Fat Buu = or =/= Mr. Buu, Why?

[Tectorman]

I've seen a few references to a clear distinction between the Fat Buu that fought Majin Vegeta and SSJ3 Goku and the Mr. Buu that fought Kid Buu. While I do think there is some difference between the two, I don't get the impression that the distinction that I'm drawing is the same one I'm seeing referenced on theseboards.

My impression:
Watching the series, I figured Fat Buu for having a certain amount of power. He has a dark side hidden within, its own power separate from his. It was dormant but began to wake up when Bee was shot. It woke up fully when Hercule (I want to go on record saying how annoying it is to have that character's name auto-changed like this) got shot.

Fat Buu expelled it and it took the form of Skinny Buu. I never took that as any kind of diminishment of Fat Buu's power. He no longer had a dark side and his temperament for battle could not match Skinny Buu's, but I never figured he got weaker.

I.e.,
Fat Buu v. Majin Vegeta & SSJ3 Goku: Power 5 Demeanor 2
Skinny Buu (dormant inside Fat Buu): Power 6 Demeanor 5

Fat Buu expels Skinny Buu
Fat Buu: Power 5 Demeanor 2
Skinny Buu (active and outside): Power 6 Demeanor 5

Fat Buu fights Kid Buu
Fat Buu: Power 5 Demeanor 2
Kid Buu: Power 8 Demeanor 8

After Kid Buu is defeated, Vegeta still wants to finish Fat Buu off, just in case he expels his dark side again and starts the process all over again. However, Kid Buu's soul was arguably already in the process of being reincarnated (not that Vegeta would have been aware of it at the time).

I think Kid Buu was a component of Fat Buu's previous dark side. And since he's no longer a factor, I think the difference between Fat Buu and the so-called Mr. Buu is what kind of dark side they might manifest. Fat Buu might expel a dark side like he did earlier (which was what Vegeta wanted to avoid and what Goku decided to train harder in order to beat), but it wouldn't be the same dark side, because Kid Buu's soul is otherwise occupied.

I.e.,
post-Kid Buu fight Fat Buu: Power 5 Demeanor 2
theoretical new potential Skinny Buu: Power 5 Demeanor 4

While Fat Buu might create another Skinny Buu, which might absorb him and create another Super Buu, it wouldn't be the same Super Buu that had Kid Buu's soul within him.

That's what I always thought was the difference between Fat Buu at the beginning and Fat Buu at the end.

The viewpoint that I think I'm seeing on these boards:
Fat Buu's power was split (and remained diminished) when he expelled Skinny Buu.

I don't get where this view comes from, though. Why and how would his power have split? What's this based on? Can someone explain it?

[dbgtFO]

I don't get where this view comes from, though. Why and how would his power have split? What's this based on? Can someone explain it?

The Narrator states the Evil one got most of the power, during the split(paraphrased), so it would be that.
What I'm questioning is how strong Mr. Buu really is and how we are supposed to interpret Fat Buu powering up, when he gets angry, ie.

Is the power Fat Buu reaches, when he gets angry actually the power of the Evil one, thus Mr. Buu would only have the strength sensed at his first appearance?
Or is that power something Mr. Buu can also reach, but trying to tap into power beyond that is what creates the Evil Buu, thus Mr. Buu in his fight against Pure Buu is just as strong as he was in his battles against Goku and Vegeta?

[DBZAOTA482]

Fat Boo is stronger than Kid Boo.

[Blade]

Fat Boo is stronger than Kid Boo.

That's debatable. Even as weakened as Kid Buu was (although even that still evokes much debate), there's nothing to suggest that he's weaker than Fat Buu, who Goku made sport of as a Super Saiyan 3. On the other hand, Kid Buu gave him a real fight - even before he ran out power.

[Blackstripe]

I believe they have basically the same power, but it's due to Super Buu giving him "special treatment" (his words).

When Grey Buu split from Fat Buu, he clearly had some Dai Kaioshin still in him, thus the clothes. The other Buu, "Good Buu", was weaker than the whole Fat Buu. When Mr. Buu was removed from Super Buu, though, he didn't become Grey Buu. He became a pure Majin, without any Kaioshin influence inside of him.

I think that's because Super Buu stuffed all of his Kaioshin power into Good Buu, creating Mr. Buu. Mr. Buu, unlike his original Fat Buu form, can access the full power of his Kaioshin-derived ki, and this compensates for the loss of his evil side.

[LightBing]

I have them different.
It's better if I describe all Boo's, to better illustrate my perspective. Chronologically in-Universe.

