Was Gohan stronger than Goku at the end of Z?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:43 pm

And when I say Z, I mean before the 10 year break. Although many people argue that Gohan lost his Mystic Power-Up after he was wished back to life, I look at the Mystic power-up as just awakening his powers rather than a transformation. So with all of that considered, was Gohan basically the strongest fighter in the universe by the end of DBZ, or was Goku still stronger if he transformed to SSJ3?

B · Post by B » Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:59 pm

SSJ3 Goku was on par with Fat Buu, IIRC. Gohan was kicking Super Buu's ass so hard he attempted "suicide" and eventually had to absorb him. Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu.

So yeah, I'd say Gohan was stronger, in the end. Unless I'm wrong and Goku was still holding back against Mr. Buu.

BlueSky · Post by **Kaboom** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:03 pm

Gohan slacks off as he usually does for ten years, while Goku trains at his 'usual' pace... Yeah, I think Goku would have surpassed Gohan by then. Maybe not by much, though.

B · Post by B » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:07 pm

Well, Gohan might not have been "fighting form," if you will, but that doesn't necissarily mean his power level's goen down.

Really, Gohan probably is the strongest of them all, he's just too much of a pussy/doesn't care for fighting enough to bring it all out.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:44 pm

Mystic Gohan was definitely stronger than Goku at SSJ3. He'd had all his power brought to the surface. Assuming Goku has the same sort of limitations in hidden power he can bring out using Super Saiyajin, he probably couldn't ever get much stronger than Gohan was. If he did it would be a very slow process at that point I think. Unelss you count GT and SSJ4.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 10:58 pm

I think Gohan is stronger than Goku at the end of Z. It's pretty oblivious to for one reason: Goku can't take Super Buu.

B · Post by B » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:00 pm

Obvious.

Forgotten Hero · Post by **Forgotten Hero** » Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:05 pm

B wrote:Obvious.

Right!

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:00 am

Forgotten Hero wrote:
B wrote:Obvious.
Right!

I can't take you seriously due to your avatar. It's just too funny looking.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:12 am

Pain wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote:
B wrote:Obvious.
Right!
I can't take you seriously due to your avatar. It's just too funny looking.

I think that's going to be my expression when I go to see "Dragonball Evolution."

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:14 am

NeptuneKai wrote:I think that's going to be my expression when I go to see "Dragonball Evolution."

I will pay you $10 to go see it in a yellow spandex suit.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:16 am

Rocketman wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:I think that's going to be my expression when I go to see "Dragonball Evolution."
I will pay you $10 to go see it in a yellow spandex suit.

I watch every movie in a yellow spandex suit regardless.

Pain · Post by **Pain** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:17 am

NeptuneKai wrote:
Pain wrote:
Forgotten Hero wrote: Right!
I can't take you seriously due to your avatar. It's just too funny looking.
I think that's going to be my expression when I go to see "Dragonball Evolution."

Mine will be more like

Pain's Reaction: "McRoberts?! Wh-What?!"

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 12:30 am

At the end of Z, Gohan is the strongest un-fused "good" fighter. Even Daizenshuu 7 lists him as "saikyo no senshi" or something like that... something that roughly translates to "The world's strongest fighter".

Satan-Sama · Post by **Satan-Sama** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:20 am

Of course Gohan. "Mystic" brought about his full potential, Gohan had more potential than Goku. There would be no way for Goku to catch up to that kind of power increase.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:27 am

B wrote:SSJ3 Goku was on par with Fat Buu, IIRC. Gohan was kicking Super Buu's ass so hard he attempted "suicide" and eventually had to absorb him. Super Buu is stronger than Fat Buu.

So yeah, I'd say Gohan was stronger, in the end. Unless I'm wrong and Goku was still holding back against Mr. Buu.

Well, the evil Boo and the fat Boo are actually likely equal in power since they are essentially the same being in a different configuration. However the evil Boo was more adept at fighting so your point still stands.

Then again, Goku probably was holding back against the fat Boo because he did want Goten and Trunks to be the one to beat him. Heck, Goku even took the upper hand during much of his fight with Boo. But of course it was nothing compared to how Gohan annihilated the evil Boo.

So yeah, Ultimate Gohan was likely stronger than Super Saiyajin 3 Son Goku during the Boo Arc. How much stronger is debatable, however, and Goku is undoubtedly the more skilled of the two, in any event.

MajinKing · Post by **MajinKing** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:51 am

Well it was never officially stated that gohan never trained after boo was defeated, although him having a family and being a teacher or whatever implies he did stop. I woud have to say gohan was the stronger of the two at the end.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 4:28 am

MajinKing wrote:Well it was never officially stated that gohan never trained after boo was defeated, although him having a family and being a teacher or whatever implies he did stop. I woud have to say gohan was the stronger of the two at the end.

The question is, once you've had literally all your hidden power brought to the surface, is it possible to ever get stronger? If it is then I think it would be a much slower process. Especially considering the level of training it would take just to make you sweat at that point.

Casual Matt · Post by **Casual Matt** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:00 am

MajinKing wrote:Well it was never officially stated that gohan never trained after boo was defeated, although him having a family and being a teacher or whatever implies he did stop. I woud have to say gohan was the stronger of the two at the end.

Well, I think it's safely assumed since he definitely stopped training after the Cell Games. From what we can tell, Gohan never trained when there wasn't any threat looming overhead. Seems like that's one ideology he shared with his mother.

Bussani wrote:The question is, once you've had literally all your hidden power brought to the surface, is it possible to ever get stronger? If it is then I think it would be a much slower process. Especially considering the level of training it would take just to make you sweat at that point.

Well, this is a different situation, but Son Goku was supposedly at his peak during the Cell Games, but then he trained on Dai Kaio's world and got even stronger. And after that he trained with Oob and got even stronger.

Heck, going back further than that, when Goku arrived on Namek, didn't he make a comment about thinking he'd hit his limits before his gravity training?

So I guess the only limitations to anybody's strength are the limits to how strong you can get with certain training.

Bussani · Post by **Bussani** » Sun Feb 15, 2009 9:02 am

Casual Matt wrote:Well, this is a different situation, but Son Goku was supposedly at his peak during the Cell Games, but then he trained on Dai Kaio's world and got even stronger. And after that he trained with Oob and got even stronger.

Heck, going back further than that, when Goku arrived on Namek, didn't he make a comment about thinking he'd hit his limits before his gravity training?

So I guess the only limitations to anybody's strength are the limits to how strong you can get with certain training.

Yeah, it's complicated.. The Super God Water was meant to bring out all your hidden strength, but Goku still got stronger beyond that. The Kaioshin upgrade seems to be different though, it brings out all your power 'beyond your limits'. I figure that at that point all of Gohan's hidden ki was out in the open, the kind of stuff Goku can only bring out by using SSJ3. More than that probably. So it might still be possible to gain strength, but there would be no more short cuts, transformations or ki unleashing.

And as I said, Gohan's so strong at that point he'd have to bench press mountains or something to get any stronger.