"(Super) Dragon Ball Heroes" Official Discussion Thread

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Different enough to warrant the double post. In honor of the 5th anniversary, it seems Victory Mission is continuing...in some format.

I'd love a proper overview from someone capable of understanding it, but it seems the chapters are going to be uploaded to read digitally. Looks like we'll get one chapter a day as a countdown(?) to the new, chapter 29 on 11/19? Plus, maybe a special 5th anniversary chapter...? Unless the two chapters are one in the same...

[alakazam^]

Different enough to warrant the double post. In honor of the 5th anniversary, it seems Victory Mission is continuing...in some format.

I'd love a proper overview from someone capable of understanding it, but it seems the chapters are going to be uploaded to read digitally. Looks like we'll get one chapter a day as a countdown(?) to the new, chapter 29 on 11/19? Plus, maybe a special 5th anniversary chapter...? Unless the two chapters are one in the same...

One chapter a day until November 19th, when the 29th chapter will be released in the Official Fanbook "5th Anniversary Mission".

[TheDevilsCorpse]

That's a little disappointing, but I imagine it might be uploaded, too...eventually. I'm just happy we're getting some form of continuation, as I hate when plots are left unfinished. It also give a little bit of hope for names of the remaining (and new) avatars, since they at least have the potential to appear.

[Xeztin]

Different enough to warrant the double post. In honor of the 5th anniversary, it seems Victory Mission is continuing...in some format.

I'd love a proper overview from someone capable of understanding it, but it seems the chapters are going to be uploaded to read digitally. Looks like we'll get one chapter a day as a countdown(?) to the new, chapter 29 on 11/19? Plus, maybe a special 5th anniversary chapter...? Unless the two chapters are one in the same...

One chapter a day until November 19th, when the 29th chapter will be released in the Official Fanbook "5th Anniversary Mission".

I apologize if i'm wrong, but are you saying we get 1 chapter a day (1-28) until chapter 29? (on the site) Maybe there's going to be a big announcement on chapter 29? Wonder what it could be... Perhaps it will get it's own anime

[Darknat]

28 missions?

I thought there were only 27, not counting Gotenks special, the other special with Murasaki and Kid Goku and the Neko Majin special.

It's nice to see this back, but I wish they published this (and Super) on tankobon or something.

[VegettoEX]

Nope, there were 28 monthly chapters, along with six other bits of bonus material of various lengths -- all documented here on the site.

And here's our write-up of the news. Hopefully we'll get some details soon about how to actually GET that "official fanbook".

[Xeztin]

Right, I believe the two bonus comic's are rather hard to obtain, as I'm guessing they were given out at public events.

[Xeztin]

since the site carddass is releasing Heroes chapter scans, is it necessary wrong for someone to translate them to English and give them away as well?

[VegettoEX]

since the site carddass is releasing Heroes chapter scans, is it necessary wrong for someone to translate them to English and give them away as well?

That's a judgement call you have to make for yourself. Legally, you have zero right to be doing that.

[Xeztin]

since the site carddass is releasing Heroes chapter scans, is it necessary wrong for someone to translate them to English and give them away as well?

That's a judgement call you have to make for yourself. Legally, you have zero right to be doing that.

Right, I was rather confused, since they are being shown on Carddass for free, and if I translated them, I would be giving them away, though I think the line is to fine for me, I think it's one of those thing's where I'll leave it to someone else, which I think some group is already doing it. Not sure if they'll ever be on the forums though, simply because of that fine line.

[GoldLiger]

since the site carddass is releasing Heroes chapter scans, is it necessary wrong for someone to translate them to English and give them away as well?

That's a judgement call you have to make for yourself. Legally, you have zero right to be doing that.

Right, I was rather confused, since they are being shown on Carddass for free, and if I translated them, I would be giving them away, though I think the line is to fine for me, I think it's one of those thing's where I'll leave it to someone else, which I think some group is already doing it. Not sure if they'll ever be on the forums though, simply because of that fine line.

If you translate any scan that was shown online for free and show it to all FOR FREE then you be in the clear. The reason for this is two fold:

1) Heroes is a Japan only game/manga
2) You aren't getting revenue for this at all

As long as you don't sell it then Dimps/Toei has no legal right to sue you or anyone who translates their scans for those to view it that belongs to countries outside of Japan.

[Darknat]

Right, I was rather confused, since they are being shown on Carddass for free, and if I translated them, I would be giving them away, though I think the line is to fine for me, I think it's one of those thing's where I'll leave it to someone else, which I think some group is already doing it. Not sure if they'll ever be on the forums though, simply because of that fine line.

If you translate any scan that was shown online for free and show it to all FOR FREE then you be in the clear. The reason for this is two fold:

1) Heroes is a Japan only game/manga
2) You aren't getting revenue for this at all

As long as you don't sell it then Dimps/Toei has no legal right to sue you or anyone who translates their scans for those to view it that belongs to countries outside of Japan.

That doesn't work like that. It still has a copyright and still is owned by the Toei/shuesia or whatever company holds the rights. The ones that can legally release it for free arer them, not anyone else.

They may not take action, but it's still not legal to do it.


Anyways, I would really like to see those extra chapters as well. At least they could release them on Tankobon or something. This is a problem I have with all this new material. Ever since that Manga that covered the 2008 Special, all new mangas have not been sold separately (not counting Dragon Ball SD, and even then the original individual chapters have not been released).

