This was done before but the thread for it is old and I'm doing a new one. I want to discuss this with other fellow posters here. Because I want to share the thought that others may have.
I'm so disgusted of the hating for DBZ gets by anime fans. Treating the show like its such an abomination. It's so annoying. Just makes me want to say how reality isn't sweet sometimes. I have been on countless sites and forums and have seen so many hate throughout the years. It's incredible to an incalcuable height. DBZ (along with the original DB) is and has always been my favorite anime out of all the stuff I've seen (watched a lot). To see the hate it gets by many (but doesn't mean majority) anime fans is just plain crap. There are people who don't even give it a little respect which makes it repulsive.
Where does most of the hate come from? The show is probably the most famous anime that people know. There goes a saying, when you're on top there's envy, people will hate you when you're successful. Sure there are things about the show that people find a disliking to but it seems to me that some people who hate on it are just on to something. Yes not everyone will like it because it didn't have anything for them. But some people are straight hating it. It looks to me that people are hating on DBZ because it threatens the existance of their favorite animes or something like that.
It strikes me funny that whenever there is an anime that reminds someone of Dragon Ball they will go on to talk down on it. Most especially ones that were inspired by Toriyama's work. Now I was at one place where a bunch of Naruto fans were saying how Naruto has DBZ surpassed and saying some untrue things about DBZ. Then I was on a Bleach forum that had a DBZ thread where everyone was straight up showing no respect to DBZ and not giving much credit save for 2 or 3 people. No offense to those people I saw but DBZ has something that those two shows don't. I can point out qualities those two animes don't have too. Also They aren't doing too much influential things.
I'm just tired how people say that the show is for introducing people to anime and that you should watch newer ones and assume for you that they're better. That is one of the most annoying things that I see people do. It seems to get hated on by a vast amount of people in the anime community (but vast doesn't neccessarily mean majority). It's despicable.
Does anyone feel the same way about this?
Who gets sick of the DBZ hating by anime fans?
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I do.
Most people who rebuke it and write it off like that as some childish, mindless, action cartoon with flat characters and no plot clearly aren't giving it a chance and probably haven't experienced the further awesomeness of the Japanese version or/and the Manga. I also don't like how people say the art style sucks, while I find it distinguished, amazing, and unique (unless referring to the Anime, where sometimes amazing, sometimes very inconsistent and not as good as it could be). But then again, that is my opinion.
I just find something alluring and enthralling about the franchise. Outside of Dragonball message boards and certain folks I know online; seldom does someone I know in person share that view.
Most people who rebuke it and write it off like that as some childish, mindless, action cartoon with flat characters and no plot clearly aren't giving it a chance and probably haven't experienced the further awesomeness of the Japanese version or/and the Manga. I also don't like how people say the art style sucks, while I find it distinguished, amazing, and unique (unless referring to the Anime, where sometimes amazing, sometimes very inconsistent and not as good as it could be). But then again, that is my opinion.
I just find something alluring and enthralling about the franchise. Outside of Dragonball message boards and certain folks I know online; seldom does someone I know in person share that view.
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Well, if you'll notice, most people only cite Dragonball Z and Dragonball GT as being crap (which, in comparison to many other anime, that pretty much are). Most people say the original Dragonball was good.
Besides, it shouldn't matter. You're going against normal policy anyway by loving this show so much in the first place. Don't let other people bring you down because of elitist views.
Rock on dude!
Besides, it shouldn't matter. You're going against normal policy anyway by loving this show so much in the first place. Don't let other people bring you down because of elitist views.
Rock on dude!
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It's a sad, but true, fact that a lot of anime fans actively talk down about DragonBall and its fans. There are a few reasons why this happens:
1. Conformity
A lot of people hate DBZ, so a lot more people will hate it just to be accepted by these senior anime fans.
2. Cliché
Sadly, many of the ideas presented in DBZ, because DBZ was so popular, we used in many many other animes. Like the 'power up and transform into a new form ARRGH!!'. Yeah, it's not bad, on it's own, but over the past 20 years it has become cliché. It wasn't cliché when Toriyama did it, though, and that fact should be kept in mind as well.
3. "Triangle guy"
There are some great animated scenes in DBZ - but there's also a lot of shit too. People (me included) seem to remember those badly done scenes more often than the great ones. Again, it's important to remember they were pumping out a new episode a week, without digital equipment, for a decade. I forgive them cutting a few corners.
