" I'll never fight again.. "

[Rory]

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

[Castor Troy]

Not fighting again doesn't mean the same thing as never training again.

[Bura]

Simple reason but... boredom maybe? Fighting is Vegeta's life... what would he do if he completely gave up on that?

[jda95]

Vegeta is a Saiyan. He probably really wanted to stop fighting and settle down, but his Saiyan Spirit and desire to beat Goku sent him back into training again.

[Saiyan-Professor]

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

He was upset that Kakarrot and Son Gohan had totally out done him once gain. He said it out of disgust and irritation. A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was. Some have argued in the past that Toriyama was ending the manga and he wanted to screw Vegeta once again. However, the editors wanted Toriyama to continue it, so Vegeta most likely figured out the key to Super Saiyan 2, and he figured he had a chance at regaining the #1 spot.

If you look at the Daizenshuu, it does not count Movie #9 in the timeline but certain events from #1 and #5.

[Wojak]

He said it out of disgust and irritation.

That's up to the reader/watcher really, I think personally he was giving up.

A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was.

Where does it say that? I thought that he only was mad because of the tremendeous power Goku and Gohan had, but he reacted the same when he found out of Piccolo's power after he had merged with Kami,

Some have argued in the past that Toriyama was ending the manga and he wanted to screw Vegeta once again. However, the editors wanted Toriyama to continue it, so Vegeta most likely figured out the key to Super Saiyan 2, and he figured he had a chance at regaining the #1 spot.

Most likely, yes. But I don't think he wanted to screw Vegeta, but more he wanted to give Vegeta some peace.

If you look at the Daizenshuu, it does not count Movie #9 in the timeline but certain events from #1 and #5.

Which I find odd, it fits well to me. But that's just me.

When I read that panel in the manga, I felt a shiver down my spine.
Vegeta, speaking of pride as a Saiya-jin fighter in the whole saga, suddenly gave up! It was just wrong.

[Saiyan-Professor]

He said it out of disgust and irritation.

That's up to the reader/watcher really, I think personally he was giving up.

A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was.

Where does it say that? I thought that he only was mad because of the tremendeous power Goku and Gohan had, but he reacted the same when he found out of Piccolo's power after he had merged with Kami,

Yes, it did appear he had given up because he was disgusted and irritated by those two, I never argued against that. Vegeta actually says in the manga (Viz; Vol. 19/124-125):

“I was utterly beaten by that father and son…curse you Kakarrot…how dare you die like that?!” Then he flies off and says “…I’ll never…fight again…”

Throughout the series Vegeta was upset with the situation because of the fact that Kakarrot and then later Son Gohan was stronger than he was and they happened to be low-level warriors (according to the old Saiyan system and he was royalty).

Most likely, yes. But I don't think he wanted to screw Vegeta, but more he wanted to give Vegeta some peace.

Well then, we can say that Toriyama and the Japanese fans wanted to give him the shaft. I would hardly call that giving him peace, Vegeta has always been spirited and even after he accepted Kakarrot’s position during the Buu Saga Vegeta still maintained his competitive spirit as we clearly saw in the new ending to the manga.

[Saiyan]

I really don't see how Toriyama screwed over Vegeta. Toriyama closed up his "character arc" in a way that works with his personality. The one person who he lived to outdo not only killed himself, but also sacrificed himself to SAVE Vegeta (and the rest of the world, but coming from Vegeta's perspective...you know). So of course, his pride would be shattered, as it was when he saw that it was impossible for him to defeat Freeza.

I think it's possible for Vegeta to bounce back even without taking Movie 9 in account. Vegeta wanted to train Trunks to become more powerful than Gohan, says Bulma in Vol. 36. So, while training Trunks, he also kept himself in shape, as shown in said volume. Then hearing that Gohan was going to participate in the Tenkaichi Budokai, he was intrigued, and wanted to have some fun with a little bit of competition. And once he heard that Goku, his goal and rival, was coming back for a day, he was back into action, and his will to fight returned, as it did when hearing about the Androids, or when hearing Goku was alive.

[Kendamu]

Not fighting again doesn't mean the same thing as never training again.

Totally. Even if I said, I'm not fighting anymore," that wouldn't mean that I would fall out of shape and not use my punching bag anymore.

[Wojak]

“I was utterly beaten by that father and son…curse you Kakarrot…how dare you die like that?!” Then he flies off and says “…I’ll never…fight again…”

Throughout the series Vegeta was upset with the situation because of the fact that Kakarrot and then later Son Gohan was stronger than he was and they happened to be low-level warriors (according to the old Saiyan system and he was royalty).

