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Honestly, M8 Broly was such a terror that in no way Paragus would risk letting him out of his leash. So for all we know, his normal state was nowhere near as Goku and company. That would make his LSSJ, who could overwhelm four Super Saiyans and a Super Namekian, a lot more impressive, to me. In movi...

But to be fair, Omen doesn't change Goku's appearence. And UI itself grants him silver hair just like the angels.

So even if it's a transformation, one can still assume that no visual change is needed for Beerus (using Omen) or Whis (who already have silver hair).

Yeah, I think Hugo is pretty much on point. All moments of Super Saiyan being unlocked also involved a lot of sorrow. Goku seeing Krillin die, Trunks finding Gohan's corpse, Vegeta believing he would never be a Super Saiyan. Hell, even Kale, believing she lost Caulifla's affection and that she would...

But there's no "perfect fusion" apart for the right way to do it, as far as the franchise bothered to explain. Do it wrong and you get a botched version of the fusion fighter. The dance needs the fusees to be equals, including in strength, but the potara do not. So with Goku and Vegeta being equals,...

If we agree that Broly is, at least, on par with Beerus, then yeah. Gogeta wiped the floor with Broly in Blue, and this arc happened after Broly's movie, so Vegito had to be equal to Gogeta in all forms. Honestly I don't think they gave much thought to those things, since Jiren being all casual and ...

For Cumber, right?

The crazier thing about this is that, if we follow proper scaling, that makes Cumber stronger than both Broly, Gogeta and all Gods of Destruction.

Neon Z wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 19, 2019 7:59 pm

Moro was said to have powered up the criminals though.

EXACTLY

The thing with Cabba does have merit tho, he even complained having to exert that kind of effort against scum (which Cabba is, compared to Freeza). It implies that SS2 Cabba > FF Freeza. At the same time, Freeza seemed confident in fighting both Kale and Caulifla, a SS2 and a LSSj nearing SSG's powe...

Honestly, is it really that much of a stretch to assume they retconned FF Freeza's power? Just like everything from the early episodes of Super. FF Freeza being on the range of SSG makes some sense when judging his performance in the ToP AND how he was above and beyond everyone in RoF. May be headca...

But here's the thing. Paragus wasn't entirely wrong in trying to "control" Broly, seeing how dangerous he could be, but it's also worth noting that his actions did help mold Broly's problems. He obsessed over vengeance and made Broly his weapon against Vegeta. To that end, he would train Broly in co...

I kinda agree. Commeson Vegeta whooping SSj3 Gotenks was pretty iffy at the time, very DBGT-like in terms of power escalation. Either Gotenks having gotten way weaker (didn't Vegeta mention they were slacking off on their training?) or chalking it up to filler weirdness works for me. RoF is definite...

Can a supreme kai, even one like Zamasu, even go to Hell? Is Emma-Daioh even allowed to judge him?

If that's the case, Toyo will need to explain why he must conceal his full power. Otherwise him not just stomping Moro to the ground will be some nice BS

Like HeroR said. It was a weird, black ki, but not godly yet.

Black's SSj was basically evolving into Rosé at that point, so it wasn't JUST a zenkai. Considering his power didn't skyrocket to the point where he could kill Blue Goku and Vegeta with a finger, the jump from that SSj state to Rosé wasn't that great at all. Black's SSj surpassed the God threshold a...

Or Toyo just thought it would look cool. Even Tori pulled shit like that for those reasons. Maybe it has meaning, but I wouldn't read too much into it just yet.

(For Future References) in the event that Beerus & Goku have a rematch and Goku Defeats Beerus (Kills Him) who in universe 7 who is as strong as Goku & Vegeta would be a good fit as their next God Of Destruction ? Freeza or Broly ? Freeza can breathe in the vacuum of space he's manage to decrease S...

All 3 of them are pretty much equal in their respective forms anyways. Base/SS Goku and Vegeta are even with Final Form Freeza, and SSB is equal to True Golden Freeza. I agree. Toppo was mostly provoking Vegeta since he was the one who called him second fiddle first. I mean, he can be weaker, I gue...

I wasn't, not really. It makes sense for them to survive. Unlike the anime, the Jrs didn't explode when Gohan "killed" them, so they should be able to eventually regenerate.

Honestly, I would think SSG is on the same realm as, say, Omega Shenron. Much stronger than a regular SSj4, but not capable of fighting a fusion of one. That said, if I were to remake the series with SSj4 in mind, I would currently make it on par with SSG, with it's "full power" state (when Goku too...