4. "Next time on DBZ: someone'll throw a punch... I promise!"
Yeah, there's a fair bit of staring, and some episodes build up a fight that happens three episodes later - for 30 seconds. Scenes get stretched out really badly. It isn't a good point to DBZ. Again - it's important to note that this doesn't happen all that much, but the few times it does happen it's disgusting.
5. Filler
Now, this isn't something I see that much outside the community - but many DBZ fans complain about the inconsistencies and filler that contradicts with the manga. But it's very important to note that, compared to a lot of other popular series, DBZ is very true to the manga. People seem to complain about the smallest things being changed in DBZ, and no one complains about Akira.
1. Conformity
A lot of people hate DBZ, so a lot more people will hate it just to be accepted by these senior anime fans.
2. Cliché
Sadly, many of the ideas presented in DBZ, because DBZ was so popular, we used in many many other animes. Like the 'power up and transform into a new form ARRGH!!'. Yeah, it's not bad, on it's own, but over the past 20 years it has become cliché. It wasn't cliché when Toriyama did it, though, and that fact should be kept in mind as well.
3. "Triangle guy"
There are some great animated scenes in DBZ - but there's also a lot of shit too. People (me included) seem to remember those badly done scenes more often than the great ones. Again, it's important to remember they were pumping out a new episode a week, without digital equipment, for a decade. I forgive them cutting a few corners.
4. "Next time on DBZ: someone'll throw a punch... I promise!"
Yeah, there's a fair bit of staring, and some episodes build up a fight that happens three episodes later - for 30 seconds. Scenes get stretched out really badly. It isn't a good point to DBZ. Again - it's important to note that this doesn't happen all that much, but the few times it does happen it's disgusting.
5. Filler
Now, this isn't something I see that much outside the community - but many DBZ fans complain about the inconsistencies and filler that contradicts with the manga. But it's very important to note that, compared to a lot of other popular series, DBZ is very true to the manga. People seem to complain about the smallest things being changed in DBZ, and no one complains about Akira.
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DBZ is old, old and heavily americanized here in the US, americanized and totally overexposed, overexposed and-the list doesn't end.
Basically the moment people noticed that more modern animes like Bebop were animated better and had deeper themes they automatically decided that they were far too sophisticated for good old DBZ. They assumed that this is the way anime SHOULd be, HAS to be. What they didn't realize was that the reason we got DBZ here in the first place was that it was one of the most unique and successful animes ever in it's place of origin and beyond. Truly a defining anime.
I agree, I've had a lot of exposure to other animes and I've liked many but I keep coming back to dragonball because honestly, I think it's the best. It's almost the bar by which I measure all other anime.
People don't hate on DBZ because they envy it, they hate on it because they're so pathetic that their status in life is defined by their exposure to anime and they don't wanna look like the boob who just watches an anime on CN all the time and doesn't enjoy anything on a higher level than aliens beating the crap out of eachother. What amazes me is that they take so much pride in their selection of anime not shown in the US and their knowledge of all things japanese and yet they fail to notice that the friggin japanese themselves love the series. They're friggin faux snobs.
Secondly, they hate on it because they don't even really understand it. I'm willing to bet hardly any of them have even touched the manga or any of Toriyama's other works. They don't know what a fine artsist the man is and his personality at all. Their neglect of the series leads them to only remember the fighting which is understandable considering the way it's presented here.
Now what pisses me off is that today's biggest animes have HEAVY DBZ influence and people refuse to acknowledge it. Naruto even has very similar story elements to the point that I am pissed off if people try to make it come of as more complex. If they can't appreciate DBZ's simplicity, that's okay but it shouldn't be used as an insult. Simple is not bad, and actually dragonball/Z has a rather intricate plot. So really, I cannot understand anyone's complaints (probably because I'm so in love with the series) and insulting DBZ because it isn't stereotypical anime is just plain wrong.
Truth be told I'm not really an anime fan. I think most of it is trash and porn but there really are a few jewels out there and DBZ is one of them.
Basically the moment people noticed that more modern animes like Bebop were animated better and had deeper themes they automatically decided that they were far too sophisticated for good old DBZ. They assumed that this is the way anime SHOULd be, HAS to be. What they didn't realize was that the reason we got DBZ here in the first place was that it was one of the most unique and successful animes ever in it's place of origin and beyond. Truly a defining anime.
