Toei!Chi-Chi - not funny

[DBZAOTA482]

Chi-Chi isn't even the worst case of what VegettoEX described above. She at least genuinely cares about her family, it's just her way of going about it is a bit over the top.

For any fans of Assassination Classroom reading this, I think we can all agree on someone much worse.

She's not even worse case of flanderization in Super. *stares furiously at Mr. Boo*

[Doctor.]

Once again, Mr. Boo is completely in-character. He is an asshole.

[DBZAOTA482]

Once again, Mr. Boo is completely in-character. He is an asshole.

No, the EoZ anime and GT Mr. Boo is in-character. He was childish and naive but still a good person/good friend to Mr. Satan as shown after befriending Mr. Satan. Super Mr. Boo is just a selfish douche.

[Doctor.]

Once again, Mr. Boo is completely in-character. He is an asshole.

No, the EoZ anime and GT Mr. Boo is in-character. He was childish and naive but still a good person/friend to Mr. Satan as shown after befriending Mr. Satan. Super Mr. Boo is just a selfish douche.

Mr. Boo in the anime slapped Mr. Satan out of the way to fight Kid Boo. Toei is treating him the same way they always have, you're just opting to look at the times Mr. Boo was kind, and not the parts where he was a dick. Are you implying Mr. Satan and Boo aren't friends in Super?

[DBZAOTA482]

Once again, Mr. Boo is completely in-character. He is an asshole.

No, the EoZ anime and GT Mr. Boo is in-character. He was childish and naive but still a good person/friend to Mr. Satan as shown after befriending Mr. Satan. Super Mr. Boo is just a selfish douche.

Mr. Boo in the anime slapped Mr. Satan out of the way to fight Kid Boo. Toei is treating him the same way they always have, you're just opting to look at the times Mr. Boo was kind, and not the parts where he was a dick. Are you implying Mr. Satan and Boo aren't friends in Super?

Good point, but do you have any other instances?

I didn't mean to say they aren't friends in Super but Boo clearly treats him like shit.

[Doctor.]

Good point, but do you have any other instances?

I didn't mean to say they aren't friends in Super but Boo clearly treats him like shit.

Sure. Both in the manga and anime, Fat Boo treated Mr. Satan like a slave, making him clean his house, cook food for him and etc. EVEN when Mr. Satan befriended him and convinced him not to kill. You can say, "oh, but that's FAT Boo, not Mr. Boo", but Fat Boo's evil intentions were never that prominent to begin with.

[DBZAOTA482]

Good point, but do you have any other instances?

I didn't mean to say they aren't friends in Super but Boo clearly treats him like shit.

Sure. Both in the manga and anime, Fat Boo treated Mr. Satan like a slave, making him clean his house, cook food for him and etc. EVEN when Mr. Satan befriended him and convinced him not to kill. You can say, "oh, but that's FAT Boo, not Mr. Boo", but Fat Boo's evil intentions were never that prominent to begin with.

Mr. Satan did all that stuff voluntarily. It's only before Mr. Satan told Boo kill was wrong and befriending where he ever felt obligated (and Boo didn't even make do all that). Not to mention Mr. Boo gave Mr. Satan candy for being nice to him and they shared a bond between a dog, even shouting for him to leave when his evil was being exiled.

Another thing with Super is that Mr. Boo isn't even jolly anymore.

[TheUltimateVegito]

I could imagine it getting worse. Super seems like the show that'd make her a main villain.

Unless maybe she's just going through menopause or her demon half is coming through and needs to be exiled.

I don't want it to get worse. I don't want her to become a villain. Gokû's overall been written so sweet-hearted in Super that seeing him emotionally abused by Chi-Chi in a way where it comes out played straight is awful. When Gokû's reaction is pitiable instead of comedic, it makes his family situation come across as darker, sadder, and more realistic than I want to believe the writer intended.

