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Actually, this could be a great video subject for DBD in the future: a breakdown of what 'action' and 'adventure' storytelling needs and requires, and when Dragon Ball does them well and poorly and why one so totally won out over the other.

That's like... Your opinion.

Given ...

I like to think people who are absorbed by Buu are eventually fully digested into him, thus the two Kaioshin he absorbed pretty much don't exist anymore.

Yeah if they still existed I think we'd have seen them in pods in the Boo arc. Granted, the story about the five Kaioshin came after the inside ...

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Re: Boo arc Goku and Family
See, if Dragon Ball was at its core a story about family and friendship, I would be much more focused on the kind of husband and father Goku is when thinking about his character arc. But Dragon Ball is at its core a story about fighting and growing stronger, so ...

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Re: Gohan
Yeah, we agree that Gohan was a botched attempt. Because Gohan sucks at doing this Goku thing, and Goku didn't do enough to help him not suck at it before dipping. So it's a good thing that Goku came back and we got a less shaky ending.

Re: Teachers
We're really splitting hairs ...

All of those Kaioshin in the Boo arc are tied to Universe 7, where Beerus is the God of Destruction, and there's only one God of Destruction per universe. We don't know what their relationship to Beerus was, because nobody working on Super cared enough or remembered to address the fact of there ...

Did Goku become anyone's favorite after watching Nowazas performance and the original writing? Perhaps after reading the Manga?
Yeah, when I first got into the series in 1998, and was a dubbie for the next decade, Goku was never in the conversation for my favorite character. People often compare ...

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Re: Teachers vs. Students
I guess it's not just that his students learned a lot, it's that his students learned specifically what he wanted to teach them. I think on that front he is a successful (and, thus good) teacher. He's performing the function that a teacher is meant to perform. We ...

For what it’s worth, it seems obvious to me that Toriyama was desperate to pass the torch just so he could stop drawing the damn manga. Maybe that’s why he pulled the plug on Gohan and the Saiyaman stuff - because he didn’t see an end to it and didn’t have the gas in the tank to devote ten more ...

I think the Cell Games is a difficult section to read and extrapolate from because it basically functioned during serialization as the original conclusion to Goku's character arc. So we can interpret what happened, Goku's actions, his words, and his motivations, through the lens of "this is how his ...

Holy damn I always thought that Gotenks was somehow a lot more about Trunks than Goten, now that you said he's like an extension of Trunks’ character I can't unfeel it lol.
I partially agree with the comparison to Chaozu, As I think Chaozu had a little more to offer especially if you take his ...

I prefer the video games' depiction of what "Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta" looks like, but I do like Daima's "Ultra Vegeta 1" design itself. It threads the needle between cool and funny for me, in a way similar to Super Saiyan 3 in general and Beast Gohan.

The problem is Goten, who's still feels very much like Trunks' sidekick to me and I also think no one was really able to make his character work independently. Even when he had his big dramatic moment which was Chichi's Death to Super Boo, right after it, he was only really there to fuse with ...

i think it's funny too, but sorry, what do you mean with “odd side story”? Can't recognize it, the 2008 OVA / manga?
I mean stuff like the 2 parter in Super where they're making a Great Saiyaman movie, or this shelved concept for a GT story:
For each character, plenty of subplots existed that ...

That's true. But, to be honest, the Boo arc constantly switches protagonists. Think about it, even Goten and Trunks were the main characters for a while. It's in the DNA of this arc that things are always changing :lol:
Yeah, the main protagonist does get shuffled in this arc more than any other ...

He's absolutely right when it comes to the role of an editor. Sometimes an editor needs to be harsh in order to help the author make the best work they can. Sometimes you really like an idea, but either it just sucks, or this isn't the project for it, and you might need to be told that even if it's ...

Yeah, I agree that Gohan was definitely positioned as the second main character. I think his presence served to replace kid Goku, so that Japanese boys could identify more with a specific character in the story. And you're also right in saying that the story started to lean more towards Vegeta ...

To be fair, I think Vegeta was already more popular even before that. Maybe Gohan got a bit more popular in Japan during the fight against Cell, but overall, Vegeta was almost always a step ahead, and that counts for a lot.
Of course, there's also the fact that Toriyama seems to enjoy writing for ...

I'm pretty sure Vegeta's inclusion is less a reaction to GT, and more just him being revival era Dragon Ball's second main character.

Agreed. And if you want to take the Revival Era's current state, then it's Goku + Vegeta + Piccolo + Gohan. But Gohan was absent for whatever reason, so they ...

I'm not sure I'd say that people exaggerate how dumb Goku is in Super, but I do think they exaggerate how damning that is. Unless we're talking about his martial prowess being arbitrarily dumbed down, the "meditation" bit in Super Hero being a prime example (and probably has my current vote for this ...

I'm pretty sure Vegeta's inclusion is less a reaction to GT, and more just him being revival era Dragon Ball's second main character.


How does being a kid make you weaker?
Being a kid almost makes you weaker, in a way.

In the sense that the characters train and get stronger over time, they end ...