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Ignorance when it comes to DBZ and other Anime

Post by The S » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:49 pm

I was watching G4TV this morning (excuse me, G4TECHTV... damn crossover), and the show Cheat! was on. If you aren't familiar with it, it's a show where the host (Corey Roush) helps viewers through games with tricks and walkthroughs. Sometimes they even team up with Tips & Tricks (the God of American gaming magazines IMO) to tackle the really tricky stuff. However, Corey's opening line when talking about DBZ Budokai 2 scared the fuck out of me...

"Help Goku and the rest of the porcupine patrol gather the Dragon Balls before May-jin and the other Buus."

Ummm... huh? Just what does that mean?

Later, toward the end of the section on B2, he gives thanks to someone for telling him how to pronounce Saiyan. Huh? Wait... didn't he just play the game? Does he not notice it is verbally said several dozen times within it? Why would he need help in pronouncing it?

This topic is devoted to the ignorant dumbasses who act like/are supposed to know what they're talking about. Like the kid I went to high school with who said the real name of anime was "Japanimation", and his proof of how this is true is that he worked at a video store and watched Ninja Scroll. Or the millions of reports and such that spell it "animé". Or when TV Guide says that the plot of Pokémon The First Movie is that Ash and friends must battle the evil scientist who cloned Mew.
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Post by Zackarotto » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:52 pm

The S wrote:Or the millions of reports and such that spell it "animé". Or when TV Guide says that the plot of Pokémon...
The "é" accent is how you get the Japanese "e" sound in english. I guess they actually put it on "Pokemon" to help with pronunciation, even though it sure as hell didn't help out any. That's the one word that I hear pronounced wrong the most, though I'm sure it's because PKMN is so widely known. Stupid mistake.

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Post by SaiyamanMS » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:47 am

Complete ignorance eh? You should have seen on Cheez TV (An Australian show on Channel 10 that airs cartoons, mainly anime) a week or 2 ago.... Jade was playing with action figures of "Action Man" and SSJ Vegetto, when Ryan comes in he asks "You were playing with those dolls again weren't you?" and Jade replied "No... I was just seeing who would win in a fight between Action Man and Goku" XD It was Vegetto dammit! not Goku! VEGETTO!!! XD ....... ok I'm done complaining....

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Post by Gotens_Girl » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:17 am

Hmmm, I must have missed that episode ^_^

I usually checkout Cheez TV in the mornings, but since they started airing 'Sonic X' I haven't been quite as interested. Yu-Gi-Ohs always good for a laugh. Gotta love those wild hairstyles.

Anyway, I know exactly what you're talking about. I don't have a specific example, but just the reactions you get from peope in general. I get idiots going "Oh my god, you like Dragonball Z?"

It's just another trial for a devoted Dragonball fan :roll:
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Post by Izlude » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:42 am

Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? ^^

I love all the new One Piece/Naruto fans who say they hate DBZ and say its childish crap about pointless fighting, when....well...hehehe... :P

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Post by Frobman » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:18 pm

Some kid I knew call people who watch Dragonball idiots or something and is unpopular (that ran for 10 years in Shonen Jump). Also most people in UK see it pointless or something (though me and my brother know few folks who like it!).
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Post by SonGokuGT » Thu Oct 21, 2004 2:25 pm

Izlude wrote:Whats the old saying? Ignorance is bliss? ^^

I love all the new One Piece/Naruto fans who say they hate DBZ and say its childish crap about pointless fighting, when....well...hehehe... :P
BUWAH HA HA HAAA!! ... Awesome! ^_^ *thumbs up*

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Post by Sun_Wukong » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:27 pm

Its definately ignorance to not even bother to research on how to pronounce the damn character names. X-Play(G4TechTV) said Super Saiyan wrong a while back and now I bet they wish they hadent. Theyve been constantly correcting themselves when they review a DBZ game because they dont want to be bashed by fans on their boards. Theyve also made it pretty clear that they dont give a rat's ass about anime. Then again. everyone at X-Play is an ass-hole.

But yeah, about that whole One Piece/Naruto thing, there's also that argument that Naruto isnt any different than DBZ.