"I give up...Doesn't look like I'll be able to come home today...I'm so hungry..." *sits down on the grass, leans his back up against his house and stares up at the night sky*.
That's awful to end on! Do we even get to find out what happens next? Does he stay there all night? Does he teleport to Bulma's or Kame House to try to get dinner there? Does Chi-Chi see him out there, realize how afraid she's made him, and goes to apologize for all we know?

This is going to bother me all week until the next episode starts.

At least in BOG where he's more of a troll he gets punished for being a troll (Bulma slapping Gokû in a well-deserved manner over that mean-taunt comment he made while Vegeta cheers Bulma on.)
The way things are going in Super, if this was a more serious show, Gokû'd spill what's been happening to him lately to Kuririn and an intervention would be staged.

It's sad because I know Chi-Chi can be written better than this.

Come to think of it, is Gyu-Mao/Ox King an actual oni of some sort? It'd explain Chi-Chi's strength. I guess that's discussion for another topic.

Makes me wonder what punishment could ChiChi have to possibly make Goku this scared.

[Chuquita]

She said she was gonna "rest him up nice and good", maybe she was gonna strap him to his bed or lock him inside somewhere. If I wanted to go really dark I'd say hitting him with a sedative.

I could come up with a lot of guesses, but I can't tell where they're taking her character anymore making it harder to see where her boundaries are.

[TheUltimateVegito]

She said she was gonna "rest him up nice and good", maybe she was gonna strap him to his bed or lock him inside somewhere. If I wanted to go really dark I'd say hitting him with a sedative.

I could come up with a lot of guesses, but I can't tell where they're taking her character anymore making it harder to see where her boundaries are.

I wonder how she'd be able to tame someone as strong as Goku outside the use of drugs. Maybe she used Kachin or something lol.

I'm sure Goku would act differently if it was that bad (i.e be more sceptical of ChiChi) and would be prepared for any cynical schemes ChiChi has in store. This is the same Goku who can make food for himself without the need of any household products if he really wanted to. Unless ChiChi used some sort of drug to prevent him from doing that too, which is just unnecessary to say the least.

I think the comedy of the scene stems from the melodrama. Because that is not how Goku would react if they were utilizing his character seriously.

[DBZAOTA482]

She said she was gonna "rest him up nice and good", maybe she was gonna strap him to his bed or lock him inside somewhere. If I wanted to go really dark I'd say hitting him with a sedative.

I could come up with a lot of guesses, but I can't tell where they're taking her character anymore making it harder to see where her boundaries are.

I wonder how she'd be able to tame someone as strong as Goku outside the use of drugs. Maybe she used Kachin or something lol.

I'm sure Goku would act differently if it was that bad (i.e be more sceptical of ChiChi) and would be prepared for any cynical schemes ChiChi has in store. This is the same Goku who can make food for himself without the need of any household products if he really wanted to. Unless ChiChi used some sort of drug to prevent him from doing that too, which is just unnecessary to say the least.

I think the comedy of the scene stems from the melodrama. Because that is not how Goku would react if they were utilizing his character seriously.

Abuse comes in more ways than physical.

[TheUltimateVegito]

She said she was gonna "rest him up nice and good", maybe she was gonna strap him to his bed or lock him inside somewhere. If I wanted to go really dark I'd say hitting him with a sedative.

I could come up with a lot of guesses, but I can't tell where they're taking her character anymore making it harder to see where her boundaries are.

I wonder how she'd be able to tame someone as strong as Goku outside the use of drugs. Maybe she used Kachin or something lol.

I'm sure Goku would act differently if it was that bad (i.e be more sceptical of ChiChi) and would be prepared for any cynical schemes ChiChi has in store. This is the same Goku who can make food for himself without the need of any household products if he really wanted to. Unless ChiChi used some sort of drug to prevent him from doing that too, which is just unnecessary to say the least.

I think the comedy of the scene stems from the melodrama. Because that is not how Goku would react if they were utilizing his character seriously.

Abuse comes in more ways than physical.

True that. But what kind of abuse would actually affect someone like Goku?

[DBZAOTA482]

True that. But what kind of abuse would actually affect someone like Goku?

