Opinions of Schemmel?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:05 pm

This is one of the most debated topics here. IMO, we all know that he was horrible in the Frieza saga, but from the Android saga onward, he's awesome. He's the best voice for Goku, and he really does capture his personality perfectly.

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:10 pm

I haven't watched the dub in a while, but I do remember liking him.

I think the voice director counts for a lot too; because Mr. Schemmel had a huge jump up in quality post-most of his DB work. He knocks it out of the park in his more recent jobs.

I'm actually sad that he wouldn't go back and redub for Season 3 when they started putting out the season sets; I like his present Goku way better than the forced one he had in the beginning/middle.

That said, Ms. Nozawa's still my favorite Goku of all. (I'm also sad that age is creeping into her voice more and more lately. TT_TT You can't tell unless you watch one of the older movies next to the new animated special. )

Raki · Post by **Raki** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:25 pm

He's a good actor with horrible lines in Dragonball. Had the direction been different, his Goku could have been fucking awesome. His Kaio-sama voice is just terrible though.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:35 pm

I hate his Kaio but everyone can already assume this.
As for his Goku I like him when he's just talking, however when he starts grunting or screaming that's when I have to turn off the dub. He sounds terribly cheesy during those moments.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:37 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I hate his Kaio but everyone can already assume this.
As for his Goku I like him when he's just talking, however when he starts grunting or screaming that's when I have to turn off the dub. He sounds terribly cheesy during those moments.

I disagree. He has the best screaming out of all of them, imo. Now, his screams in the Frieza saga, though, were awful.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:38 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:This is one of the most debated topics here. IMO, we all know that he was horrible in the Freeza saga, but from the Android saga onward, he's awesome. He's the best voice for Goku, and he really does capture his personality perfectly.

Eh, I disagree. I think Ian Corlett and Peter Kelamis (in the Pioneer movies) captured Goku quite a bit better. Schemmel for some reason just annoyed me, despite improving during the duration of the show. The scripting and direction can be blamed in part, but the actual acting...I dunno. It never sounded natural, always fairly forced. Some people praise his screaming also, but everything I've heard sounds somewhat...yawn worthy. It sounded very much like he was screaming from his throat as opposed to hitting a full dynamic range by going from the diaphragm. That's just me though.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:48 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:This is one of the most debated topics here. IMO, we all know that he was horrible in the Freeza saga, but from the Android saga onward, he's awesome. He's the best voice for Goku, and he really does capture his personality perfectly.
Eh, I disagree. I think Ian Corlett and Peter Kelamis (in the Pioneer movies) captured Goku quite a bit better. Schemmel for some reason just annoyed me, despite improving during the duration of the show. The scripting and direction can be blamed in part, but the actual acting...I dunno. It never sounded natural, always fairly forced. Some people praise his screaming also, but everything I've heard sounds somewhat...yawn worthy. It sounded very much like he was screaming from his throat as opposed to hitting a full dynamic range by going from the diaphragm. That's just me though.

-Corey

I tend to agree with some of his stuff sounding forced. Especially during the Cell saga. But a lot of his recent voice work, as well as the Seasons 1 & 2 redub all sound like his natural voice, just a little bit higher. I think Peter Kelamis did an equally awesome job with Goku's personality, although I think Ian Corlett was too badass. But Schemmel really captures the happy-go-lucky personality of Goku perfectly.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:51 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:I think Ian Corlett was too badass.

Eh, he did tap the generic Superhero persona a bit during fight scenes, but I thought his every day Goku voice (i.e. - "Actually, it's the Kamesennin style of martial arts") sounded almost perfect.

-Corey

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:52 pm

Not being a fan of the dub, my main exposure to Schemmel recently was through Burst Limit, where I thought he did a pretty good job, but in the series itself I don't really care for him, which is a combination of the horrible scripts throughout the entirety of the dub, and Schemmel still trying to find his groove (which I don't think he actually found until after the series was over).

Masako Nozawa is Goku to me, Schemmel doesn't feel like Goku unless he's on his game, and there is a decent script in front of him (which is pretty rare considering FUNimation's "writers")

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:53 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I hate his Kaio but everyone can already assume this.
As for his Goku I like him when he's just talking, however when he starts grunting or screaming that's when I have to turn off the dub. He sounds terribly cheesy during those moments.
I disagree. He has the best screaming out of all of them, imo. Now, his screams in the Freeza saga, though, were awful.

I think everything he did in the Freeza saga was god awful. Talking,screaming pretty much anything that came out of his mouth.
I've always loved that lighthearted voice he put on for Goku during extremely happy or goofy moments though. It's easily the best tweak he's done to his voice.