[GoldLiger]

Right, I was rather confused, since they are being shown on Carddass for free, and if I translated them, I would be giving them away, though I think the line is to fine for me, I think it's one of those thing's where I'll leave it to someone else, which I think some group is already doing it. Not sure if they'll ever be on the forums though, simply because of that fine line.

If you translate any scan that was shown online for free and show it to all FOR FREE then you be in the clear. The reason for this is two fold:

1) Heroes is a Japan only game/manga
2) You aren't getting revenue for this at all

As long as you don't sell it then Dimps/Toei has no legal right to sue you or anyone who translates their scans for those to view it that belongs to countries outside of Japan.

That doesn't work like that. It still has a copyright and still is owned by the Toei/shuesia or whatever company holds the rights. The ones that can legally release it for free arer them, not anyone else.

They may not take action, but it's still not legal to do it.


Anyways, I would really like to see those extra chapters as well. At least they could release them on Tankobon or something. This is a problem I have with all this new material. Ever since that Manga that covered the 2008 Special, all new mangas have not been sold separately (not counting Dragon Ball SD, and even then the original individual chapters have not been released).

They won't take action since DB Heroes in general is Japan only. Copyright only truly works on people who SELL IP NOT BELONGING TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

If DB Heroes DOES come out outside of Japan THEN and only THEN can the copyright actually work. People tend to forget these days that copyright only works when revenue is gained. Any judge will close the case immediately since from their perspective the one who does the translating has done no wrong at all.

It's like if I take a Snickers bar that I got for free and posted a image of it on the internet with no revenue being generating from that act.

So in conclusion:

"Copyright is a law that prevents people from gaining revenue of other people's legally own property"

That is all and take care for today.

[TripleRach]

They won't take action since DB Heroes in general is Japan only. Copyright only truly works on people who SELL IP NOT BELONGING TO THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE.

If DB Heroes DOES come out outside of Japan THEN and only THEN can the copyright actually work. People tend to forget these days that copyright only works when revenue is gained. Any judge will close the case immediately since from their perspective the one who does the translating has done no wrong at all.

It's like if I take a Snickers bar that I got for free and posted a image of it on the internet with no revenue being generating from that act.

So in conclusion:

"Copyright is a law that prevents people from gaining revenue of other people's legally own property"

That is all and take care for today.

Whether it's free or for profit is irrelevant. Copyrights are about giving creators control and protection for their creations. Only the rights holder (presumably Shueisha) has the legal right to distribute their product. It doesn't matter what your intention is. You are not the copyright holder or a licensed distributor. It also doesn't matter if it's available in your country or language. Copyright laws are respected internationally.

People have been taken to court for freely distributing copies of music, TV, or movies. The judges didn't instantly throw out the case. And a lot of music and TV is already distributed for free via radio and over-the-air TV broadcasts, or even free streams.

Your Snickers example is also highly flawed. You aren't making copies of the candy itself, which I'm pretty sure Snickers would object to if you found a way to do so. Taking photographs of your own property is perfectly legal, and you already own the rights to any photo you take (unless you're in some contractual situation where you've given up those rights).

I'm not trying to comment on the morality of it, and I doubt Shueisha would bother enforcing it anyway. I'm just saying your argument probably won't hold up in court.

[Drayenko]

I'm not following everything. But isn't the copyright issue a little hypocritical when a few years back we could download translations of Neko Majin in this very same website?

Again, I'm just skimming through.

[MCDaveG]

I'm not following everything. But isn't the copyright issue a little hypocritical when a few years back we could download translations of Neko Majin in this very same website?

Again, I'm just skimming through.

Well, the times are changing! Companies are pain in the ass, even if you upload a 2 minute video from the show on youtube, TOEI is on you and just uses it's right to take the video down and block your profile.
What do you think happens with Kanzenshuu, if they upload or tolerate some scans or clips, from which they don't own any rights? Well, TOEI or whoever owns it goes for them and I do understand why Michael and co.
don't want that kind of attention.

That's how it goes - even with Japanese scans of one whole chapter - you are sharing illegaly product that isn't yours.

[VegettoEX]

I'm not following everything. But isn't the copyright issue a little hypocritical when a few years back we could download translations of Neko Majin in this very same website?

Any copyrighted material we (either of the two sites) put up in the past was not available under any delusion about what was being done.

You can't get them here now. Just because something was done in the past doesn't inherently make it right, and we're allowed to change and adapt with the times (and the C&Ds).

This conversation is basically over. Please return to your regularly-scheduled Heroes discussion. Thank you!

[BlazingBarrrager]

You know I find it a little ironic that Heroes botched up Gohan gaining SSJ4 considering he never went Oozaru once during his training.

[ShadowBardock89]

You know I find it a little ironic that Heroes botched up Gohan gaining SSJ4 considering he never went Oozaru once during his training.

New card idea: GT Gohan Oozaru.

[Xeztin]

I hope the Original Super Saiyan, (the very first one mentioned by Vegeta, it may not be the very first EVER) and the Original Super Saiyan God are given cards to put an end to who they truly are. I consider Bardock a normal SSJ that Frieza feared, as it was witnessed by his ancestor. I think the original one that Vegeta first spoke of is a totally different person, and was the one passed down among the warrior race as a myth. If you want to throw Broly in there, I consider him having a genetic gene mutation or something, making that 3 Original or Legendary Super Saiyans in total, and 4 counting the original SSG.