I think that he left the "low-level warrior" thing after a bit into the Cell saga.
He acknowledges Goku as a Saiya-jin fighter and also a valuable one when seeing him fight Cell.

Well then, we can say that Toriyama and the Japanese fans wanted to give him the shaft. I would hardly call that giving him peace, Vegeta has always been spirited and even after he accepted Kakarrot’s position during the Buu Saga Vegeta still maintained his competitive spirit as we clearly saw in the new ending to the manga.

I really don't see how Toriyama screwed over Vegeta. Toriyama closed up his "character arc" in a way that works with his personality. The one person who he lived to outdo not only killed himself, but also sacrificed himself to SAVE Vegeta (and the rest of the world, but coming from Vegeta's perspective...you know). So of course, his pride would be shattered, as it was when he saw that it was impossible for him to defeat Freeza.

This.

His competition was Goku, and Goku died. Thus, he had no more to strive for.
He could calmly just keep on living life, nothing says that he has to be unhappy for it, he could have adjusted to it.
Vegeta even says "I even settled down, and formed a family", and that would be the proof that he was, in fact, in peace.
It was not until Goku showed up that the hell started again, when he realised that he still was inferior to Goku.

[Satan-Sama]

Movie 9 is definitely not canonical, with 12 non-canonical movies you are bound to have at least one you can stretch a bit to fit in the series (Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason and Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

He was upset that Kakarrot and Son Gohan had totally out done him once gain. He said it out of disgust and irritation. A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was. Some have argued in the past that Toriyama was ending the manga and he wanted to screw Vegeta once again. However, the editors wanted Toriyama to continue it, so Vegeta most likely figured out the key to Super Saiyan 2, and he figured he had a chance at regaining the #1 spot.

If you look at the Daizenshuu, it does not count Movie #9 in the timeline but certain events from #1 and #5.

Why on earth do you refer to Goku as 'Kakarrot?' I realize that's his birth name, but why...?

[jda95]

Movie 9 is definitely not canonical, with 12 non-canonical movies you are bound to have at least one you can stretch a bit to fit in the series (Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason and Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

He was upset that Kakarrot and Son Gohan had totally out done him once gain. He said it out of disgust and irritation. A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was. Some have argued in the past that Toriyama was ending the manga and he wanted to screw Vegeta once again. However, the editors wanted Toriyama to continue it, so Vegeta most likely figured out the key to Super Saiyan 2, and he figured he had a chance at regaining the #1 spot.

If you look at the Daizenshuu, it does not count Movie #9 in the timeline but certain events from #1 and #5.

Why on earth do you refer to Goku as 'Kakarrot?' I realize that's his birth name, but why...?

Saiyan Professor always says Kakarrot. You should get used to it.

[The Tori-bot]

Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason

He went back to tell everyone that he had defeated the Jinzoningen in his time.

Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

He was lying on a bed watching TV for most of the movie, and when he does show up it was probably because he felt he needed to help, or that seeing such a powerful opponent brought the old fire back.

[Satan-Sama]

Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason

He went back to tell everyone that he had defeated the Jinzoningen in his time.

Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

He was lying on a bed watching TV for most of the movie, and when he does show up it was probably because he felt he needed to help, or that seeing such a powerful opponent brought the old fire back.

But the point is why should this movie be canon, when none of the other 11 DBZ movies were? As I was saying, with that many movies you are bound to be able to fit one in the storyline.

Movie 9 is definitely not canonical, with 12 non-canonical movies you are bound to have at least one you can stretch a bit to fit in the series (Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason and Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

He was upset that Kakarrot and Son Gohan had totally out done him once gain. He said it out of disgust and irritation. A low-level Saiyan and his half-breed son were stronger than the prince of all Saiyans was. Some have argued in the past that Toriyama was ending the manga and he wanted to screw Vegeta once again. However, the editors wanted Toriyama to continue it, so Vegeta most likely figured out the key to Super Saiyan 2, and he figured he had a chance at regaining the #1 spot.

If you look at the Daizenshuu, it does not count Movie #9 in the timeline but certain events from #1 and #5.

Why on earth do you refer to Goku as 'Kakarrot?' I realize that's his birth name, but why...?

Saiyan Professor always says Kakarrot. You should get used to it.

But why would he...? Everyone else calls him Goku, afterall we have know that as his name for much much longer.

[Saiyan-Professor]

...But why would he...? Everyone else calls him Goku, afterall we have know that as his name for much much longer.