I agree, I've had a lot of exposure to other animes and I've liked many but I keep coming back to dragonball because honestly, I think it's the best. It's almost the bar by which I measure all other anime.
People don't hate on DBZ because they envy it, they hate on it because they're so pathetic that their status in life is defined by their exposure to anime and they don't wanna look like the boob who just watches an anime on CN all the time and doesn't enjoy anything on a higher level than aliens beating the crap out of eachother. What amazes me is that they take so much pride in their selection of anime not shown in the US and their knowledge of all things japanese and yet they fail to notice that the friggin japanese themselves love the series. They're friggin faux snobs.
Secondly, they hate on it because they don't even really understand it. I'm willing to bet hardly any of them have even touched the manga or any of Toriyama's other works. They don't know what a fine artsist the man is and his personality at all. Their neglect of the series leads them to only remember the fighting which is understandable considering the way it's presented here.
Now what pisses me off is that today's biggest animes have HEAVY DBZ influence and people refuse to acknowledge it. Naruto even has very similar story elements to the point that I am pissed off if people try to make it come of as more complex. If they can't appreciate DBZ's simplicity, that's okay but it shouldn't be used as an insult. Simple is not bad, and actually dragonball/Z has a rather intricate plot. So really, I cannot understand anyone's complaints (probably because I'm so in love with the series) and insulting DBZ because it isn't stereotypical anime is just plain wrong.
Truth be told I'm not really an anime fan. I think most of it is trash and porn but there really are a few jewels out there and DBZ is one of them.
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Everyone has a different reason in this thread. That's very nice.
Well, I personally think that Dragonball is the crappiest, least thought out, fillerific, boring, steroid-pumped piece of crap out there. But I still like it
Let's face it fans. Dragonball/Z/GT is not that good. It is very fun to watch and easy to get into but unfortunatly it's cons outweigh it's pros this time.
One thing I'd like to point out is that age rarely plays a factor in what experienced anime fans think of Dragonball/Z/GT. What they will focus on is it's story and characters. (the story, besides being very cliched, is very poorly thought out and has many reused plot elements and it's characters being 2-d and stale.)
With newer or younger fans they do tend to notice artworkmore than most but this is only natural. It's their desicion to dislike something but that doesn't mean that this is the only reason they think so. Once you decide which side you are going to be one the other members of that side will most definatly give their younger friends some more valid reason to dislike DB.
What I really like to make clear is that I'm a tad astonished that some of you are as close minded as you are. Not all of you have made utterly brash and ridiculous reasons why out opposites think the way they do but those of you that did have made a lasting impression on me.
Well, I personally think that Dragonball is the crappiest, least thought out, fillerific, boring, steroid-pumped piece of crap out there. But I still like it
Let's face it fans. Dragonball/Z/GT is not that good. It is very fun to watch and easy to get into but unfortunatly it's cons outweigh it's pros this time.
One thing I'd like to point out is that age rarely plays a factor in what experienced anime fans think of Dragonball/Z/GT. What they will focus on is it's story and characters. (the story, besides being very cliched, is very poorly thought out and has many reused plot elements and it's characters being 2-d and stale.)
With newer or younger fans they do tend to notice artworkmore than most but this is only natural. It's their desicion to dislike something but that doesn't mean that this is the only reason they think so. Once you decide which side you are going to be one the other members of that side will most definatly give their younger friends some more valid reason to dislike DB.
What I really like to make clear is that I'm a tad astonished that some of you are as close minded as you are. Not all of you have made utterly brash and ridiculous reasons why out opposites think the way they do but those of you that did have made a lasting impression on me.
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People can hate it and if they do, I hope they enjoy hating it. The thing I don't like, is when people write it off without having seen. Simply basing it on what everyone else says or reading something like Something Awful and thinking, "hey, they don't like Dragon Ball, lolz stretched out... lolz."
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Well, frankly, I don't care at all what anyone thinks about something I like. The only thing I can't stand is when the people who hate it, don't give it a chance. If they would just give it a chance and then form thier opinion from what they watched/read then I wouldn't mind because their opinion would be honest. And yeah i agree about the Elitist Snobs , their such jerks. Bottom line, don't follow the crowd and form your own opinions. If they don't like you just because you like a series they don't like, then forget about them because their not people you would want to know anyway.
Bottom line, don't follow the crowd and form your own opinions. If they don't like you just because you like a series they don't like, then forget about them because their not people you would want to know anyway.It is impossible to improve upon perfection.
