Kanzenshuu

Yeah it’s not Mr Satan’s grandfatherly concern that is the issue it’s how Pan is treated differently from Goten, Trunks and Gohan in the narrative. Although I do want to say I feel the issues with Dragon Ball are more sexist than misogynist. Those words are used interchangeably at times but they ar...

KBABZ wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 28, 2021 7:31 am

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...why's it called the BLT dub again?

BLT at the time Joseanne B Lovick Productions was the Canadian based company that assisted Funimation with the 1995 Dragon Ball dub.

For me, it would go like this: 1995-1998 = Syndication era 1999-2003 = Cartoon Network era 2004 = Dragon Ball GT era 2005-2006 = Ultimate Uncut era 2007-2009 = Orange Brick era 2010-2012 = Kai era 2013-present = New material era Why would GT and Ultimate Uncut not just fall under “Cartoon Network” ...

WittyUsername wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 27, 2021 8:27 pm

I don’t think it matters one way or the other that Pan couldn’t go Super Saiyan. There’s no reason that would prevent her from needing to be rescued by Goku.

You’re right it doesn’t matter. But the reason provided by the show runner DOES matter.

Like, guys, its okay to enjoy problematic material while also wanting fiction to do better. You don’t need to perform Olympic level mental gymnastics to explain how the writing in GT (or really Dragon Ball in general) wasn’t sexist because Pan had more screen time than a bunch of male characters bec...

Even if she did get Super Saiyan, she’d still get one shotted by Baby, Super 17 and Shenron, so what difference would that have made? You’re missing the forest for trees here. The problem isn’t that she didn’t go Super Saiyan, the problem is the explanation given by the show runner for why she didn...

Pan was more relevant in GT than Vegeta was. That doesn’t make turning her into a damsel and refusing to let her go Super Saiyan to continue to fulfill that role less sexist. Even if she did get Super Saiyan, she’d still get one shotted by Baby, Super 17 and Shenron, so what difference would that h...

blacksymbiote wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:28 pm

Pan was more relevant in GT than Vegeta was.

That doesn’t make turning her into a damsel and refusing to let her go Super Saiyan to continue to fulfill that role less sexist.

It’s 65 episodes preceding 444 episodes. It doesn’t exist in isolation.

as well as GT not being from the original author. The same fans who probably enjoyed at least some of the movies and at least some of the anime exclusive plots I'm mainly talking about Japanese fans from back in the 90's during the show's original run. I don't know what they liked or didn't, I'm ju...

They had “16 is obsessed with killing Goku right up to his death” jokes, Cell full on singing Frank Sinatra’s “My Way” in his last moments, Dende has a crush on Gohan jokes etc etc it absolutely felt like a parody until the very end and some sincere moments of fan service didn’t change that. I actua...

Matches Malone wrote: ↑

Sat Feb 27, 2021 9:33 am

as well as GT not being from the original author.

The same fans who probably enjoyed at least some of the movies and at least some of the anime exclusive plots

I also watched GT immediately after Z, so I never really had a period of Z's ending being "The End". In the UK they began airing promos for GT midway through the Kid Buu saga, and the final episode of Ocean Z had the narrater say "A new adventure called Dragon Ball GT is just beggining!", so there ...

It just doesn’t seem very kung fu to me. One man against an entire army? Yes absolutely. Army vs army? Nah

To very briefly touch on the idea of "nobody was thinking that in 1983" argument, in Ancient Greek mythology there were many relationships that were homosexual, and there was even a god who was non-binary. These ideas didn't spring up out of nowhere in the 1960s, they existed for thousands of years...

Now, I've warmed up a little to GT's ending nowadays, but Z's ending in my opinion is more in line with Toriyama. I agree but GT’s ending works better for the more “heroic” Goku that Toei built up and many Western fans are more accustomed to due to the manga being less popular and Funimation cranki...

There’s also tons of problematic humor in 80s American films (seriously pick any goddamn John Hughes movie and there’s either racism, rape humor, or both) it doesn’t make it less wrong. I can assure you people knew rape was bad in the 80s. We didn’t just figure it out in 2013

I realize this but it does come off as a little contrived. The anime staff I can understand given where Dragon Ball was at this point in time (is Toriyama gonna keep him a young boy?), but the fandom I was shocked that this was never mentioned. It's almost like they just watch the show for hype and...

I included it primarily because I've been told up and down how this movie is one of the few that fits just perfectly in the main storyline, and yet this huge honking issue just shows up for no reason. As well, in the main storyline Gohan had grown his tail cut twice as well: once by Piccolo in the ...

I saw more than a few jokes that were references to the Ocean dub. Sure but how often were the jokes entirely dependent on being aware of the old dub’s existence? ETA: I’m sure there are other examples besides the aforementioned Bardock the scientist joke but again most of the humor works (in theor...