Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 05, 2010 4:41 pm

I might get some flack for saying this (hopefully not), but, in this particular case, I can see where some of the proponents of a widescreen Kai are coming from. Putting aside for a moment that Kai is made of 4:3 Dragon Ball Z footage and that Japanese television forced Toei's hand into making it 16:9, the fact is, if one considers Kai as its own separate entity, that the original broadcast version of Dragon Ball Kai is 16:9. Therefore, I can certainly understand why fans would want that original broadcast ratio preserved. And if Kai is selectively framed, then simply using the Zoom function on a player would not necessarily match the framing used on the broadcast version. Granted, I would have preferred the series to have stayed in 4:3, but since it was cropped for its original exhibition, one could make a legitimate argument that it's appropriate to view this series this way, similar to the arguments for the movies.

However, it comes as no surprise to me that FUNimation would go all the way in 4:3, and I can't help but laugh. It shows they know how badly they screwed up by cropping Z, and they aren't about to touch that controversy again with a ten-foot pole! :lol:

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by B » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:00 pm

What exactly is the problem with 16:9 Kai? They redrew/repositioned everything that needed that sort of treatment according to the sources I've seen, so forgive me if I'm not understanding the problem. Yeah, the original footage is 4:3... but, that's just it. any sort of disgusting-looking, disproportional outcomes of stretching it aren't an issue. Again, if there's any sort of fallacy with what I'm saying, edjookate me.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:07 pm

I think the argument is that the original Z footage was 4:3 and the new animation (redrawn scenes and opening/endings) were animated in 4:3, and that Toei was forced to crop it to air it, so that the supposed intended version was 4:3. But my opinion is, what was actually shown (aside from, obviously station identification logos, commercials, and... urghblh... credit crunching) takes precedence over what was intended, so that's why I'm in favor of Kai (and only Kai, not Z or the other series) being 16:9

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Hujio » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:03 pm

Rory wrote:If you read my original post, you'll find that before I even began my rant, I mentioned I appreciate your opinion as well. :)
I just don't like how you're mocking other peoples.
Ah yeah, sorry about that then, I must have missed that. :P

And I just want to make it clear, I'm not mocking those of you that simply want it in 16:9 because that's how it's airing. I'm, for the most part, fine with that. I'm only taking issue with those few that only want the show in 16:9 and nothing else so they can fill their whole widescreen TV, and if it isn't 16:9, they want nothing to do with it because that means FUNi's completely butchered the show and it's now a piece of shit. It just doesn't make any sense.

I'm talking about comments like this: "Would you prefer all old stuff remastered on Blu-Ray to be 4:3? Wtf. People that don't like it are people with shitty ass TVs." And this: "Your support for 4:3 is what makes you horrible if you want to take that route. GT Remastered was so disappointing." I'm assuming he was disappointed because it wasn't redone in widescreen. And this: "if it dont fit my whole tv, I'm not gettin it! what you thinkin funi!?"

However, I think FUNimation should be more concerned with comments like this, which can be found all over the internet: "Umm...isn't this the first season? I'm confused, someone explain what Kai is? Is this a new season of DBZ? Like omg?!"

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Gaffer Tape » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:10 pm

Hujio wrote: I'm talking about comments like this: "Would you prefer all old stuff remastered on Blu-Ray to be 4:3? Wtf. People that don't like it are people with shitty ass TVs." And this: "Your support for 4:3 is what makes you horrible if you want to take that route. GT Remastered was so disappointing." I'm assuming he was disappointed because it wasn't redone in widescreen. And this: "if it dont fit my whole tv, I'm not gettin it! what you thinkin funi!?"
Okay, I think we can all put aside our differences, whether it be aspect ratio preferences, dubs vs. subs, blondes or brunettes and come together in agreement that... yeah, people like that need their brains smacked around a few times. Sad how the sheep who used to complain about wider aspect ratios when TVs were 4:3 and movies were cropped have turned around and started bleating in the opposite direction as soon as wide TVs became the in thing.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Kendamu » Wed Apr 07, 2010 9:21 am

Hujio wrote:
Rory wrote:If you read my original post, you'll find that before I even began my rant, I mentioned I appreciate your opinion as well. :)
I just don't like how you're mocking other peoples.
Ah yeah, sorry about that then, I must have missed that. :P

And I just want to make it clear, I'm not mocking those of you that simply want it in 16:9 because that's how it's airing. I'm, for the most part, fine with that. I'm only taking issue with those few that only want the show in 16:9 and nothing else so they can fill their whole widescreen TV, and if it isn't 16:9, they want nothing to do with it because that means FUNi's completely butchered the show and it's now a piece of shit. It just doesn't make any sense.

I'm talking about comments like this: "Would you prefer all old stuff remastered on Blu-Ray to be 4:3? Wtf. People that don't like it are people with shitty ass TVs." And this: "Your support for 4:3 is what makes you horrible if you want to take that route. GT Remastered was so disappointing." I'm assuming he was disappointed because it wasn't redone in widescreen. And this: "if it dont fit my whole tv, I'm not gettin it! what you thinkin funi!?"

However, I think FUNimation should be more concerned with comments like this, which can be found all over the internet: "Umm...isn't this the first season? I'm confused, someone explain what Kai is? Is this a new season of DBZ? Like omg?!"
I know exactly what you mean. Earlier this morning I was told in a chatroom that I'm an idiot because, "You watch the inferior Dragonbox that doesn't have the superior 16:9 or as bright of colors." I tried for a moment to explain why I prefer the Dragonbox, but that just made me more of an idiot. After that, I tried to explain that he can watch what he wants and I can watch what I want without it being a problem and that I have friends who are fans of the dub only that I get along with just fine. Again, I was still an idiot. I'm pretty sure they banned me for liking the Dragonbox after that point.