Emotional and verbal abuse.

[Doctor.]

True that. But what kind of abuse would actually affect someone like Goku?

Emotional and verbal abuse.

If not for the gag aspects of the series, realistically Goku wouldn't care less about ANY kind of emotional or verbal abuse thrown at him. He simply ISN'T that kind of person. And since we know Chi-Chi, outside of the magic of gag scenes, doesn't have the strength to physically hurt Goku, there should be nothing she can do to him.

[TheUltimateVegito]

True that. But what kind of abuse would actually affect someone like Goku?

Emotional and verbal abuse.

If not for the gag aspects of the series, realistically Goku wouldn't care less about ANY kind of emotional or verbal abuse thrown at him. He simply ISN'T that kind of person. And since we know Chi-Chi, outside of the magic of gag scenes, doesn't have the strength to physically hurt Goku, there should be nothing she can do to him.

Exactly. Only physical abuse can realistically affect Goku. But who knows, maybe ChiChi is like a female Popo and is secretly the strongest in the universe. She does know Kaioken after all.

[ParkerAL]

If not for the gag aspects of the series, realistically Goku wouldn't care less about ANY kind of emotional or verbal abuse thrown at him. He simply ISN'T that kind of person. And since we know Chi-Chi, outside of the magic of gag scenes, doesn't have the strength to physically hurt Goku, there should be nothing she can do to him.

The "gag aspects" of Dragon Ball are not something that can be seperated from the logic of the story. Clearly, Goku doesn't enjoy having Chi Chi angry at him. It doesn't matter if it's played for laughs or not. The series shows us evidence of it, making it an undeniable aspect of Goku's character (albeit one Toei tends to exagerate). Suggesting that such evidence doesn't count because it's a "gag" is the same as blatantly ignoring it.

[Retan]

Never really thought of Chi-Chi as a Gag character, she's just kinda there and they put her in, to show "this is Goku's wife, and this is how they interact" or in toriyama's case "to punish" himself.

[Chuquita]

I've read about him bringing her back to punish himself and it's something I still find difficult to understand.
( @ _ @ )
To punish himself sounds so masochistic.

If he had to marry Gokû off at that specific point in the story, Suno would've been the safer choice. (But I'm still mostly convinced that Uni 6 Vegeta is female and that Gokû's married to her in that universe. >_> ) Effectively making Uni 6 Gokû that universe's Prince of all Saiyans. :3

[andrewtuell1991]

I think the problem with Toei!Chichi started when they recasted her from Mayumi Sho to Naoko Watanabe.

Sho's Adult Chichi sounded like a warm-loving mother/wive with a hickish accent to her like Nozawa's Goku who can get angered at times, but only because she's concerned for her child. Watanabe's Chichi sounds like an unloving rage-aholic bitch who likes to yell and fuss just because and is way to obsessed with Gohan's studies.

It was when Watanabe replaced Sho that they started to flanderize Chichi in the anime. In Sho's last performance in DBZ Episode 66 Chichi wanted to get to Namek because she could sense Gohan getting the crap beat out of him by Reacoom and wanted to be there for him. When Watanabe first took over in Episode 88 she wanted to get to Namek to make sure Gohan was studying. What happened to all that motherly concern? Did it just disappear?

And who could forget this little scene from Episode 139? Her husband's on death's door from an unknown heart virus and is currently being hunted by a trio of ruthless Androids who (at the moment) are unsurpassed in power when all of the sudden she realizes Gohan could be studying at that moment and forces him to study. Jesus tapdancing christ, are you kidding me!? For those who haven't read the manga that little tidbit isn't in there.

Now, am I blaming Watanabe for Chichi's anime flanderization? Of course not, that'd be dumb. But sometimes I think the filler writers tweaked her a character a little because she couldn't quite get the same traits of Chichi as Sho could, and that tweaking just gradually evolved into flanderization.

[Relenanator]

I don't know why everyone says that Chichi is only a bitch in the anime and that she's written incorrectly when she wasn't nice in the manga either.

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