The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Pocket-God]

Who you think would win in a match between
Two Metal Coolers and Android 17 and 18?

[Captain Space]

Who you think would win in a match between
Two Metal Coolers and Android 17 and 18?

The androids would start with a reasonably large power advantage, but they'd probably mess around enough that the Meta-Coolers would get a self-repair-power-up or two and reach about their level; at which point they'd win due to semi-regeneration, Instant Transmission and I guess the tail doesn't hurt.

[DBZAOTA482]

Pigero vs. Mr. Satan and Videl

[RandomGuy96]

Gohan vs. Dabura, if the fight continued.

Gohan.

Dabra in no way could overwhelm Gohan, despite the latter being extremely rusty. The gap is significant enough that Dabra couldn't inflict any damage to Gohan to go towards Majin Boo.

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

A battle's outcome (especially between people relatively close) is not decided by power alone, Dabra was never able to even touch Gohan aside from sneak attacks, and never dared fighting hand to hand. He also has magic.

Also compare Gohan tanking Dabra's blast as opposed to Dabra fearing Gohan's Kamehameha and actually wanting to dodge it, something someone arrogant and very close in power would not do.

[Noah]

New matches:

- Mr. Satan x General Blue (No Psychic)
- Dodoria x Guldo
- Zarbon (Monster) x Guldo
- Janemba x Fat Boo
- Super Janemba x Kid Boo
- Second Form Freeza (RoF) x LSSJ Broly (M10)

[Lord Beerus]

New matches:

- Mr. Satan x General Blue (No Psychic)
- Dodoria x Guldo
- Zarbon (Monster) x Guldo
- Janemba x Fat Boo
- Super Janemba x Kid Boo
- Second Form Freeza (RoF) x LSSJ Broly (M10)

- Mr Satan gets his ass handed to him
- Guldo freezes time and kills Dodoria
- Fat Boo turns Janemba into candy
- I'd give that to Kid Boo.
- Broly gets stomped.

[Noah]

- Guldo freezes time and kills Dodoria

Zarbon too?

[Pocket-God]

New matches:

- Mr. Satan x General Blue (No Psychic)
- Dodoria x Guldo
- Zarbon (Monster) x Guldo
- Janemba x Fat Boo
- Super Janemba x Kid Boo
- Second Form Freeza (RoF) x LSSJ Broly (M10)

-Mr.Satan
-Guldo
-Zarbon
-Buu
-Jenemba
-Broly

[Lord Beerus]

- Guldo freezes time and kills Dodoria

Zarbon too?

Yeah, Zarbon too.

[Saiga]

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

Where in the manga was the hit shown to move the meter? I'm rereading it right now and the only time we see the meter it's stationary. Unless you're comparing the position it was in right after Gohan's energy was first added and where it was while Babidi complained, which is fair enough but I think it's very likely that's just an inconsistency. Only the first panel is a clear view, and even though it's easy to tell its in a different position in the second panel, Toriyama could have just fucked it up while drawing in a less clear perspective. His art does often have such inconsistencies.

Furthermore, there's no mention of a change in the dialogue, meaning it's just that difference vs Gohan having no visible injuries. I'll go with Gohan appearing uninjured because that's much clearer. Also, I wouldn't trust Dabra's confidence, because their energy sensing methods are clearly not entirely reliable. There's also nowhere that shows Dabra consulted the amount of damage he did. Meanwhile, ki sensing is way more reliable, and Kaioshin is confident Gohan can defeat Dabra.

edit: Dabra definitely didn't consult that. He used the fact that he had fought Gohan before as his basis for his confidence.

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

A battle's outcome (especially between people relatively close) is not decided by power alone, Dabra was never able to even touch Gohan aside from sneak attacks, and never dared fighting hand to hand. He also has magic.

Also compare Gohan tanking Dabra's blast as opposed to Dabra fearing Gohan's Kamehameha and actually wanting to dodge it, something someone arrogant and very close in power would not do.

