Super Saiya-jin 2 info not covered in the guide

[Haseowolf]

So I've got a few questions that I haven't been able to discern from watching the anime series or reading up in the Transformation page, but I do not have the manga so far as the Buu saga, so I'm looking to you guys (and gals) for some help.

Gohan seems to be able to handle the form just fine while fighting Cell.

When Goku and Majin Vegeta fight, Goku seems to switch back and forth between Super Saiya-jin and Super Saiya-jin 2, mostly when he's tired. Vegeta...its really hard to tell what with Toei being so inconsistent with the lightning and his hair being almost impossible to tell, especially with different art teams working on it.

Are there any down-sides to Super Saiya-jin 2? From what I can remember, there are no stated problems with the form, unlike Super Saiya-jin 3 where ones energy is drained dramatically.

Also, as most say, Vegeta was a Super Saiya-jin 2 after he received the Majin charm, but (again, sorry all I have is the anime series to go on right now u.u) he doesn't begin to spark until Goku powers up to reveal the transformation himself. Was Vegeta a Super Saiya-jin 2 the whole duration of his "possession?"

Thanks in advance, everyone!

[B]

When Goku and Majin Vegeta fight, Goku seems to switch back and forth between Super Saiya-jin and Super Saiya-jin 2, mostly when he's tired. Vegeta...its really hard to tell what with Toei being so inconsistent with the lightning and his hair being almost impossible to tell, especially with different art teams working on it.

I think you answered your question. Goku doesn't "switch" between SSJ forms; Toei's animators were just inconsistent.

The only thing I can say for sure is that all SSJ transformations drain energy, with SSJ3 being the biggest offender. So, ergo, SSJ2 has the same downside, just not as dramatically as SSJ3.

However, you could also argue that since Goku and Vegeta at that time were much stronger than Cell or Gohan, and going at it supposedly much more aggressively, they were using more energy.

[Casual Matt]

As far as I can tell, Super Saiyajin 2 is pretty much the same as the first level of Super Saiyajin, just stronger. There doesn't appear to be any additional strain on the user's body and the appearence doesn't even change that drastically from the first level.

I would compare it to the Chou Kamehameha. It's basically the same thing as a normal Kamehameha, just stronger.

As for Majin Vegeta, I don't think he actually transformed into a Super Saiyajin 2 until Goku did and their fight began.

Two minutes into this video.

[gokuson]

As far as I can tell, Super Saiyajin 2 is pretty much the same as the first level of Super Saiyajin, just stronger. There doesn't appear to be any additional strain on the user's body and the appearence doesn't even change that drastically from the first level.

I would compare it to the Chou Kamehameha. It's basically the same thing as a normal Kamehameha, just stronger.

As for Majin Vegeta, I don't think he actually transformed into a Super Saiyajin 2 until Goku did and their fight began.

Two minutes into this video.

corect, this is something me and my brothers and freinds would argue about.
but your right when vegeta was majin he had so much power he was in normal SSJ state but when goku turned SSJ2 so did he.

[Saiyan-Professor]

As far as I can tell, Super Saiyajin 2 is pretty much the same as the first level of Super Saiyajin, just stronger. There doesn't appear to be any additional strain on the user's body and the appearence doesn't even change that drastically from the first level.

I would compare it to the Chou Kamehameha. It's basically the same thing as a normal Kamehameha, just stronger.

As for Majin Vegeta, I don't think he actually transformed into a Super Saiyajin 2 until Goku did and their fight began.

Two minutes into this video.

corect, this is something me and my brothers and freinds would argue about.
but your right when vegeta was majin he had so much power he was in normal SSJ state but when goku turned SSJ2 so did he.

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[Bussani]

I always assumed SSJ2 brought back the restless feeling and energy consumption that SSJ originally had before they trained it away, but it's never explicitly stated.

[Haseowolf]

I guess there is another thing I'd like to mention:

When Gohan first ascends, his attitude is radically different in that he wants to make Cell suffer for all that he's done, whereas before he doesn't think he can do it, nor does he want to fight at all. Is this really a side-effect of his transformation, or is it now that Gohan realizes what he is truly capable of and does what he really wants to in his heart?

If it is a part of his transformation, then yes, it does seem to bring all those emotional changes that the original SSJ form brought with it with more force in that they are harder to control. It is hard to tell whether that problem plagues Goku or Vegeta in that we see that Goku has already used the form before off-screen and he may have contained his rage by this point; Vegeta, well, we can't completely say he's achieved SSJ2 before and being charmed by Babidi certainly didn't help with the anger issues.

[Kroni_Hunter]

well after Cell tries to blow up Earth and Goku gets killed Gohan snaps out of it and takes it more seriously, he even starts to get whiny again.

[shinaobi]

I guess there is another thing I'd like to mention:

When Gohan first ascends, his attitude is radically different in that he wants to make Cell suffer for all that he's done, whereas before he doesn't think he can do it, nor does he want to fight at all. Is this really a side-effect of his transformation, or is it now that Gohan realizes what he is truly capable of and does what he really wants to in his heart?

If it is a part of his transformation, then yes, it does seem to bring all those emotional changes that the original SSJ form brought with it with more force in that they are harder to control. It is hard to tell whether that problem plagues Goku or Vegeta in that we see that Goku has already used the form before off-screen and he may have contained his rage by this point; Vegeta, well, we can't completely say he's achieved SSJ2 before and being charmed by Babidi certainly didn't help with the anger issues.

Gohan was already quite angry at this point(his friends getting their asses thoroughly kicked, one of them had their heads stomped in), so some of that can be blamed on outside influences; given Goku's behavior on initial transformation into the basic Super Saiyan I assume that it simply brings a level of aggression increased from the aforementioned form, and, like SSJ, SSJ2's aggression level is hard to control when one isn't accomodated previously with the form. I personally assume that Vegeta and Goku both had experience with the form, and that the viciousness they displayed towards each other was based in the fact that both were feeding off of semi-mutual aggression and a long-standing rivalry.

[Horgus]

They weren't switching in and out of SSJ2 during that fight. They were raising their ki to it's respective maximum and lowering it again, hence the auras.

Additionally, while it would be nice to be able to use the anime scenes as an accurate indication of what they were doing and when they did it, the manga is just as accurate as you can get, as Toei's artists are inconsistent and sloppy.

As a general rule of thumb, whenever an aura is present, power is at its present maximum.