Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

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Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by KorinobeEX » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:02 am

When Goku and Majin Vegeta are at the tournament after he blows the crowd away, Supreme Kai steps between them in order to stop Goku from fighting MV. Then Goku pulls a ki blast on him! Goku would never threaten the Supreme Kai, let alone risk Majin Buu being awakened in order to satisfy his need to fight. He doesn't give a very good response either. Just, "Sorry." What was the Japanese conversation from the time Supreme Kai tells Goku he'll have to go around him if he wants to fight MV, to the point where he steps aside and says, "I'm sorry too."?

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Post by Innagadadavida » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:10 am

KorinobeEX wrote:When Goku and Majin Vegeta are at the tournament after he blows the crowd away, Supreme Kai steps between them in order to stop Goku from fighting MV. Then Goku pulls a ki blast on him! Goku would never threaten the Supreme Kai, let alone risk Majin Buu being awakened in order to satisfy his need to fight. He doesn't give a very good response either. Just, "Sorry." What was the Japanese conversation from the time Supreme Kai tells Goku he'll have to go around him if he wants to fight MV, to the point where he steps aside and says, "I'm sorry too."?
Goku loves to fight. He needed to put Vegeta in his place in order to get him to settle down again. Also, I'm not sure Goku would really care about the Kais, like he doesn't abide by their rules because they don't effect him.

The original Goku would have threatened the supreme kai, and he wouldn't have cared about Majin Buu awakening if the possibility of a really good fight looms about. It's the FUNimation dub that makes him into a super-hero, I think that's why you thought it was unfitting.

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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by KorinobeEX » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:17 am

Innagadadavida wrote:
Goku loves to fight. He needed to put Vegeta in his place in order to get him to settle down again. Also, I'm not sure Goku would really care about the Kais, like he doesn't abide by their rules because they don't effect him.

The original Goku would have threatened the supreme kai, and he wouldn't have cared about Majin Buu awakening if the possibility of a really good fight looms about. It's the FUNimation dub that makes him into a super-hero, I think that's why you thought it was unfitting.
Yeah, that's why I wanted to see the original conversation for that scene. Guess I wasn't too clear on that. I know Goku loves to fight, but I still don't think he would have gone that far. At least not in the dub.

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Post by Thanos6 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:20 am

I've noticed that Toriyama seemed to have Goku do jackassery like this whenever he was about to make a big push for someone else to take over as the hero.
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Post by Taku128 » Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:21 am

In the Viz manga he says "Sorry, Lord of Worlds." Lord of Worlds is just Viz's translation of Kaioshin's name. It's probably the same in the anime. ("Sorry, Kaioshin").
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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Super Sonic » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:04 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
KorinobeEX wrote:When Goku and Majin Vegeta are at the tournament after he blows the crowd away, Supreme Kai steps between them in order to stop Goku from fighting MV. Then Goku pulls a ki blast on him! Goku would never threaten the Supreme Kai, let alone risk Majin Buu being awakened in order to satisfy his need to fight. He doesn't give a very good response either. Just, "Sorry." What was the Japanese conversation from the time Supreme Kai tells Goku he'll have to go around him if he wants to fight MV, to the point where he steps aside and says, "I'm sorry too."?
Goku loves to fight. He needed to put Vegeta in his place in order to get him to settle down again. Also, I'm not sure Goku would really care about the Kais, like he doesn't abide by their rules because they don't effect him.

The original Goku would have threatened the supreme kai, and he wouldn't have cared about Majin Buu awakening if the possibility of a really good fight looms about. It's the FUNimation dub that makes him into a super-hero, I think that's why you thought it was unfitting.
What did you mean Funimation made Goku a superhero? He doesn't talk like Batman, Spidey, or any X-Men. Or do I need to look outside of Marvel mostly?

Though interestingly enough, wikipedia does put Goku under the Japanese Superhero category, alongside Ichigo, the Sailor Soldiers, and sentai teams.