I hadn't taken the Kamehameha into consideration. With that, I do believe Gohan would win. Re-reading that scene, Dabra even reacts to Gohan powering up for the Kamehameha, so I'm not sure Gohan was even using his full power against Dabra originally.

[ZombieVito]

For anyone who saw todays episode of DBS.

Galby vs BoD Goku.

[RandomGuy96]

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

Where in the manga was the hit shown to move the meter? I'm rereading it right now and the only time we see the meter it's stationary. Unless you're comparing the position it was in right after Gohan's energy was first added and where it was while Babidi complained, which is fair enough but I think it's very likely that's just an inconsistency.

That's what I'm doing, yes.

Furthermore, there's no mention of a change in the dialogue, meaning it's just that difference vs Gohan having no visible injuries. I'll go with Gohan appearing uninjured because that's much clearer.

Someone being visibly uninjured doesn't mean they actually were uninjured. People have died from blunt force wounds that don't appear to have actually "damaged" them.

Also, I wouldn't trust Dabra's confidence, because their energy sensing methods are clearly not entirely reliable. There's also nowhere that shows Dabra consulted the amount of damage he did. Meanwhile, ki sensing is way more reliable, and Kaioshin is confident Gohan can defeat Dabra.

edit: Dabra definitely didn't consult that. He used the fact that he had fought Gohan before as his basis for his confidence.

Sorry, I was just don't think anybody is stupid enough to look at a damage-measuring device, see that they're literally incapable of harming their opponent, and then think "yes, I can win" anyway. Nor do I think that Dabra being incapable of damaging Gohan makes any sense. They weren't far apart in speed, they were apparently fighting hand to hand to hand off-screen without Dabra getting owned (all we see is Dabra blocking some punches then getting launched by a kick), both their attacks have similar effects on each other, and Gohan's punch also didn't inflict visible damage on Dabra. Heck, if anything Dabra's blast did more to Gohan than Gohan's punch did to him, since Gohan actually appears to have been stunned for several seconds. It probably hurt a lot.

I hadn't taken the Kamehameha into consideration. With that, I do believe Gohan would win. Re-reading that scene, Dabra even reacts to Gohan powering up for the Kamehameha, so I'm not sure Gohan was even using his full power against Dabra originally.

He was reacting to Gohan actually doing something, not his power. Dabra can't sense ki.

He could. The one hit he landed shown on the meter to have damage Gohan. He just didn't inflict the amount of damage Babidi wanted in the time Babidi wanted. Despite this, and having access to a tool that actually measured the amount of damage he did, Dabra's still confident about defeating Gohan in their second duel which never happened.

A battle's outcome (especially between people relatively close) is not decided by power alone, Dabra was never able to even touch Gohan aside from sneak attacks, and never dared fighting hand to hand. He also has magic.

Also compare Gohan tanking Dabra's blast as opposed to Dabra fearing Gohan's Kamehameha and actually wanting to dodge it, something someone arrogant and very close in power would not do.

I never said he was stronger than Gohan, just that he would win their fight and was capable of damaging him. A generic one-handed blast =/= a charged "finisher". It's like saying that Raditz being killed by the SBC is a plot hole, because he tanked Piccolo's blast earlier.

[Captain Space]

Dabra can't sense ki.

Eh? Then how did he know who to choose when Babidi told him to eliminate the weakest of their opponents?

[dbgtFO]

Dabra can't sense ki.

Eh? Then how did he know who to choose when Babidi told him to eliminate the weakest of their opponents?

Some form of magic most likely.
Toriyama doesn't delve into it at all, but I always thought it made the most sense, that Babidi used his crystal ball to see who could provide the energy needed.

[Captain Space]

Some form of magic most likely.
Toriyama doesn't delve into it at all, but I always thought it made the most sense, that Babidi used his crystal ball to see who could provide the energy needed.

That seems like a much more roundabout explanation than just assuming he can sense ki. If a fighter in Dragon Ball is shown being able to make a decision on which of a group of opponents is the strongest, isn't ki-sensing the default assumption you'd make?