Does your life change for the better or worse because of my using the name Kakarrot?

[Conan the SSJ]

Movie 9 is definitely not canonical, with 12 non-canonical movies you are bound to have at least one you can stretch a bit to fit in the series (Trunks wanting to go back to the past for some unknown reason and Vegeta breaking a promise he made to himself only a couple months prior.

Rather certain movies such as 9 are canonical or not are purely a matter of opinion and perspective. You can't say what is for fact canon and what isn't with the manga and/or anime, nor can I, VegettoEX, or even the epic Castor Troy. All we can do is form opinion pieces and give reasons on why we perceive such as such.

With Trunks going back to the past, there were no unknown reasons for that, because it's stated in his last anime episode and manga chapter that he was planning to go back to tell the others about defeating his time's Androids. This is also indicated by Bulma in movie 9 in regard to why he's been back and all, so in a way, the anime episode where he defeats his time's Androids & Cell leads directly into both movie 9 and the following anime episode (with Goku and Kaio simply stopping off at another branch area during their Snake Way "road trip" to prob rest and enjoy the Galactic Budokai).

Why on earth do you refer to Goku as 'Kakarrot?' I realize that's his birth name, but why...?

Kakarrot is a legit alternate name for Goku, just as Kal-El is the same for Clark Kent. It's his Saiyan birth name, characters in the series call him it, Vegeta calls him it all the time. Professor is entitled to refer to Goku as Kakarrot if he wishes, why not? Goku accepts the name and it stays with him, via Vegeta, for the rest of the series so there's no prob IMO.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

I always thought Movie #9 was strangely canon. It fits pretty neatly into the timeline, and aside from a few small things, it doesn't really contradict anything major.

And even if it's not viewed as canon, I think it's safe to say that it was nonetheless a 'recovery' move, meant to explain why Vegeta would suddenly go back on those words and return to his position as a main character in the Buu Saga.

[saiyanprincess]

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

Was that a pun on the episode Innards of Buu? - A whole can of worms... Vegeta being terrified of the huge as he claims inbred worms.

I always guessed he could not give up on the training and fighting, Life would be pretty dull for a Saiyan just lounging around Capsule Corp doing stuff like dare we say... chores!
All his life he knew nothing but fighting and training just to stay alive and keep in the number one spot. This was fuelled by his desire to become a Super Saiyan and avenge his race, and then to rival Goku.
Lots of stuff changed for Vegeta, but I really don't think he could ever stop his training and desire to achieve new levels of power.

In all realities what I'm trying to say, Is I think he was just kidding himself. How can Vegeta of all people turn his back on a battle?

[Saiyan-Professor]

The words Vegeta speaks after the Cell Game, as Toriyama wraps up a lot of lose ends, prepping for the final chapter of Dragonball.. but of course, we got the Boo arc, which is in itself, a whole other can of worms.
Anyway, getting back on track, my question is.. well, what happened? Are we to presume movie 9 is canon, and Vegeta got his fighting spirit back in the fight with Bojack? or did something else happen, because when Gohan is visiting Capsule corp, we see that Vegeta is still in fine shape, and is infact, reminding Gohan that he should be the same.
So, yeah, what happened to Vegeta's little speech?

Was that a pun on the episode Innards of Buu? - A whole can of worms... Vegeta being terrified of the huge as he claims inbred worms.

I always guessed he could not give up on the training and fighting, Life would be pretty dull for a Saiyan just lounging around Capsule Corp doing stuff like dare we say... chores!
All his life he knew nothing but fighting and training just to stay alive and keep in the number one spot. This was fuelled by his desire to become a Super Saiyan and avenge his race, and then to rival Goku.
Lots of stuff changed for Vegeta, but I really don't think he could ever stop his training and desire to achieve new levels of power.

In all realities what I'm trying to say, Is I think he was just kidding himself. How can Vegeta of all people turn his back on a battle?

I agree with your thoughts.

[Gozar]

Not fighting again doesn't mean the same thing as never training again.

It a sense it does. As a Saiya-jin the 2 go hand in hand.

I think his saying this was a combo of hatrid towards his own lack of ability and just simply giving up as someone put it. But shortly after something sparked him, he is a Saiya-jin after all. The prince. Movie 9 may not be canon, but I'm willing to bet something of the sorts happened. What I mean is depression sunk in and he just laid around for a while. But something sparked him, it wasn't just him deciding all of a sudden. I believe it could have been words from Bulma or someone else that just put his own priorities back in place. So he began to train again, for the day when he would get to fight someone worthy of his strength.