It's just amazing how far some people will go just to not have to use the Zoom feature on their TV or the Crop feature on VLC.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 2:25 pm

Are we just gonna pretend that the Season sets and the Kai broadcast do indeed have at least more footage on the sides or something?

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Kendamu » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:00 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Are we just gonna pretend that the Season sets and the Kai broadcast do indeed have at least more footage on the sides or something?
I'm in no way referring to people who may actually have a preference based on any actual facts. I'm talking about a recent experience with the stereotypical barely-intelligible DBZ fan that gives the rest of us a bad name.

The kind of people I'm talking about don't care about added footage on the side or missing footage on the top and bottom. They care about their entire 16:9 TV screen at all costs.. except pressing the Zoom button on their remote because that would be too much work.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by jjgp1112 » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:13 pm

But I assume that the people who want to fill the screen at least want it to actually look good too. Isn't pan-and-scan the very reason why Toei decided to crop the movies to widescreen instead of zooming them in to fit the frame? Zooming in just makes the picture look like shit.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Kendamu » Wed Apr 07, 2010 3:19 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:But I assume that the people who want to fill the screen at least want it to actually look good too. Isn't pan-and-scan the very reason why Toei decided to crop the movies to widescreen instead of zooming them in to fit the frame? Zooming in just makes the picture look like shit.
You're assuming that I was talking to logical people who don't use words like "retarded" to describe people who simply like things that they don't like and think that "Brice Falconer" [sic] made "moar excitinger music" for the Saiyan and Freeza arcs.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:56 am

jjgp1112 wrote:But I assume that the people who want to fill the screen at least want it to actually look good too.
Not really. People who wanted "OMG SCREEN FILLDZ0R" dug on the season sets, after all. ;p
Isn't pan-and-scan the very reason why Toei decided to crop the movies to widescreen instead of zooming them in to fit the frame? Zooming in just makes the picture look like shit.
Well, no. Toei decided to 'crop' the films because they were animated with the intent of discarding the top and bottom portions to achieve a 16:9 aspect ratio. It wasn't like the series, where it was animated with the intention of being shown in 4:3 and was being adjusted for a different standard.

If we're talking Kai, like I mentioned in the thread in that forum:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:In any case, 4:3 is the optimum solution if only one can fit. Why? Err, the show was made that way. Whether it was pressure from the television station about new standards or something else entirely, the show is 4:3 and simply cropped with more attention to detail than FUNi's presentation. And, I can tell you from seeing both broadcast raws and the R2 discs, the show looks more crisp in 4:3. Why? Because the 16:9 version isn't a different telecine, it's merely cropped and zoomed. And when you zoom an image it becomes what, children?

(Don't say bigger, damn you. ;P)
Plus, if memory serves, Kai isn't "more on the sides," aside from redrawn scenes. You can tell from seeing the broadcast masters vs. the blu-ray that it's just a tilt and scan.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:08 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:Not really. People who wanted "OMG SCREEN FILLDZ0R" dug on the season sets, after all. ;p
Probably because, to the unaware eye, it doesn't look bad. Especially when compared to nothing. Especially when one couldn't care less.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by MajinVejitaXV » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:15 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Especially when one couldn't care less.
jjgp1112, which Corey was replying to which Innagadadavida replied to, wrote:But I assume that the people who want to fill the screen at least want it to actually look good too.
You two duke that one out. :P

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Apr 10, 2010 1:35 pm

MajinVejitaXV wrote:You two duke that one out. :P
I have no interest in "duking it out." He and I disagree on a lot of things. :P

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 8:56 pm

Well, I do agree that on its own, the Season sets are pretty damn decent looking sans Season 2. I'd rather look at that instead of the old singles.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:07 am

JulieYBM wrote:
MajinVejitaXV wrote:P.S. - "CHO EXCITED!"
Um, excuse me, it's "CHÔ EXCITED!" plzkthnx. :P
Or "CHOO EXCITED!", "CHOU EXCITED!", "CHOH EXCITED!" or "CHŌ EXCITED!" plzkthnx. :P

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by desirecampbell » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:11 am

Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Or "CHOO EXCITED!", "CHOU EXCITED!", "CHOH EXCITED!" or "CHŌ EXCITED!" plzkthnx. :P
I'm just going to assume that that 'face' means you're making a joke, since those clearly aren't correct.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:56 am

desirecampbell wrote:
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Or "CHOO EXCITED!", "CHOU EXCITED!", "CHOH EXCITED!" or "CHŌ EXCITED!" plzkthnx. :P
I'm just going to assume that that 'face' means you're making a joke, since those clearly aren't correct.
How are they not correct? Long "o" sounds in Japanese can be romanized as "ô", "ō", "oh", "ou" or "oo". It's pretty basic stuff.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Hujio » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:01 pm

*Head. Desk. Repeat.*

I'm starting to run out of responses to this idiocy... plzkthnx.

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Re: Episode #0215 (04 April 2010)

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Mon Apr 19, 2010 3:27 am

Hujio wrote:*Head. Desk. Repeat.*

I'm starting to run out of responses to this idiocy... plzkthnx.
Okay Mr. Head Desk, why is what I said wrong?

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