[dbgtFO]

Some form of magic most likely.
Toriyama doesn't delve into it at all, but I always thought it made the most sense, that Babidi used his crystal ball to see who could provide the energy needed.

That seems like a much more roundabout explanation than just assuming he can sense ki. If a fighter in Dragon Ball is shown being able to make a decision on which of a group of opponents is the strongest, isn't ki-sensing the default assumption you'd make?

Obviously, but the reason why the default assumption in this specific case seems off is the fact, that Babidi and Dabra thought Pui Pui could accomplish something against those 3, who had enough power to revive Buu, but as is made clear Pui Pui is a joke compared to even the base Saiyans, who wouldn't have contributed anything meaningful at all to Buu's egg. Even Yakon pales in comparison to Super Saiyan Goku, but it takes the power of Super Saiyan 2 to do anything relevant to Buu's energy meter.
Despite Babidi and Dabra's unfathomable miscalculations about the Saiyans' power, they were still correct that those 3 did have enough power to revive Buu, but Goku, Vegeta and Gohan were only in base, when they came to that conclusion.
I mean we can assume that Babidi just plainly had no idea how much energy was needed and so he thought guys on the level of Pui Pui would be enough and he is later surprised about Goku's 3,000 kiri reading, but I like to think that it wasn't a complete coincidence, that Babidi and Dabra ended up being right after all and so I just have that as my head-canon.
Basically Babidi and Dabra have no idea that it takes energy way above 3,000 kiri to revive Buu, but somehow they still manage to correctly predict that the 3 Saiyans would provide enough energy, despite the Saiyans being far below that, when the prediction was made. Thus for it to be a bit consistent something other than normal ki sensing might be going on.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Dabra can't sense ki.

Eh? Then how did he know who to choose when Babidi told him to eliminate the weakest of their opponents?

Some form of magic most likely.

That's most likely it, since Goku & co. were completely suppressed, he shouldn't be able to sense them through normal ki sensing.

[Captain Space]

Some form of magic most likely.
Toriyama doesn't delve into it at all, but I always thought it made the most sense, that Babidi used his crystal ball to see who could provide the energy needed.

That seems like a much more roundabout explanation than just assuming he can sense ki. If a fighter in Dragon Ball is shown being able to make a decision on which of a group of opponents is the strongest, isn't ki-sensing the default assumption you'd make?

Obviously, but the reason why the default assumption in this specific case seems off is the fact, that Babidi and Dabra thought Pui Pui could accomplish something against those 3, who had enough power to revive Buu, but as is made clear Pui Pui is a joke compared to even the base Saiyans, who wouldn't have contributed anything meaningful at all to Buu's egg. Even Yakon pales in comparison to Super Saiyan Goku, but it takes the power of Super Saiyan 2 to do anything relevant to Buu's energy meter.
Despite Babidi and Dabra's unfathomable miscalculations about the Saiyans' power, they were still correct that those 3 did have enough power to revive Buu, but Goku, Vegeta and Gohan were only in base, when they came to that conclusion.
I mean we can assume that Babidi just plainly had no idea how much energy was needed and so he thought guys on the level of Pui Pui would be enough and he is later surprised about Goku's 3,000 kiri reading, but I like to think that it wasn't a complete coincidence, that Babidi and Dabra ended up being right after all and so I just have that as my head-canon.
Basically Babidi and Dabra have no idea that it takes energy way above 3,000 kiri to revive Buu, but somehow they still manage to correctly predict that the 3 Saiyans would provide enough energy, despite the Saiyans being far below that, when the prediction was made. Thus for it to be a bit consistent something other than normal ki sensing might be going on.

That's a good point; I'm still gonna go with "Dabura can sense ki, but isn't good at telling how much people are suppressed, and Toriyama just didn't think the whole thing through very well in terms of how much people were suppressed, how much the villains knew, how much energy Buu needed, etc.", though your point is a reasonable in-universe explanation. I'd just prefer not to assume something like that myself.

[LightBing]

Master Roshi and Yajirobe vs Tenshinhan - All characters with their 22nd TB strength

Piccolo (Super) vs 2 Cell Jrs