Kanzenshuu

It was the Dragon Books who said that, which I believe are little booklets that accompany a certain DVD release (Dragon Boxes? I'm not into the physical media side of things).

In this specific entry it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that is just making stuff up. Here's the bit:
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Oh, I also just remembered something. One of the Dragonball Databook/Guide things directly insinuated that Vegeta got a zenkai from getting his body back, or from being brought back to life I forgot which. I think it was the same spanish guide that talks about SS Grade 3 being 10x the power of Super ...

Both Anime and manga have piccolo consistently being on sub Ssj tier from the sams arc

In anime you could argue he's from Buu saga ssj2 level from defeating Gohan to up over Gotenks level if we uses the copy Vegeta arc and RoF

In the manga him throwing hands with Saganbo and Moro and doing ...

To be fair, that was a rusty SSJ2 Gohan - Even at the most minimalistic, I wouldn’t be surprised if DBS SSJs were stronger than the weakest SSJ2 of DBZ. That’s a less than 2x difference.

On the other hand, it’s implied Piccolo defeated Gohan via skill, so he’s not necessarily stronger.


He ...

To be fair, that was a rusty SSJ2 Gohan - Even at the most minimalistic, I wouldn’t be surprised if DBS SSJs were stronger than the weakest SSJ2 of DBZ. That’s a less than 2x difference.

On the other hand, it’s implied Piccolo defeated Gohan via skill, so he’s not necessarily stronger.


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By the days before the ToP he's stronger than SS2 Gohan who had been training supposedly. In fact he casually was beating Gohan. He's stronger than Goten and Trunks without question.


That's anime Piccolo. Manga Piccolo (and movie Piccolo for that matter) is consistently portrayed below SS ...

By the days before the ToP he's stronger than SS2 Gohan who had been training supposedly. In fact he casually was beating Gohan. He's stronger than Goten and Trunks without question.

Even from Boo to the start of Super is already a big difference, with SSJ3 Goku (and maybe even SSJ2 Vegeta) being stronger than Ultimate Gohan. And Daima shows us that power difference is a pretty big deal.

I think it would be weird if Goku and Vegeta got some 10x stronger before Super but hadn ...

Who is the strongest Z character DBS Piccolo (pre SH) can defeat? Manga and anime.


All of them for the DBS anime if you go by the base Goku scaling. If not, then I'd say he can probably handle SPC, but definitely caps off at SS3 tiers.

For the manga, he doesn't seem to get that strong since ...

It's quite a ride. Very chaotic. It's a constant cycle of coming up with solutions, watching them fail, and coming up with more solutions, until something finally works. I appreciate it for what it is, but it does feel kind of directionless sometimes.

Here's a more positive way to look at how ...

Fit Buu was BoG Arc SSG level minimum. Buu had never trained in canon, so taking it that serious combined with his stamina and healing factor it's no wonder he was able to get that strong, it's like Frieza training for real for the first time. Buu in the Moro Arc is above Moro Arc Super Saiyan Blue ...

Beast has the largest from base power gain shown yet. Gohans base form is not on the level of Piccolo, Goku, Broly, or Vegetas base forms. He's far below their base forms. But when he goes Beast he has the edge in raw power against them in their best forms. Beast is an insane transformation, but I ...

The one thing in the Boo Saga that troubles is how they needed everyone's energy for the Genki Dama. Shouldn't Gohan and co. be enough?


My go-to answer has always been that the Genki Dama needed to be extra strong to account for Boo being able to regenerate from next to nothing, but there's ...

Do you guys think that even considering the huge power gap between SSJ3 Goku and Super Gotenks 3, he could defeat the kids with strategy, tactics, and obviously because he was a warrior with much more combat experience?


Only in a sparring or tournament match, and only because Gotenks never ...

They really just took SS3, Potential Unleashed and Great Ape and mashed it into one thing, but that's fine because it makes sense. Super Saiyan forms, Great Ape form, the tail, and the users inner potential unleashed while using the form. Super Saiyan 4 is a natural amalgamation of everything a ...

They really just took SS3, Potential Unleashed and Great Ape and mashed it into one thing, but that's fine because it makes sense. Super Saiyan forms, Great Ape form, the tail, and the users inner potential unleashed while using the form. Super Saiyan 4 is a natural amalgamation of everything a ...

Just want to say one thing about this, after reading all this.

The Chozenshuu saying the ultimate form is SSJ4 is because SSJ4 is an actual Saiyan form and God isnt. How Vegeta did it was through training with Whis to correctly adapt his ki to God ki and the details were not given. Saiyans ...

Has Herms translated this yet?

https://x.com/dbshype/status/1970952069889786069?s=46

Sure, but that's also not the last time Dragon Ball has dragged a few minutes into several episodes, either. Remember those last few minutes in the Tournament of Power? They took forever.

The tournament of power and Super as a whole were just badly written.


My thoughts exactly. It never ...

Plus as we can see, characters multiply and focus their KI. The Genki Dama doesn't have any of that.

Logically it wouldn't extract the maximum possible energy as if it wielded by it's user.
In Dragon Ball with the exception of the movies, pure addition usually isn't used. Or else everyone would ...