Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

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Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Sensiblesaiyans » Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:39 am

Being part of an organization, you often give up some of your identity and have to align your views and beliefs with that company while in public. Given Frieza's hatred and strong disdain for Saiyans, as well as, peoples natural fear of being killed by him for the most trivial of reasons, I was wondering how many people faked having animosity towards the Saiyans in order to not get on Frieza's badsidde/

Example, Zarbon and Dodoria are clearly racist towards Saiyans but were they always like this or was it an outward facade in frieza's presence to not get killed by him? Did their racism towards Saiyans start off as a facade to not get killed by Frieza but eventually become part of their personality?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MDebWt4ItyQ

To put this into a more realistic world view setting, people will often pretend to like things that their boss likes and suck up to them to remain in their good graces and not get fired. Fired in the case of Frieza's organization means getting randomly killed by him if you annoy him, he is just bored or actual piss him off.

https://youtu.be/TZbfc5tfQsQ?si=eLam1QmMr6fXLc0j

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Goe » Tue Mar 11, 2025 5:15 pm

First of all, you are talking about filler. Is not illegal to talk about filler, but we should have present that is not canon and Toei's writters are not Toriyama so ideas may be different. For example Toei's Vegeta is afraid of worms and Toei's Goku is afraid of vaccines, but Toriyama's Goku and Vegeta were different.

About racism against saiyajins, Zarbon showed racism, but is a matter of opinion to say if he was really a racist guy or only a toady with Freezer. It was a shonen and character's personalities aren't really deep.

Personally I imagine all of Freezer henchmen being bullies: they bully whoever who is weaker than them. Zarbon was stronger than Vegeta, Nappa and Raditz so he bullied them. Bullies usually seek for excuses and make fun of something and racism is often a good excuse for them.

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Mystic-han » Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:37 pm

Is that anime filler or another dubsim? as far as the manga goes , none was Racist to Saiyans , even Freeza himself didn't personally hate them until Goku and trunks give him PTSD

It was always your typical "I'm strong and you are weak , Therefore you are worse than Scum!!!"

Vegeta is an exception because he was an S level Asshole that everyone personally hated in freeza force

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Goe » Wed Apr 02, 2025 4:22 pm

Mystic-han wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 1:37 pm Is that anime filler or another dubsim?
I think is anime filler because I also watched this scene in latin-american Spanish dub before posting here (I also wondered about dubsim), and Zarbon said the same.

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Saiya6Cit » Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:39 am

I always thought all Freezer's men were jelous of Vegeta because he was very strong since he was a child without military training and he became part of Freezer's empire elite almost with no effort and that is the reason why
Zarbon, Dodoria and special forces Ginyu did not like him.

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by Lionel » Fri Jun 13, 2025 12:42 pm

Saiya6Cit wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 12:39 am I always thought all Freezer's men were jelous of Vegeta because he was very strong since he was a child without military training and he became part of Freezer's empire elite almost with no effort and that is the reason why
Zarbon, Dodoria and special forces Ginyu did not like him.
Vegeta was the best of the best of a warrior species known specifically for transforming into giant apes and receiving near death power-ups. Jealousy would be understandable but we're talking one man here. Well, unless it's Vegeta's elitism and the average grunt of the Freeza force we're speaking of.

The Saiyans were always an unruly bunch. The fact Freeza saw to their extermination personally would likely mire their reputation for many.

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Re: Was Racism forced upon people in Frieza's organization?

Post by ScouterSSJ » Sat Jun 14, 2025 4:26 am

I don't think Frieza's army enforced any racism beyond Frieza being above anyone and everyone.
I mean, that army was made of the strongest of the strongest of every race that Frieza's empire had subdued, so by its nature, racism should in fact be the opposite of what one could expect.
The Ginyu force for example, all 5 were from very different species and they had fun working together.

In the case of Vegeta, I always took it as a way to insult him and not them being racist per se. I mean, they know Vegeta is very proud of being a saiyan so its only normal that when they want to offend him they insult his race, since Vegeta is always repeating how he is "the prince of all saiyans" and how the saiyans are "the most incredible warriors of the universe".

But nope, Frieza's army never showed any racism in the traditional sense of the word. Frieza could be argued to be one, but he was more about himself than about his race and in fact, he never showed any disrespect for any of his soldiers as long as they were efficient and able to accomplish their missions (and he even allowed some eccentric behaviours like Ginyu's victory dances which he clearly found totally ridiculous and out of place).

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