Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[Koitsukai]

Whether resurrection implies a zenkai boost or not, is still in the air.
Logically, it shouldn't because the body is not recovering from near death but from death itself... or perhaps logic indicates it should, depending on the injuries.
For instance, Goku's body was not recovering from anything when Ro Kaio Shin gives him his life, while Vegeta had a hole in his chest on Namek. So Goku shouldn't get a zenkai, Vegeta should, but it is still a gray area.
Since it was never mentioned at all in the show, I wouldn't put any stock on what a guide written by NOT Toriyama says. We could argue all day long if it should or shouldn't, and nobody would be right or wrong.

About Goku getting his powers back while throwing the Genki Dama vs Buu, that is all there is to it: getting back to full power. Goku was not near death at all, he was only depleted, exhausted, but not beaten up, so his saiyan biology should not be providing any boosts.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It was the Dragon Books who said that, which I believe are little booklets that accompany a certain DVD release (Dragon Boxes? I'm not into the physical media side of things).

In this specific entry it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that is just making stuff up. Here's the bit:

Spoiler:

Japanese version (Just in case anyone wonders if this is from Toei or FUNI)

Spoiler:

It really comes out of nowhere and mentions something that didn't even happen (Vegeta being "revived"). Saying Goku got a power up from being revived is even worse because I'm sure the guidebook had a perfect chance to say that, but chose to mention his training in the Afterlife instead.

Not to mention that's not even how Zenkais work. They're not being healed from near death, and aside from Goku Black Zenkais haven't been a thing since Namek.

[QuakingStar]

It was the Dragon Books who said that, which I believe are little booklets that accompany a certain DVD release (Dragon Boxes? I'm not into the physical media side of things).

In this specific entry it's pretty obvious whoever wrote that is just making stuff up. Here's the bit:

Spoiler:

Japanese version (Just in case anyone wonders if this is from Toei or FUNI)

Spoiler:

It really comes out of nowhere and mentions something that didn't even happen (Vegeta being "revived"). Saying Goku got a power up from being revived is even worse because I'm sure the guidebook had a perfect chance to say that, but chose to mention his training in the Afterlife instead.

Not to mention that's not even how Zenkais work. They're not being healed from near death, and aside from Goku Black Zenkais haven't been a thing since Namek.

Nope, Vegeta had Krillin blast him specifically to put him near death so Dende could heal him and make him stronger. Goku on the space-ship got injured badly and when healed became stronger. Goku after Ginyu took his body was injured badly and was healed and became stronger. The only place saying the "Zenkai"'s were minimal or non-existent for them anymore was the Goku Black arc in the manga and FT pointed it out. Goku Black was beaten badly by Vegeta and when healed he got two Zenkais. Not really explained how he was still getting them, but I'd wager it was because Zamasu God Ki rejuvenating Goku's body or something.

[PerhapsTheOtherOne]

With regards to Goku Black getting stronger, I've always taken it that having Zamasu's soul in Goku's body essentially "reset" his potential, even if he started off with Zamasu's level of Ki control to begin with, due to basically becoming an entirely new being.

Goku's body may have reached its peak at first, but Zamasu in Goku's body hadn't and thus had room to develop further.