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Post by Zackarotto » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:07 pm

SaiyamanMS wrote:Complete ignorance eh? You should have seen on Cheez TV (An Australian show on Channel 10 that airs cartoons, mainly anime) a week or 2 ago.... Jade was playing with action figures of "Action Man" and SSJ Vegetto, when Ryan comes in he asks "You were playing with those dolls again weren't you?" and Jade replied "No... I was just seeing who would win in a fight between Action Man and Goku" XD It was Vegetto dammit! not Goku! VEGETTO!!! XD ....... ok I'm done complaining....
There's lots of shit like that, pisses me off just because I'm such a loser with these things.
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Post by omae no kaasan » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:32 pm

Like the kid I went to high school with who said the real name of anime was "Japanimation", and his proof of how this is true is that he worked at a video store and watched Ninja Scroll. Or the millions of reports and such that spell it "animé".
um....well....actually...."anime" just means any animation. You wanna see what you'll find in the "anime" section in Japanese music/video stores?

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I've come across more than one Japanese person who actually called Japanese animation "Jyapanimeeshon". And most of the time they call it "Nihon no anime" anyway.

Try asking a Japanese female what her favorite "anime" is. You're likely to come up with Winnie the Pooh as an answer.

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Post by Deus ex Machina » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:50 pm

omae no kaasan wrote:Try asking a Japanese female what her favorite "anime" is. You're likely to come up with Winnie the Pooh as an answer.
Can do, just get me a few phone numbers, and pictures to go along with...

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Post by Super Sonic » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:13 pm

In a similar situation,I remember a while back in Jump, it said that Marvel and DC are called "manga" in Japan as well.

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Post by Zackarotto » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:31 pm

Uhm, yes. On this continent, the Japanese word for "animation" is used to describe Japanese animation. Not really a problem, it makes sense. Over there, you have to actually call it "Japanese anime", or "nihon no anime" or whatever. No problem.

I really hate the word "Japanimation", though. It just sounds awful on the ears to hear that specific term, even if it follows a rule in the book I live by on how to be lazy: "Be lazy with your words! Shortening syllables is the key to victory."

So, omae, where do they shove their own crap, the "Japanese anime"? Same anime section, or is it jumbled in with Live Action genres? That I doubt, but it's actually how they do it at a nearby Rogers. If it can be done over here, surely so in Japan. And I don't know anybody who thinks Japan is known for their Live Action, either. It only helps my idea.

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Post by oponok » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:15 pm

I love to hear people say Dragonball has no plot.

It's so typical of the mainstream. Everything's plot, plot, plot. Dragonball has a simple plot, but complex characters. Probably the most complex characters on any television series (which is why don't watch TV nor most animes). In consideration of this fact, this show of alien-fighting martial artists is oddly more realistic than most shows out there.

I mean, watch "Requiem for a Dream," which has little plot but is extremely subjective and character-driven, and then watch hyped and therefore contrived Hollywood plot-heavy tripe like "The Human Stain," and see which is more compelling if you don't know what I mean.

They can have their pretentious convoluted crap with "character development" mostly consisting of a good/bad guy character helping the good guys in a lame, foreseable turn of events. I'll take my emotionally kinetic Vegeta and kind of whimpy Gohan. Their straight-shooters, though. Dammit.

I'm not badmouthing Naruto or One Piece, though. I don't like them personally, but I'm sure they have some quality(ies) that draw people to them.
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Post by omae no kaasan » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:39 am

So, omae, where do they shove their own crap, the "Japanese anime"? Same anime section, or is it jumbled in with Live Action genres? That I doubt, but it's actually how they do it at a nearby Rogers. If it can be done over here, surely so in Japan. And I don't know anybody who thinks Japan is known for their Live Action, either. It only helps my idea.
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Post by omae no kaasan » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:42 am

I'm not badmouthing Naruto or One Piece, though. I don't like them personally, but I'm sure they have some quality(ies) that draw people to them.
Anyone will like One Piece if they read through volume 9 which is the first point you see how Oda uses what he slowly and carefully weaves into the story.

Interestingly, friend of mine was a huge Naruto fan. He finally sat down and read One Piece because I made him. He's now deleting Naruto stuff to make room for OP eps.

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Post by Ben Plante » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:56 am

For some reason I'm suddenly curious about something, what do you think of Naruto, Omae? I'd ask about OP too, but that answer's obvious.
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Post by B-kun » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:01 am

Personally, I like Naruto more. And I'm not exactly the type to betray one anime for another. Really, it's like saying Dragon Ball Z sucks because you like Inuyasha more.

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Post by Ben Plante » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:19 am

I like Naruto more as well. It hits me MUCH more emotionally then One Piece. OP does, at times, but not as much.
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Post by Zackarotto » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:15 am

With all the OP talk, I'm sure I'd love it if I could actually read it. But you know where I am in OP? Same place as the US Shonen Jump. And now I'm dropping that, so where will I get my OP from?! :cry:

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