- Pure Boo is the original Boo.
- Buff Boo is when he absorbed South Kaioshin. (Pure Boo + South Kaioshin)
- Fat Boo is when he absorbs Dai Kaioshin, which causes a power reduction and personality change due to it's influence.(Pure Boo + South Kaioshin + Dai Kaioshin)
Because so many years passed Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin were completely absorbed. So they couldn't be saved like Gohan, Piccolo and the kids were.

- Evil Boo is Pure Boo without it's abilities (Regeneration, Bubblegum body, etc..) with 60%/70% of Fat Boo's power. (Pure Boo without it's abilities)
- Mr. Boo is basically Fat Boo without evil and with less power around 40%/30% of the former version.
- Super Boo is Pure Boo after absorbing Mr Boo. (Pure Boo + Mr.Boo)

The main difference is that Fat Boo still had some evil in him, which contributed to his power.

[LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta]

Toriyama clearly didn't make buu's power clear XD

They need to explain this somehow so people can stop being at odds over this.

[Scarlet Spider]

Mr.Buu took a lot of blows from Beerus. He's gotta be up there in power. He still kept getting up.

Also, if Mr.Buu capable of becoming evil again or is he completely good/temperamental?

[Hugo Boss]

The viewpoint that I think I'm seeing on these boards:
Fat Buu's power was split (and remained diminished) when he expelled Skinny Buu.

I don't get where this view comes from, though. Why and how would his power have split? What's this based on? Can someone explain it?

The narrator says most of Boo's power went to the evil one. That's probably where it comes from. In the light of what you said upper in your post..

Spoiler:

After Kid Buu is defeated, Vegeta still wants to finish Fat Buu off, just in case he expels his dark side again and starts the process all over again.

...Vegeta may have thought Fat Boo could produce another evil Boo like the one they just defeated. And when I say like that one, it's a Boo with the same power. That seems logical if you think Fat Boo's power becomes greater after they rejoin in the form of Super Boo.

[Tectorman]

The viewpoint that I think I'm seeing on these boards:
Fat Buu's power was split (and remained diminished) when he expelled Skinny Buu.

I don't get where this view comes from, though. Why and how would his power have split? What's this based on? Can someone explain it?

The narrator says most of Boo's power went to the evil one. That's probably where it comes from. But I think in the light of what you said upper in your post..

So it's a translation thing? The Viz version just seemed to chalk it up to Fat Buu's mindset (what I referred to as "demeanor" above) and how his sweetness didn't compare to Skinny Buu's rage.

Except I have to wonder if it isn't ultimately the same thing as what I said, just framed differently.

Fat Buu, pre-split: Power 11 (6 unavailable, tied to dark side)

Fat Buu, post-split: Power 5

[Darkprince410]

So it's a translation thing? The Viz version just seemed to chalk it up to Fat Buu's mindset (what I referred to as "demeanor" above) and how his sweetness didn't compare to Skinny Buu's rage.

Yeah, in the original dialogue, it's specifically a matter of strength.

Narrator: “The original Majin Boo had no chance of winning...This was because during the split, the majority of the power went to the evil one…"

[ZombieVito]

It's a headache.

I just settled with having Good Buu get is full power back after being spit out by Kid Buu.

[Hugo Boss]

The viewpoint that I think I'm seeing on these boards:
Fat Buu's power was split (and remained diminished) when he expelled Skinny Buu.

I don't get where this view comes from, though. Why and how would his power have split? What's this based on? Can someone explain it?

The narrator says most of Boo's power went to the evil one. That's probably where it comes from. But I think in the light of what you said upper in your post..

So it's a translation thing? The Viz version just seemed to chalk it up to Fat Buu's mindset (what I referred to as "demeanor" above) and how his sweetness didn't compare to Skinny Buu's rage.

Yeah, but I guess you can go by the official translation too. The idea of Boo's mindset is not totally different from the original context. The Fat Boo is called innocent, while the Skinny Boo is called pure evil. In my opinion, Fat Boo still had traits of evil that could make his power greater through rage and when his new heart became incompatible with that kind of power he expelled. That's probably why the rejoined Boo is stronger than his previous versions.

[apex_pretador]

Fat buu is weaker than Mr buu.

Take fat buu = A
Mr buu = B
Kid buu = C
Super buu = D
Grey evil buu = E
Buff buu = F


So, my opinion here:
F = B + C
D = A + E
A = B - evil suppression = C - good suppression = D - Fat kaioshin
So, logically, Mr buu is more unrestrained than fat buu, so he has more power.
Also, he could fight kid buu better than SS3 goku and SS2 vegeta combined. Fat buu was one shot material for SS3 goku.