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This is an issue I feel pretty strongly about and I'm sorry to shed a bad light on some of these people, but the reason that I know how these people are motivated is that I am actually friends with people like this. We agree on plenty of other things but I am very much alone in my love of DBZ among my group. I have no intention of judging people I know nothing about. There's no denying that there are anime elitists out there and for the majority beating down DBZ is the cool thing to do.Panda wrote: What I really like to make clear is that I'm a tad astonished that some of you are as close minded as you are. Not all of you have made utterly brash and ridiculous reasons why out opposites think the way they do but those of you that did have made a lasting impression on me.
I know that there are people who simply don't enjoy it because fighting just isn't their thing or they don't like the whole one villain after another thing, but if we wanna talk about the hating on a large scale, holier than thou attitudes and ignorance is certainly the case.
I'm also a little sorry to hear that you don't think all that highly of DBZ on a quality standpoint. I understand where you're coming from considering the inconsistency of the animation and some confusing filler but as desire pointed out, DBZ is hardly the worst in those categories. It's always going to be subjective as to whether the story elements and characters really add up to much but for me, they really do even if it's just some of that japanese love for all that is corny.
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I think you're missing part of my point.
I'm on several other forums, either by Jeannie or Panda, and I fit in fairly well with elitist groups even thoguh I have never had anything in common with any of them other than the fact that I can carry a group.
I was pointing out more that there are different reasons why certain groups of people dislike Dragonball/Z/Gt and that a some people think that because they commonly find one way of thinking negatively about DBZ it has to be everyone who dislikes DBZ's opinion.
(Also, I'm more of less attacking Vhanu. Although I like your style of arguement.)
I'm on several other forums, either by Jeannie or Panda, and I fit in fairly well with elitist groups even thoguh I have never had anything in common with any of them other than the fact that I can carry a group.
I was pointing out more that there are different reasons why certain groups of people dislike Dragonball/Z/Gt and that a some people think that because they commonly find one way of thinking negatively about DBZ it has to be everyone who dislikes DBZ's opinion.
(Also, I'm more of less attacking Vhanu. Although I like your style of arguement.)
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Well, I'll be straight with everyone right now and leave it at that.
It's like other have said, DBZ is a true gem when given a chance. It's a phenomenally deep and complex story arc that extends from an 11 year old boy interested in training to his descendant taking over the legacy of what's transpired well over a hundred years. Major plot elements from the characters' pasts catch up to them here and there, there's true drama, emotion, and evolution in the characters of the show. Problem is, it gets bashed because of the obvious reasons already stated: the majority of the show has inferior animation to today's standards, it's an anime that ended nearly 10 years ago, and there's a buttload of filler that probably gives even Toriyama a few sweat drops.
Well, I'll say it like it is. The show was running on a weekly basis for 11 years trying to stay in tune with its corresponding manga, its developers were also handling other shows, DB/Z movies, etc. Needless to say there was a budget and limitation there. Hell, Toei always had to use different studios for the animation of each episode till the start of GT. Also, concerning the filler whines...sure they're the stare-downs, powering-up incidents, Fake Namek, and whatnot; but there are some true gems in their own right here and there. Hell, while an anime purist I am, I have studied up on the manga and read quite the number of volumes way back, so I know for a fact that Toei did a pretty damn good job staying close to the manga in comparison with other anime titles I could name.
But overall, if anyone still wants to bash the show, that's their own right. We all have opinions, albeit some people have pretty strangely thought-out ones. If anyone wants to criticize me for still enjoying DBZ, I'll give 'em the cold shoulder and keep in mind the massive sales of video games and DVD releases in both Japan and North America. Now if they wanna crack on my Mom, that's a different story. *puts fists up*
And Carly, I may have seen that same episode of X-Play. They were reviewing GT Transformation and telling the viewers not to email them with bitching complaints for the negative review. Well, they still admit Budokai 3 is a pants creaming game, so there ya' go.
It's like other have said, DBZ is a true gem when given a chance. It's a phenomenally deep and complex story arc that extends from an 11 year old boy interested in training to his descendant taking over the legacy of what's transpired well over a hundred years. Major plot elements from the characters' pasts catch up to them here and there, there's true drama, emotion, and evolution in the characters of the show. Problem is, it gets bashed because of the obvious reasons already stated: the majority of the show has inferior animation to today's standards, it's an anime that ended nearly 10 years ago, and there's a buttload of filler that probably gives even Toriyama a few sweat drops.
