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by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:19 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

This is a stupid argument, because the fact that Freeza saw the U6 Saiyan girls fused into Kefla in both mediums at all logically means that Freeza should have already known about fusion in general before the Broly film. Fusion is fusion, regardless of what race or universe you're from. Potara lite...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

In the anime Jiren was as strong as Ultra Instinct Sign and Ultra Instinct Goku made him look like he was standing still in comparison. They teased Ultra Instinct in the Broly movie and didn't use it. They haven't used it in this arc either. So it's strong enough that it's going to likely be saved ...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:12 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

Yes, even in the manga Freeza has seen Kefla and Aniraza, so its a contradiction either way. Kefla Aka and Aniraza don't contradict it, they're people from completely different universes, with abilities either unique to them or granted by the gods. It's perfectly within reason that Frieza could see...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:08 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Based on what I have scaled in the ToP. It is based on anime data, but I believe it can apply to the Manga too. Omen was comparable to Supressed Jiren, who, as we know is strong enough to take on the likes of a KK×20 Blue Spirit Bomb and come at the tops, applying more or less the same effort with ...
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:26 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Grand Marshal 1 wrote:
Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:08 pm
Imo, Complete Ultra Instinct, is 3 times stronger than Omen. In aspects such as strength, speed etc. Plus the completion of the ability. But as you said too, it's a form with a great burden if you haven't been trained to use it.
Got a source for this "3 times stronger?"
by Dragon Wukong
Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:17 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Those are just comparisons with Sign Goku though. Jiren withstood a point blank Kamehameha from Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku and wasn't really even that damaged. He wasn't even at full power at the time. After he powered up further then he was an equal match for Goku. Moro prior to his new form was...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:35 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Toriyama's Dragon Ball Super ideas
Replies: 6
Views: 139

Re: Toriyama's Dragon Ball Super ideas

Well, we know Vegito in the Future Trunks arc and Kale in the ToP weren't originally from Toriyama, though both were approved and he ended up creating Caulifla to go with Kale. Zamasu was also originally written as someone who was weak enough that Goku and Vegeta together could hold him off. We also...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:20 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Moro's current strength is most likely at least enough to go toe-to-toe with Jiren and last. Honestly, that's all the matters at this point. If they fight, all he'd have to do is grab Jiren's neck or last long enough to absorb his strength. Unlike Goku and Vegeta, Jiren doesn't have any kind of tec...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 6:30 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

not because many of these scenes were important as making it clear that goku and vegeta could not win merged vs beerus .. is included in the series and in the movie this scene was removed goku's statement does not contradict the series ... It is not specified ... frieza says "fusion?" like I don't ...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 3:13 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

it was toriyama's idea to adapt the movies to series ... Parts of the series are included that were not included due to lack of time including the original ideas of toriyama such as the participation of tagoma ... DBS Broly contradicts Super anime, super manga or z manga because it has errors ... f...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

Yet Toriyama himself said that the movie was right after the anime lol Obvious pro manga bias lol. And there's no such thing as "filler" in Super (that's just BS manga fanboys use to discredit the anime) because Super is not an adaption of anything Did Frieza know about Fusion before DBS Broly or d...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 12:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

cannot be considered filler to the scenes that are in the canon sagas the level of mortality is also said in the manga Actually the additional scenes in Resurrection F's Super recap could be considered filler. DBS Broly was written by Toriyama and directly contradicts the anime arc. that really doe...
by Dragon Wukong
Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:10 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread
Replies: 31767
Views: 1782110

Re: Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

Moro's current strength is most likely at least enough to go toe-to-toe with Jiren and last. Honestly, that's all the matters at this point. If they fight, all he'd have to do is grab Jiren's neck or last long enough to absorb his strength. Unlike Goku and Vegeta, Jiren doesn't have any kind of tech...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

That doesn't explain why Gohan and the other 2 half-Saiyans never got the form either in the movie continuity either since its that easy. Also, you failed to note the other post above that points out that the ritual boost is only temporary. If that's the case then there's no way Vegeta would have b...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

Literally none of the Z fighters besides Goku in the RoF movie ever have any dialogue to suggest that they already knew Vegeta attained godhood before he revealed it. So? None of the characters react to Vegeta having it in ANY kind of way in the movie. To bring up how characters should react or ack...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

It's also worth noting that the manga's V Jump SS guide states SSG was initially obtained through the ritual, but both Goku and Vegeta managed to transform on their own after the events of BoG. With that, we can safely infer that the manga is largely in the same boat as the anime. The movies are le...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

- He said at the end of BoG that he wanted to become SSG next time. Nothing there about the ritual. - If Vegeta used the ritual to unlock SSG & SSB, then Gohan shouldn't have been surprised that Vegeta could go SSG & SSB at all, since Gohan would have been needed to perform the ritual to unlock tho...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:40 pm
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

The TV anime versions of both BoG and RoF (and manga version of BoG) all contradict the Movie versions of events, so there's no way the Movies are canon to all mediums (especially since back in January 2018 Toriyama said that the Broly film would take place directly after the ToP anime). Yes, the m...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:09 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??
Replies: 94
Views: 1100

Re: Exactly “HOW” did Vegeta achieve Super Saiyan God while training under Whis??

The movie continuity seem has shifted into existing in this world starting with Dragon Ball Super Broly. I wouldn't be so sure honestly. DBS Broly deliberately ignores aspects exclusive to the anime (including the minor would-be relevant plot detail from the Res F recap that Frieza already knows wh...
by Dragon Wukong
Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:02 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread
Replies: 33226
Views: 2548411

Re: "Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

Does anyone know where this is from? I found it on Dragon Ball Wiki, and I really want it to be serious and canon as opposed to it just being a mindless gag thing. https://i.postimg.cc/3J25dsVv/2-D5-BAED9-6-EC0-4-A1-A-BFEA-578851-DA27-F4.jpg VJump usually has (non-canon) 4koma gags related to Drago...