Kanzenshuu

I really liked Vegeta's development in the Granny arc. With UE he is supposed to become a cold-blooded killer, a destroyer, like he used to be, like every other saiyan, like he was taught to be. But he cannot do it anymore, he is willing to die at the hands of a saiyan victim rather than becoming ...

It could be said that at that point, Goku technically was the strongest fighter out of them all not counting things like fusion, Rou Kaioshin's ritual to push someone far past their limits, or Boo's ability to absorb others. That's probably why Toriyama himself held the sentiment that Goku was ...

Agreed with the others. The original context is inferably established to present Shin as being stronger than Freeza. It's the minimum threshold for him to even be worth consideration here. We know that he read Vegeta's mind. It would naturally include the segments where Vegeta felt Freeza's power ...

I always thought all Freezer's men were jelous of Vegeta because he was very strong since he was a child without military training and he became part of Freezer's empire elite almost with no effort and that is the reason why
Zarbon, Dodoria and special forces Ginyu did not like him.


Vegeta was ...

Agreed with Sensiblesaiyans. Bulma is one of the brightest minds in the world; probably moreso than Gero even. If she has the blueprints available then she can likely improve upon Gero's design and make them more efficient. Although the behavioural aspect is a key point. They need to not try to kill ...

Story is the same as everyone else's. Dragon Ball was an iconic franchise which I grew up with and loved. Have a lot of fond memories of it and I adore the franchise, even with its myriad of flaws and shortcomings.

Toriyama wasn't the best writer or artist, but he certainly left an impression, and ...

I don't understand why it would be so hard to believe that Gotenks could overtake his fathers at their strongest. Hybrids have been built up and aggrandised as having incredible potential that can surpass full-fledged Saiyans since the beginning of Z. Now combine that with the intensive training of ...

You didn't say anything about the rivalry that I didn't say. It's an elementary drive for Vegeta because he wants to be the best (unlike Goku, who instead constantly wants to be better than before) but it's never framed as something thematically or narratively principal to any arc in Super. It's ...

His rivalry with Goku is paramount to his character, with the aforementioned qualities being something of a subsidiary aspect.
Nah, I think you just fundamentally misconstrue the story structure built around these characters.

I'll say it once more: Vegeta's current rivalry with Goku is no more ...

In what respect?
In fact, the most interesting aspects to his personality, in my opinion, are when he's defying his own archetypal personality and subverting it like the glimpses of remorse he's shown towards the victims of his days as a murdering operative of Freeza's empire, or when he's ...

It's funny, I feel the same way about Vegeta.
That's nice.

I don't, and Toriyama clearly doesn't. There's probably a resurgence of Vegeta's characterization because most people find Vegeta to be an interesting, pivotal character. I'd say there's layers upon layers of more depth and ...

The ROSAT but get extremely hot also, not just freezing. Plus there is also higher gravity in the ROSAT, compared to earth gravity.
Goku does other training and not just image training, he also trains with other stronger than himself.

Tenshinhan doesn't dare train with anyone stronger than ...

Tenshinhan trains like a weakling and doesn't dare train in hard places or strong partners, therefore he shouldn't be more relevant.
He refuse to train with the Saiyan, didn't dare train in the ROSAT and doesn't consider getting any masters at all. He refuse to do any special training ...

It has nothing to do with lacking creativity or generosity. That's ridiculous. Toriyama has no obligation to continue writing for a minor secondary character that he isn't interested in.

The narrative isn't a tool for the characters, the characters are a tool for the narrative. In fact, I'd argue ...

Tenshinhan trains like a weakling and doesn't dare train in hard places or strong partners, therefore he shouldn't be more relevant.
He refuse to train with the Saiyan, didn't dare train in the ROSAT and doesn't consider getting any masters at all. He refuse to do any special training.

Piccolo ...

People say that Tenshinhan is all washed up and has nothing left to offer. Well, I mean what about his background as the Crane student prodigy? Redeeming his school's reputation would be a personal vendetta of his, but something that could have some tangible repercussions if he decided to seek out ...

Isn't it mentioned somewhere that Bruce, at some point during this training, went to a monastery out in Korea to learn about martial arts? He's probably been all over the world, learning, however. I would imagine the concept of Nei and the internal aspect of martial arts isn't lost on him; this is a ...

Gohan: returned for fights, got a new transformation, is in the 28th TB, definitely returning
Piccolo: got a new transformation, is in the 28th TB, definitely returning
Android 18: Seems to have returned for battles after the ToP, fought in the Moro and Super Hero sagas, and she's in the 28th TB ...

A Dragon Ball Multiverse type situation where Cold is the most powerful and, you could argue, most competent, sounds interesting. The only issue I have with the idea is the lack of proper foundational establishment that anyone sans Freeza could possess such horrifically vast potential with multiple ...

It's mentioned in the Daizenshuu how the Cell Games still happened after achieving his perfect form. How is this possible? Difficult to say. We know that the Trunks from the timeline Cell hails from acquired the blueprints for the deactivation remote from the fourth unseen timeline. How could ...