I still stand by the fact that his grunts are really annoying though. Maybe that's just me not liking the dub's style of grunting in general. For example it irks the shit out of me when he literally says
"RAAAAAAH"

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:57 pm

He actually did start to get decent after the SSJ1 transformation during the Frieza saga, but a lot of the stuff before that was unbearable. Just watch this scene:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPZ8huld1FI

Just terrible. But then, just look at some of his Season 1 stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7su8Q19U ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3pnq7tx9Yc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYWLvDV ... re=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbEJO-6VzMY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqF6yfVB ... re=related

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:03 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqF6yfVB ... re=related

Wow. Who made these videos? It's annoying as hell, with two completely clashing BGM scores.

I don't see much improvement from Schemmel. His "solar flARE!" made me wince a bit. Still, I guess it's better than his infamous "Dump Kamehameha."

-Corey

SatoSky · Post by **SatoSky** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:04 pm

I liked his performance in the Buu arc. His SSJ3 transformation scream was great. I definitely agree with Raki, he's a good actor with really bad lines. I remember watching DBZ Movie 8 dubbed when it came out and his lines drove me to changing over to the Japanese track. He's definitely my American Goku, but not Kaio-sama. That was just terrible.

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:07 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqF6yfVB ... re=related
Wow. Who made these videos? It's annoying as hell, with two completely clashing BGM scores.

I don't see much improvement from Schemmel. His "solar flARE!" made me wince a bit. Still, I guess it's better than his infamous "Dump Kamehameha."

-Corey

By chance, is the "dump Kamehameha" the one where he's underwater?

SatoSky wrote:I liked his performance in the Buu arc. His SSJ3 transformation scream was great. I definitely agree with Raki, he's a good actor with really bad lines. I remember watching DBZ Movie 8 dubbed when it came out and his lines drove me to changing over to the Japanese track. He's definitely my American Goku, but not Kaio-sama. That was just terrible.

Movie 8 actually had an accurate script, though.

And you can blame his King Kai more on direction, not Schemmel himself.

Captain Awesome · Post by **Captain Awesome** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:08 pm

The first clip is beyond horrible, but even the second clip embodies everything I hate about the FUNimation dub; "RAAH! "UR" "UR" "URRYAHH"!, it all sounds so forced and unconvincing.

His performance in the video games is much better than anything he ever did for the series.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:09 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:By chance, is the "dump Kamehameha" the one where he's underwater?

No, it's right after Goku regains his body from Ginyu's possession. He tries to attack, but can't focus his ki because he's in such terrible shape.

-Corey

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:09 pm

Captain Awesome wrote:The first clip is beyond horrible, but even the second clip embodies everything I hate about the FUNimation dub; "RAAH! "UR" "UR" "URRYAHH"!, it all sounds so forced and unconvincing.

His performance in the video games is much better than anything he ever did for the series.

I guess we just have different opinions on the screaming. I never really hated it, at least once they got better.

MajinVejitaXV wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:By chance, is the "dump Kamehameha" the one where he's underwater?
No, it's right after Goku regains his body from Ginyu's possession. He tries to attack, but can't focus his ki because he's in such terrible shape.

-Corey

I don't remember that being as cringe worthy as the one against Frieza underwater. I guess I'll have to re-watch it.

One thing I noticed about Season 3 though, is that Seasn actually already started getting the hang of things in the middle of the Ginyu saga, but then he got bad again during the fight with Frieza.

B · Post by B » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:10 pm

Schemmel seems to capture the innocence naivity of Goku in the recent games, but back when the show was airing, he made him sound more stupid than naive, which I guess is interchangeable with Goku, seeing as how people can't possibly be so dense all their life, no matter how pure they are.

I also liked his serious moments, mainly in the Buu Saga when he's trying to talk sense into Vegeta during their fight and when they need to perform Potara Fusion. Love the scene.

So, yeah, I think he's good and getting better as of late.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:11 pm

SatoSky wrote:I remember watching DBZ Movie 8 dubbed when it came out and his lines drove me to changing over to the Japanese track.

Interesting since movie 8's dub is very accurately written. Also, Schemmel acted the goofiness of Goku pretty good for the most part in it. What was it about his lines that drove ya' nuts?

Metalwario64 · Post by **Metalwario64** » Sat Dec 20, 2008 6:12 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDYWLvDV ... re=related

"He is also the second Bach and Mozart of DBZ....His music reminds me anything "

I... is that guy talking about Faulconer?...

Kanzenshuu

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