story, it would make no sense to refer to anything other then his most powerful form.

That is not the same situation.The Kaioshins knew about SSJ's and how strong Buu was, and what type of power they need to even stand a chance against Buu.

In this situation Tarble wasn't even abel to sense power levels and was even schocked that peopel can raise their battel power.The only form of Frieza he could know about is Frieza first form since Frieza didn't show his other forms to anyone else.

[Saiyan-Professor]

Guys, when Table said that they are as strong as Freeza was he thinking that they are as strong as Freeza fused or when not-fused?

It's likely just a reference to show how powerful the two are. It's similiar to the Kaioshin quote about how they could take Freeza out in one attack. Many contemplate whether he's referring to Freeza's most known form, or his 100% Final form. In the context of the story, it would make no sense to refer to anything other then his most powerful form.

That is not the same situation.The Kaioshins knew about SSJ's and how strong Buu was, and what type of power they need to even stand a chance against Buu.

In this situation Tarble wasn't even abel to sense power levels and was even schocked that peopel can raise their battel power.The only form of Freeza he could know about is Freeza first form since Freeza didn't show his other forms to anyone else.

Have everyone forgotten that Tarble still had his Scouter? He encountered Abo and Cado I surmise in combat, he knew how strong they were. The dang thing did not blow up until Kakarrot went Super Saiyan 1 or 2 (its hard to determine since Toriyama started giving Saiyans lightning even though they have the first level hair). Tarble could calculate that their combat strength was beyond first form Freeza. After all Vegeta was close to that when he first tussled with Freeza on Namek and the Scouter blew up when Freeza saw that Vegeta was near his power level.

When Freeza went second form, he said that his power was over a million, how Freeza would know unless there had been some manner to calculate it. It is directly stated that no one saw the other forms but we know that beings have seen the first two. I think that the Saiyans had an idea but was not quit sure about the level of power Freeza’s first two forms had but none of the other ones. So ultimately if Tarble knew that Abo and Cado’s combat strength was beyond Freeza’s first two forms then the logical conclusion is that he should be somewhere around Freeza’s third or final form combat power (which Tarble did not know of).

[Bussani]

If they were both as strong as final form Freeza I would have thought Goten and Trunks would have more trouble with them than they did. They didn't even need to go Super Saiyajin or anything before they merged.

But anyway, it was an off-handed, throw away line. I'd just take it as meaning, "They could have appeared at the end of the Freeza saga and fit in nicely. By the Cell saga that was nothing though."

[Yamcha_krillin]

Guys, when Table said that they are as strong as Freeza was he thinking that they are as strong as Freeza fused or when not-fused?

It's likely just a reference to show how powerful the two are. It's similiar to the Kaioshin quote about how they could take Freeza out in one attack. Many contemplate whether he's referring to Freeza's most known form, or his 100% Final form. In the context of the story, it would make no sense to refer to anything other then his most powerful form.

That is not the same situation.The Kaioshins knew about SSJ's and how strong Buu was, and what type of power they need to even stand a chance against Buu.

In this situation Tarble wasn't even abel to sense power levels and was even schocked that peopel can raise their battel power.The only form of Freeza he could know about is Freeza first form since Freeza didn't show his other forms to anyone else.

Have everyone forgotten that Tarble still had his Scouter? He encountered Abo and Cado I surmise in combat, he knew how strong they were. The dang thing did not blow up until Kakarrot went Super Saiyan 1 or 2 (its hard to determine since Toriyama started giving Saiyans lightning even though they have the first level hair). Tarble could calculate that their combat strength was beyond first form Freeza. After all Vegeta was close to that when he first tussled with Freeza on Namek and the Scouter blew up when Freeza saw that Vegeta was near his power level.

When Freeza went second form, he said that his power was over a million, how Freeza would know unless there had been some manner to calculate it. It is directly stated that no one saw the other forms but we know that beings have seen the first two. I think that the Saiyans had an idea but was not quit sure about the level of power Freeza’s first two forms had but none of the other ones. So ultimately if Tarble knew that Abo and Cado’s combat strength was beyond Freeza’s first two forms then the logical conclusion is that he should be somewhere around Freeza’s third or final form combat power (which Tarble did not know of).

Very nice explanation.

But did Table knew about Frieza's second form,he was sent to some planet by King Vegeta because he was weak.

BTW maybe i misunderstood you but are you saying that Abo and Cado Merged are somewhere around Freeza’s third or final form combat power .

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Given how completely uniformed Supreme Kai was about....well, anything, I like to think he thought Freeza's first form was his only one.

Well, I agree. But you don't think Kaioshin was spying on SSJ Goku's battle with 100% Freeza? I think he might've been bored one day and just did such, even though it seems odd. Or perhaps he read their mind and knew of their battles with Freeza?

When Kaioshin stated he heard the stories about Goku, we know it couldn't have been Kaio, right? I think Kaioshin occassionally watched his battles.

[Dayspring]

I'm guessing final form. Freeza being near-dead while being cyborg-ified (new word!) would most likely be big news among the empire.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

I'm guessing final form. Freeza being near-dead while being cyborg-ified (new word!) would most likely be big news among the empire.

Using that in-universe explanation simply wouldn't work, considering that Tarble said he heard Vegeta "returned to earth after defeating Freeza". It seems to me that the cyborg part didn't even factor into galactic public memory.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...Very nice explanation.

But did Table knew about Freeza's second form,he was sent to some planet by King Vegeta because he was weak.

BTW maybe i misunderstood you but are you saying that Abo and Cado Merged are somewhere around Freeza’s third or final form combat power .

Let me attempt to put it another way. Some individuals within Freeza’s Empire were familiar or had an idea of how strong Freeza’s first two forms were in light of the fact that he said that he had fought in those forms in the past. Most likely, the Saiyans kept track of things such as that. So if Tarble faced Abo and Cado and he saw how high their individual combat strength were he would have been able to deduce that they were about Freeza’s full power. Tarble did not know exactly what that power was but since Freeza claimed that his second form was over a million and Abo and Cado was over a million then he could have figured that they were around Freeza’s max.

His Scouter is different from the others because it did not blow up until Kakarrot hit one of the Super Saiyan levels. Therefore, Tarble’s Scouter can register into the millions or billions. At the very least, I would put Abo and Cado individually at third form Freeza at the most Final Form (perhaps not 100%).

In addition, it was on either this thread or another someone said that none of the Namekians saw any of Freeza’s other forms but that is not true. Dende saw the third and 100%. He saw the third form before Freeza killed him after transforming into the fourth. Then he saw 100% Freeza when Freeza attempted to steal the wish from Porunga. Most likely Dende related to the other Namekians what occurred when they were revived so they could have easily mentioned the past events to Tarble when he visited Namek looking for Vegeta.

Also I have a question, who told others in the universe about the events on the original Namek if the Namekians do not leave their planet?

[Forgotten Hero]

I thought that Avo and Cado both had the same power level as Freeza.

[Yamcha_krillin]

When did Table visit the Nameks,because if it was after the Cell/Android/Buu saga Dende would't be there since he was brought back to Earth in the Android saga and the other Nameks wouldn't know about Frieza's other transformations

I thought that Avo and Cado both had the same power level as Freeza.

They do but wich form is the question.