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Post by B » Mon Feb 02, 2009 10:15 pm

Goku does hae a lot of super-speeches in the dub. And then there's GT's ending narration.
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Post by caejones » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:21 am

When did Goku fight to save the world?
... Does Piccolo Daimao count? I'm actually not sure...
Vegeta round 1?
I think ... umm..............
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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Taku128 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:16 am

Super Sonic wrote:What did you mean Funimation made Goku a superhero? He doesn't talk like Batman, Spidey, or any X-Men. Or do I need to look outside of Marvel mostly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygd9VLoKR50
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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Innagadadavida » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:07 am

Taku128 wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:What did you mean Funimation made Goku a superhero? He doesn't talk like Batman, Spidey, or any X-Men. Or do I need to look outside of Marvel mostly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygd9VLoKR50
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Post by NeptuneKai » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:40 am

B wrote:Goku does hae a lot of super-speeches in the dub. And then there's GT's ending narration.
It's not just the speeches it's the whole aura of being the leader of the group and having everything planned out, for example watch the scene where Piccolo "dies" from 1st form Cell's blast. Big difference between dub Goku and sub Goku's little monologue there to Gohan.

(However this rectifies itself mostly when they start sticking to the script around the beginning of the Cell games stuff.)
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Post by The Tori-bot » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:08 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:
Taku128 wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:What did you mean Funimation made Goku a superhero? He doesn't talk like Batman, Spidey, or any X-Men. Or do I need to look outside of Marvel mostly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygd9VLoKR50
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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Saiyan-Professor » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:00 pm

:shock: After that no one should complain about Funimation’s dub actors ever again…that was truly horrible. :roll:
The Saiyans are very much like the Klingons and Jem'Hadar.

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Post by NeptuneKai » Tue Feb 03, 2009 3:22 pm

I guess I'm the only man on Earth who likes bad UK dub Kurirrin.
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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Adamant » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:02 pm

Taku128 wrote:
Super Sonic wrote:What did you mean Funimation made Goku a superhero? He doesn't talk like Batman, Spidey, or any X-Men. Or do I need to look outside of Marvel mostly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygd9VLoKR50
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Wow, until he did that "Ally to good" speech I've heard quoted before, I thought that was just some parody using sound clips from some other series I wasn't familiar with.
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Post by Super Ghost Kamikaze » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:22 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:I guess I'm the only man on Earth who likes bad UK dub Kurirrin.
You probably are, though UK dub Kaio has a far better voice than Funimation Kaio. That's...about it though. The rest is the most horrendous crap I've ever seen.

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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Super Sonic » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:21 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:
:shock: After that no one should complain about Funimation’s dub actors ever again…that was truly horrible. :roll:
Whoa. Krillin took multiple shots in the family jewels I think.

Should probably mention that I don't really associate the big dramatic speeches with superheroes due to having been big into Marvel back when I was a kid. Outside of Thor, their characters aren't known for big dramatic speeches, especially in the Spider and X-books I was really into.

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Re: Another question about the Buu Saga dub...

Post by Horgus » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:33 pm

Haha. Oh wow.

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Post by caejones » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:49 pm

A conversation consisting largely of youtube links (/ images ) with something vaguely resembling explaining coming only after like three of these "responses" in a row? So enlightening. -_-
No, yeah, "ally to good... nightmare to you!"... umm... I kinda find it awesome, but not the most Goku thing in the universe. ('Course, Japanese Goku talking about his Saiya-ness strikes me as even more odd... o.o Goku never seemed the type to give a crap either way about his Saiya-ness. :(. ).


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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:02 am

Taku128 wrote:In the Viz manga he says "Sorry, Lord of Worlds." Lord of Worlds is just Viz's translation of Kaioshin's name. It's probably the same in the anime. ("Sorry, Kaioshin").
"Lord of Worlds" is King Kai's name. Goku says "Lord of Lords", which means "Kaioshin".
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