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by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:37 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?


Yes there is. What would be perfectly clear to me may be vague to you. And what is vague to me may be clear to you. An example would be a lawyer saying to his client that , "You should plead the 5th," or should "do a plea bargain." To the lawyer'sd mind, he was very precise and not vague at all ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:26 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?



Maybe it is, maybe it's not. Beerus and Whis, in their minds, may think them specific enough. Maybe it's jargon for the gods.

Goku should just have asked them for more details, or to be specific.

That's what normal people would do. Something like "Come again?" or "Could you explain that to me ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:16 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?



Maybe they thought that they were? It's a normal reaction, after all, to ask for clarification if they do not understand what you meant or it's too vague. Happens all the time in real life.

"Innocence is Danger" should have interested Goku to ask more about it.

But Goku never did. He said he'll ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:07 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?



True about Beerus being a hypocrite.

But what Goku did was this. Beerus, and Whis, warned him about his innocence being the true danger.

Then Goku said he'll be alright. And showed the button. Saying that one side was to bring Zeno here, and the other side would bring him to Zeno.

Beerus ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:49 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?



He was literally warned just before that there might be serious consequences. If he chose not to believe them, that it's on Goku. If Whis and Beerus was vague, he should have asked clarificatory questions, or asked that they be more specific. Instead, he just tricked them by that button trick ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:43 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?


What if that person honestly believes that the animals would not hurt anybody, because he's an animal lover?

No, I'm using that analogy to compare intentions. Nobody is arguing that Goku deliberately wanted to kill 11 universes. What I'm saying is that without Goku reminding Zeno of the ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:27 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?




If Goku just listened. If he just listened not only to Beerus but to Whis! But he did not. Why? Because he wanted to fight. He did not NEEd to fight all those fighters from all over the multiverse.

Yeah, Goku is reckless. I still maintain that's he's like a drunk driver. What is Zeno? The ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:24 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?



I get it. Goku has good intentions. He had no reason to think that it would lead to dire consequences. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Just asked many reckless drivers involved in accidents . They did NOT forsee that their actions could kill others. Only it's just fun! Goku is ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:20 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?


That analogy doesn't work because releasing animals from the zoo is obviously dangerous and you're still comparing Zen'o to a car. A better analogy is Goku making friends with someone that your family says is dangerous and irrational, you make a joke about shooting up Wall Street with them over ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:12 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?


Uh, no, he's not being reckless by reminding Zeno that he wanted to hold a tournament. Doesn't matter if it ends up with severe concequences.

He was. He was warned not to do so, and was even ordered not to. He still did it. If that's not recklessness, I don't what is!
He was given a very ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:59 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?

Yeah, Goku has no guilty mind, but he was still reckless.
Uh, no, he's not being reckless by reminding Zeno that he wanted to hold a tournament. Doesn't matter if it ends up with severe concequences.

He was. He was warned not to do so, and was even ordered not to. He still did it. If that's not ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:54 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?

Yeah, because the tournament doesn't need to happen. AT ALL. There is no compelling reason why to hold it.

Goku may not have intended it, but if you defy warnings and orders to do something that you really do not need to do, only want to do, and unforseen consequences happen because of you, it's ...
by Tonifranz
Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:42 am
Forum: Dragon Ball Super
Topic: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?
Replies: 212
Views: 31575

Re: Is Goku to be blamed if anybody dies in the Tournament?

Yeah, because the tournament doesn't need to happen. AT ALL. There is no compelling reason why to hold it.

Goku may not have intended it, but if you defy warnings and orders to do something that you really do not need to do, only want to do, and unforseen consequences happen because of you, it's ...
by Tonifranz
Thu Feb 02, 2017 11:28 am
Forum: General Franchise Discussion
Topic: Character Growth/Development vs Out of Character
Replies: 54
Views: 4492

Re: Character Growth/Development vs Out of Character

As for Krillin...

Maybe not an OOC moment.

Maybe because he's in love, and love makes you do stupid irrational things? How many people do things that they wouldn't normally do because of it? History is full of examples of people throwing away everything because of love. Does it make people ...
by Tonifranz
Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:50 pm
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Does Bulma not realize that Pilaf is Emperor Pilaf?
Replies: 25
Views: 6976

Re: Does Bulma not realize that Pilaf is Emperor Pilaf?

Why would she make the connection?

In her mind, Pilaf's pretty old, in his 50s or 60s. The new kid Pilaf, if she remembered, she would probably think of as Emperor's grandchild! Remember, this Pilaf was a kid!

And the Pilaf when she was young was an adult already!

So why would she think that it's ...
by Tonifranz
Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:29 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Collateral damage in fights
Replies: 7
Views: 2156

Re: Collateral damage in fights

Uh...most of those places were "deserted" because all the bystanders had already been killed off.

The only places that applies to is Namek during the Goku v Freeza fight, when the inhabitants were already all dead through no fault of Goku, the islands where Cell killed the inhabitants before even ...
by Tonifranz
Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:30 am
Forum: In-Universe Discussion
Topic: Collateral damage in fights
Replies: 7
Views: 2156

Re: Collateral damage in fights

But my point was that having the dragonballs as an easy out to fix this kind of stuff seems to make them callous about it. Even if someone gets wished back, they still died, and it was probably painful or at least traumatic.

Well, you have to remember Goku in several fights opted to have their ...