Well, I'll say it like it is. The show was running on a weekly basis for 11 years trying to stay in tune with its corresponding manga, its developers were also handling other shows, DB/Z movies, etc. Needless to say there was a budget and limitation there. Hell, Toei always had to use different studios for the animation of each episode till the start of GT. Also, concerning the filler whines...sure they're the stare-downs, powering-up incidents, Fake Namek, and whatnot; but there are some true gems in their own right here and there. Hell, while an anime purist I am, I have studied up on the manga and read quite the number of volumes way back, so I know for a fact that Toei did a pretty damn good job staying close to the manga in comparison with other anime titles I could name.
But overall, if anyone still wants to bash the show, that's their own right. We all have opinions, albeit some people have pretty strangely thought-out ones. If anyone wants to criticize me for still enjoying DBZ, I'll give 'em the cold shoulder and keep in mind the massive sales of video games and DVD releases in both Japan and North America. Now if they wanna crack on my Mom, that's a different story. *puts fists up*
And Carly, I may have seen that same episode of X-Play. They were reviewing GT Transformation and telling the viewers not to email them with bitching complaints for the negative review. Well, they still admit Budokai 3 is a pants creaming game, so there ya' go.
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I don't know what it is... but simply because I like Dragonball Z, my cousin AUTOMATICALLY hates it. And refuses to watch it. He knows that it's a famous anime- but his hatred only intensifies as he learns that it has more followers than previously thought. I'm thinking that he doesn't want to be proved wrong- that Dragonball Z is actually an excellent series- so he can retain his "I'm always right" attitude. 
But then again... I hate Harry Potter for the same kind of reason: it's successful and has LOADS of fans. I think it was the constant advertising and my realisation that the author made great amounts of money that I instinctively disliked it. So I guess the saying "when you're on top there's envy, people will hate you when you're successful" is somewhat true. I'm NEVER gonna give Harry Potter a chance. Nope. You can't change me. The more the people say "watch it, it's cool", the more I try to avoid it. When I do watch it, I don't have an open mind- I hold a grudge against it.
Oh dear. Anyway, now that I know there's people like YOU representing the series so nicely... I feel shielded and don't really mind. I used to get quite angry when the show was being disrespected, and felt that I was the only one trying to bring it justice.
Just remember: IT'S THEIR LOSS!
But then again... I hate Harry Potter for the same kind of reason: it's successful and has LOADS of fans. I think it was the constant advertising and my realisation that the author made great amounts of money that I instinctively disliked it. So I guess the saying "when you're on top there's envy, people will hate you when you're successful" is somewhat true. I'm NEVER gonna give Harry Potter a chance.
Nope. You can't change me. The more the people say "watch it, it's cool", the more I try to avoid it. When I do watch it, I don't have an open mind- I hold a grudge against it.Oh dear. Anyway, now that I know there's people like YOU representing the series so nicely... I feel shielded and don't really mind.
I used to get quite angry when the show was being disrespected, and felt that I was the only one trying to bring it justice. Just remember: IT'S THEIR LOSS!
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Time for a rant methinks.
Okey dokey: I too have come across a bunch of DB and DBZ alike haters and the like. It really pisses me off to see a bunch of anime "purists" *snorts* taking the piss out of a great anime. In my opinion it is far better then some overrated shows such as Naruto and so-forth. And in all respect to Naruto fans, I'm simply making a point.
Let's face it, we wouldn't be here discussing all this if we didn't like DBZ (for me it's a way of life) and we can safely say we are the smart people who can actually give a series a chance, (I first hated One Piece for example and now I love it.) Clearly people who can say that DBZ is awful are the idiots, but we can forgive them and hope they see the light.
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Okey dokey: I too have come across a bunch of DB and DBZ alike haters and the like. It really pisses me off to see a bunch of anime "purists" *snorts* taking the piss out of a great anime. In my opinion it is far better then some overrated shows such as Naruto and so-forth. And in all respect to Naruto fans, I'm simply making a point.
Let's face it, we wouldn't be here discussing all this if we didn't like DBZ (for me it's a way of life) and we can safely say we are the smart people who can actually give a series a chance, (I first hated One Piece for example and now I love it.) Clearly people who can say that DBZ is awful are the idiots, but we can forgive them and hope they see the light.
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