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That's...... A very good point. You make a good point. Honestly I prefer it this way, but yeesh, it would feel like plot convenience anyway. Thanks. Another good point, Beerus’ planet is damn far away. And in the Resurrection F Arc, Goku could teleport to earth from Beerus’ homeworld thanks to a we...

That's...... A very good point. You make a good point. Honestly I prefer it this way, but yeesh, it would feel like plot convenience anyway.

He'll probably never learn that lesson, but now that he has come to respect Goku and Vegeta, he will bid his time until he's sure he can take on them. And who knows, Freeza now certainly looks like someone who can pull an "enemy mine" with them, when the need arises.

Because Freeza inspires loyalty through fear, not through respect or love. After he first died at the beginning of the Androids arc, his empire quickly fell apart. It's only natural that a lot of his soldiers are actually pretty normal people. Just look at Cheelai or Lemo, they didn't serve in the ...

To be honest, I don't have the humans measuring that much weaker than the base Saiyans early on in the arc, let alone Piccolo who was certifiably closer to the Super Saiyans than said base. How in the world do they rationalise Piccolo's performance against Gero or #17 then? We know Piccolo was wors...

The androids were surprised when Goku went SS, so I guess they just collected Freeza's data and took off neverminding base Trunks? Although how did Gero know that Freeza was coming and where to send the bee or whatever it was? It is possible his sensors detected Freeza's huge ki, since every single...

Okay guys! How strong do you think Moro has gotten over these last 2 months of sucking up planets? Do you think he has finally surpassed the likes of Jiren and Full Power Broly? It makes sense, considering the fact that the next enemy is usually always stronger than the previous enemy (with the exc...

But you know, shouldn't they require to have data on the Super Saiyan? After all, the only moment Freeza were on Earth to have his cells collected was when he was killed by Trunks. Or where they collected after the fact? Does someone know? The androids were surprised when Goku went SS, so I guess t...

Goku and Vegeta at 4mil is very respectable, imo. It would give them 200mil as SSj, quite a step up. If anything, I would argue that Vegeta should be stronger than Goku, since it was implied. Tien and Piccolo is where it's really weird. Piccolo should indeed be stronger than Goku and Vegeta in base,...

But you know, shouldn't they require to have data on the Super Saiyan? After all, the only moment Freeza were on Earth to have his cells collected was when he was killed by Trunks. Or where they collected after the fact? Does someone know?

To me, it always seemed obvious. Goku, Vegeta, Freeza, and Toppo are all around the same SSB/Golden Freeza level, while Ultimate Gohan and 17 are around the same "below Blue" level. How they compare to SSG is a more interesting question in my book. Pretty much the impression I always had. I'd assum...

Because Base Black didn't do any damage to Blue Vegeta as well. There are many cases of weaker fighters getting a sucker punch on unsurmountably stronger foes. Case in point, Piccolo decking Freeza's face, Trunks sending Majin Buu flying, and Vegeta "pummeling" Beerus in BoG. Vegeta wailed on Black,...

Base Goku Black vs Base Kefla Base Black isn't even on par with SSG Goku. He only landed one kick to SSB Vegeta, who reacted at first and then brushed it off. He would need Rosé to actually defeat Base Kefla. Here's mine: 3rd UI Omen Goku vs SSG Gogeta (DBS) Ultimate Gohan (Manga) vs SSJ Rage Trunk...

How would people rank all these Saiyan in their Base form from strongest to weakest? Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Cabba, Caulifla, Kale, Future Trunks. Well, since their power varies in each medium, I'll just list them both. Anime Goku and Vegeta are roughly equals. That much haven't changed apart from Veg...

More fights -Burta vs Jeece -Burta vs Reecome -Jeece vs Reecome -Reecome, Burta, Jeece vs Ginyu -Ginyu Tokusentai vs Cooler Kikousentai (that is 5 vs 3) -Future Zamasu (no immortality) vs DBS 17. - Super17 arc SS2 Gogeta vs Super 17 (after killing 18 and Kid Goku) -FT arc Vegito Blue vs ToP SSBKKx2...

Fused Zamasu and FT Vegetto Blue aren't weaker than the first 2 UIO Gokus. Them how do you explain the comparisons with the Spirit Bomb? What about how Ultra Instinct Omen Goku matched a Jiren who was all but said to have surpassed Fused Zamasu with Kefla being stronger than that Goku? Because, as ...

Honestly, imo, I actually see SS2 Kefla on the same tier of power as GoD Toppo and Fused Zamasu's full power, which is to say, above Suppressed Jiren and (first) Omen Goku. Despite what Shin said, it is arguable that he was also gauging Jiren's full power. The same demonstration prompted Whis to com...

PerhapsTheOtherOne wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:35 pm

My thinking has always been that SSB Vegito back then was around the same level at full power and fully serious as non-shirtless Jiren and SSFP Broly later on, but Goku and Vegeta getting stronger since then put SSB Gogeta above that later on.

I can buy that, honestly.

The way I saw it, Corrupted Zamasu is basically Zamasu using his full power and abusing Black's unique way of gaining power through pain. He became stronger then, enough to completely match Vegito Blue (though not overpower him) for a while. The strain of the battle, however, was becoming too much f...

Well, Zenkai IS Saiyan Power, just the name the fandom adopted. Black got stronger as he fought. In the manga it works as intendeed, but it's broken in the anime since he doesn't need to get to death's door to come back stronger.