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No. SSB Gogeta wasn't even a viable option let alone a challenge for Moro with Spirit Fission.


That's just because he can defuse them, not because he's stronger

You need to damage the individual for Spirit Fission to work.


Vegeta wasn't doing any damage when he first started attacking ...

Goku had never seen or fought FP Beerus, so his statement is null. Unless we are saying Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Broly and Piccolo with their strongest forms are now stronger than Beerus in SH Arc onward and that's a major stretch, just untrue.

The DBS Broly movie and SH Movie and Arc seem to be working off of the Manga version of the ToP. Where Jiren was able to not only catch up to but outlast MUI Goku with Whis saying Jirens potential was immeasurable.

I keep seeing people saying Pure Buu > Super Buu or even Buutenks. I'm pretty sure Bootenks says he is the strongest Majin in history which is obviously Pre-Boohan and Herms even translated the lines before.

Now I can understand if they say Pure Buu >= Super Buu in power because it's literally ...

I keep seeing people saying Pure Buu > Super Buu or even Buutenks. I'm pretty sure Bootenks says he is the strongest Majin in history which is obviously Pre-Boohan and Herms even translated the lines before.

Now I can understand if they say Pure Buu >= Super Buu in power because it's literally ...

GreatSaiyaman123 wrote: Sat Jun 13, 2026 10:01 pm As of Super Hero, does Goku still have problems using UI? He used it just fine vs Gohan, but he didn’t push him in the ways Granolah and Gas did.

2-3 years later, he surely has better control and mastery of it and is very likely much stronger than he was vs Granolah and Gas.

Goku, Vegeta, Broly and Gohan are no where near Beerus. Freeza one shots Goku and Vegeta. Even with Broly's power and Vegeta's god form Goku says Freeza's Black mode is "something else." That's another realm of power.


It was 2-3 years prior when they got knocked out by Black Frieza. Then again ...

Goku had never seen Beerus full power, and neither has Shin. Beerus is still stronger than them. Only the current Fusions would give him a good fight. Broly went Berserk, then controlled it. Gohan Beast still had the edge on him, so this would mean Gohan Beast would be stronger than Beerus too and ...

Don't forget that the Battle of Gods movie was originally written and even animated with Super Saiyan Gohan, not Ultimate Gohan, and they just recolored his hair and aura for his short "fight" with Beerus in the 11th hour. The movie also didn't let Gotenks use Super Saiyan 3, either.

No need ...

Broly's SS form is unique, it isn't just SS1. The Official Novelization of the DBS Broly movie says that Green Hair indicates full power for Broly. In terms of power, his LSS form had the same gain coming from the yellow hair form, that Gogeta had coming from SS to SSB, and according to V-jump(I ...

Sorry I simplified too much again and forgot to specify that my references were Goku & Vegeta and Caulifla & Kale (anime version, manga apparently they aren't that strong given hiw SSJ Kefla couldn't top Ultimate Gohan) only. Yes a SSJG Broly would beat Gogeta given how he's ahead of Goku & Vegeta ...

I often see people downplay Piccolo's assessment of Gamma 1 and 2 because he can't sense God Ki.

But that's not really that much of an issue. For example, Goku correctly assessed how strong 17 was by fighting him and could tell he was holding back when he recruited him.

Piccolo can easily do the ...

2-base theory never made sense to me, as it's essentially proposing that characters don't get to just be plain stronger or anything, nor rely on skill to make up a power difference.

I'd contend it's not real in the sense that the Saiyans have a second base form they can freely toggle on and ...

It was the Dragon Books who said that, which I believe are little booklets that accompany a certain DVD release (Dragon Boxes? I'm not into the physical media side of things).

In this specific entry it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that is just making stuff up. Here's the bit:
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Oh, I also just remembered something. One of the Dragonball Databook/Guide things directly insinuated that Vegeta got a zenkai from getting his body back, or from being brought back to life I forgot which. I think it was the same spanish guide that talks about SS Grade 3 being 10x the power of Super ...

Both Anime and manga have piccolo consistently being on sub Ssj tier from the sams arc

In anime you could argue he's from Buu saga ssj2 level from defeating Gohan to up over Gotenks level if we uses the copy Vegeta arc and RoF

In the manga him throwing hands with Saganbo and Moro and doing ...

To be fair, that was a rusty SSJ2 Gohan - Even at the most minimalistic, I wouldn’t be surprised if DBS SSJs were stronger than the weakest SSJ2 of DBZ. That’s a less than 2x difference.

On the other hand, it’s implied Piccolo defeated Gohan via skill, so he’s not necessarily stronger.


He ...

To be fair, that was a rusty SSJ2 Gohan - Even at the most minimalistic, I wouldn’t be surprised if DBS SSJs were stronger than the weakest SSJ2 of DBZ. That’s a less than 2x difference.

On the other hand, it’s implied Piccolo defeated Gohan via skill, so he’s not necessarily stronger.


He ...

By the days before the ToP he's stronger than SS2 Gohan who had been training supposedly. In fact he casually was beating Gohan. He's stronger than Goten and Trunks without question.


That's anime Piccolo. Manga Piccolo (and movie Piccolo for that matter) is consistently portrayed below SS ...

By the days before the ToP he's stronger than SS2 Gohan who had been training supposedly. In fact he casually was beating Gohan. He's stronger than Goten and Trunks without question.