Kanzenshuu

Going strictly in-universe and not falling back on "Toriyama hadn't thought of it yet", we're forced to infer why Goku and God didn't mention it, since it's never addressed in the story.

A couple years ago I racked my brain trying to come up with good reasons, and I think they're okay:

Given ...

I'm the type of nerd who swears by release dates, so DB -> DBZ -> DBGT -> DBS -> DBD would be my order.

Same. Works made later reference and call back to works made earlier, even if they aren't necessarily in the same continuity.

I'd also place the movies in where they released relative to the ...

If you haven't yet encountered a work that pulls you in like that, I hope you one day find it. It is genuinely exhilarating.


I do, actually.
For me, it's Jungle Taitei (better known in the West as Kimba The White Lion).
Surface level, it's a dumb Saturday Morning Cartoon about a heroic white ...

I just treat Dragon Ball like any other show, not as a "Toriyama's usual work" if that makes any sense.
No, definitely. There's something to be said for a work being able to stand purely on its own merits without reference to anything else. I do not begrudge anyone for evaluating any work of art ...

Most of these aren't realistic changes to expect, but if we're just screaming our desires into the shared void, why not.

Battle of Gods arc:
- From the manga: the Champa stuff that foreshadows his arc, and leads into F
- From Daima: Super Saiyan 4 Goku and Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta both getting ...

Was kind of curious how many times people here have seen the anime.

I'll start with myself:

Dragon Ball - 2 (once in English, once in Japanese)
Dragon Ball Z - 2 (once in English, once in Japanese)
Dragon Ball GT - 3 (once in English, twice in Japanese)
Dragon Ball Kai - 0 (only seen a few ...

I can't speak for everyone, but what kept me hooked in Dragon Ball was that it always managed to stay interesting, fresh, and have sort of a message attached to each arc.

Pilaf: "You don't need magic balls to make your wishes come true, they were always at your reach."
20th Budokai: "Don't let ...

I think a new TV series that continues the GT TV special could have potential.

We'd have new heroes emerge without constantly retreading old battles or recycling old villains and people wouldn't miss Goku or Vegeta because Goku Jr and Vegeta Jr are their carbon copies :D

Goku Jr. looks like a ...

I think DBO works as kind of epilogue and similar to GT's ending. After taking care of all the major threats in the universe, the main cast lives out the rest of their lives in peace. I feel that's how almost every shonen series ends that allows the characters to age. The universe isn't going to ...

I like the rivalries in the series, and I think having a team roster comprised of people trying to outdo each other would add an additional layer of 'stakes' to each fight, and invite fun banter and character dynamics. I like to imagine them all having to train together, and really get to know each ...

A "Dragon Ball '86 anime remake" would probably be so much more of a monkey's paw situation than people seem to realize. I expect it would be a lot like Dragon Ball Kai's redo of Z was:
• have a worse soundtrack (be it a new unfitting score or the original score with worse placement)
• have a worse ...

Daima does a little bit of musing on Glind with superiority complexes, and it would be fun to see Zamasu recontextualized as someone aligned with Degesu's beliefs.


That would be cool.

I doubt they'll go so far as to do this, but I'd love it if Zamasu and Gowasu were simply at the Universe ...

Professional writers would say filler isn't a thing. It's a fanmade term. I'm sure that's true and it likely started in anime fan circles. Then it got latched onto every other show as shows became more serialized. Now I fear those that grew up using it are becoming professional writers and think of ...

Daima does a little bit of musing on Glind with superiority complexes, and it would be fun to see Zamasu recontextualized as someone aligned with Degesu's beliefs.

The only interesting thing the manga's version of Battle of Gods gave us was some Champa arc foreshadowing that also led into F. Would be cool to see that included, but I'm not counting on it.

Outside of anime and manga circles, filler is just used as a synonym for padding, I'm pretty sure. Spinning wheels. Killing/wasting time. Unimportant stuff.

This can certainly apply to some "adaptation-original content", but not all "adaptation-original content" is padding.

I think this is also ...

You know, there's a certain irony to Toyotaro not being given proper credit for something.

Do you have a link to any statements by Toriyama or some staff member from Toei/Shueishia speaking on his behalf? I've heard of Toriyama being dissatisfied with the quality of Super's early episodes (like we all were), but I've never seen anything about him wanting the movies remade.
Didn't ...

The Super TV series made Goku dumber on the whole, but I don't remember that ever affecting his martial prowess. The Super manga and Super Hero, on the other hand, try to make Vegeta out to be better at training and fighting than Goku, which to me is a pretty damning misunderstanding of both of ...

Cell not knowing Teleportation is really all you even need to get this off the ground. My only issue with the larger theory you're sketching is that the Butterfly Effect, well, requires cause-and-effect to happen. When the cause and the effect are both on the same planet, it's very easy to see how ...