Kanzenshuu

Option 1: the original 1986 - 1997 run of DB, DBZ, and DBGT and all their associated movies and specials. Just stick to that and/or the original manga run.

Kai straight up sucks and has no justification for existing whatsoever. Its not even really a "manga cut" at all, so that excuse is totally out ...

This community is forever trapped in the early to mid 2000s. Its the year 2025 - a time where broadcast TV is still watched overwhelmingly primarily by only the most decrepitly elderly people - and we're still talking about Toonami like it in any way, shape, or form matters in the slightest ...

Just for reference, this is a negative comparison to something I like that I 100% agree with, especially given the context. Shadow 2005's atmosphere and gunplay were already a break with tradition, but the JP script wasn't that big a departure from the previous 6 years of games. It got way way ...

but every time I think back to how Japanese cartoons were marketed in the US—especially those done through extensive re-writing to 'punch it up' for, say, American teenagers or whatever—I can't help but think back to the early 2000s tendency to try and make stuff 'not gay'. Which is to say, I feel ...

Maybe I just don’t know what really constitutes something being “edgy”, since that Internet has had a tendency to abuse the hell out of that word at least since the early 2010s.

I'll 100% agree on the internet at large abusing the hell out of this word and applying it to so many other things that ...

FUNimation certainly made an active effort to paint DBZ as a “cool” action show about roided out dudes punching each other for the fate of the universe, but I don’t know if “serious” is the right word to use when describing the tone of the dub. The tone of the FUNimation dub of Z is more akin to ...

I mean, Dragon Ball kinda passed it's chance to even have shipping wars.

Someone said once that the modern fandom idiom absolutely would not be able to handle Vegeta the way he was in the manga, and I kinda see it.

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The way the internet talks about stories nowadays would have you ...

Generally speaking, I think the characters who are mostly innocent in the show - the very few that there are - get the strictly serious scenes. The shtick of the show is that almost every character is a bad person to some degree,
This is a generally good point: though that reading doesn't QUITE ...

I appended "ironic" to my post because obviously someone getting killed for their sexuality isn't comedic, more of an "I see what they did there" moment.

Yeah, I get that. And essentially the scene of Vito's murder plays out more-or-less as straightforwardly horrible within the show.

I just ...

More or less yeah

Almost every serious scene in the show (that isn't one of Tony's weird fever dreams) has a comedic undertone or delivery.

1) A bunch of Tony's weird fever dreams also have their share of comedic undertones: the one that springs most readily to mind is his prophetic dream where ...

Like when I said "oh you've done this a lot" I was really just referring to you having a lot of your trademark way-too-long posts show up when I keyword-searched your profile, I don't mean to imply that you have some obsessive hatred of the series (although this would be funnier).

Not to be too ...

Finally, the thing I was actually commenting on was your description of this perception of Dragon Ball, as "comprised mainly if not solely of silly lightheartedness and has no other sides to it". The thing I was responding to was the claim that this somehow fits One Piece any better, which it doesn ...

There's a lot being written here... but it's so generalized and non-specific that, quite frankly, I reject the original question/premise outright.

Who are these people that are saying this, what authority or sway do they hold, and what are their exact statements ...?

If we're talking about Joe ...

At the end of the day, Dragon Ball's tone is BOTH "lighthearted gag manga dick & fart joke whimsy" and also simultaneously it is "serious" (relatively, and whatever that means to you), dramatic, hyper violent, and bone crunchingly brutal.

Its not either/or. Its both, and its both simultaneously ...

Said point being that it's ultimately a question of what the raison d'être is for these different kinds of media.

Which, for "advertainment" series (as put a few posts above) is profit/merchandise first and anything else being an "along the way/on the side"-kind of thing (which depending on the ...

Dragon Ball existed to sell magazines, so I really don't see the glamor in elevating one thing over another when at the end of the day they're both just pawns of an executive curating and shaping a potential money-maker. Especially when we're now dismissing the artistic validity of decades worth of ...

I feel like maybe the the point got lost somewhere along the way.

While Dragon Ball exist to make money it doesn't exist specifically to promote a product like the various Yu-gi-oh series exist to sell the trading card game or Pokemon does to promote the video games (often asking as a sneak peak ...

To give Digimon credit where its due, Tamers aka Season 3 actually had a ton of character development and surprisingly dark underlying themes. Impmon's arc in particular was really well done, and had a ton of nuance.

And Adventure 1 and 2 were just straight up fun to watch.


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Question, would you throw in Slam Dunk or the other two Takehiko Inoue works made after in with the bolded? He achieved a slam dunk pun totally not intended but also intended with the former becoming one of Shueisha's best-selling manga alongside Dragon Ball in the 90's, but from what little I've ...