"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[Noah]

When DBS airs in the occident will have improved animation as well?

[Chuquita]

I like the box art, but I think it's too orange, the background shoulda been a different color.

I wish they'd used outer space as the background. I was impressed with their outer space backgrounds and it is where most of the fight took place.

[Sodhi]

Today is Mazoko Nozawa's Birthday.
Happy Birthday.

[Chuquita]

Oh cool!

I knew it was in October, but I'd forgotten when in October. ^^;

Happy Birthday and many more, Ms. Nozawa!

[DBZAOTA482]

Happy Birthday, Nozawa-sama!

http://picosong.com/6PY7/

[TripleRach]

To clarify, Masako Nozawa's birthday is the 25th, which has not yet occurred in any time zone as of this writing. I guess it's relevant here because it will coincide with the airing of Super 16, and they've already celebrated with this cake.

[Araki]

She'll be 79 by the time episode 16 airs. A pic of the celebration:

[MaGyunia]

To clarify, Masako Nozawa's birthday is the 25th, which has not yet occurred in any time zone as of this writing. I guess it's relevant here because it will coincide with the airing of Super 16, and they've already celebrated with this cake.

I just hope she lives healthily for a long, long time. Replacing a voice-actor for Goku (not to mention Gohan and Goten), who is basically the main character and hero in the franchise, would have quite an impact on the series, at least the original Japanese version of it, which is and has been actually by now the only one I deliberately pay attention to.

[FortuneSSJ]

Best grandma ever. The way she can still pull off Son Gohan/Son Goten, and especially the main character Son Goku, despiste her old age leaves me speechless.
Happy Birhtday Nozawa-sama!

[MaGyunia]

Best grandma ever. The way she can still pull off Son Gohan/Son Goten, and especially the main character Son Goku, despiste her old age leaves me speechless.
Happy Birhtday Nozawa-sama!

I know this should go in the power level thread, but since I don't want to double-post over there, I'd like your thoughts on the following updated lists on the power level of the fighters in all of Dragonball's major arcs. I'll keep each arc to a maximum of something like 10 to 15 warriors.

Not going into estimations and actual numbers and figures, and I'll obviously refrain from including any non-canon, Movie characters and villains.

Piccolo Daimao arc:
1 - Goku
2 - Piccolo Daimao (young)
3 - Piccolo Daimao (old)
4 - Drum
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Goku (vs Piccolo Daimao first time)
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Tambourine
9 - The average son of Piccolo Daimao
10 - Cymbal
11 - Muten Roshi
12 - Mutaito-sama

Piccolo Jr. arc:
1 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
2 - Piccolo
3 - Kami
4 - Mr. Popo
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Krillin
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Yamcha

Saiya-jin arc:
1 - Vegeta (Oozaru)
2 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x4)
3 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x3)
4 - Vegeta
5 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x2)
6 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x1)
7 - Gohan (Oozaru)
8 - Goku (full power in base form)
9 - Goku (suppressed Ki in base form)
10 - Nappa
11 - Gohan (Masenko against Nappa)
12 - Piccolo (full power against Nappa)
13 - Tenshinhan (Kikoho against Nappa)
14 - Piccolo (second Makankosappo against Raditz)
15 - Krillin (full power against Nappa)

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - 100% fourth form Freeza
3 - 70% fourth form Freeza
4 - 50% fourth form Freeza
5 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x20)
6 - 33% fourth form Freeza
7 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x10)
8 - Third form Freeza
9 - Goku (base against Freeza)
10 - Second form Freeza
11 - Vegeta (after final Zenkai)
12 - Piccolo (after fusing with Nail)
13 - First form Freeza
14 - Vegeta (against Jeice and Freeza)
15 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x3 against Ginyu)

Jinzouningen arc:
1 - #16
2 - #17
3 - #18
4 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
7 - King Cold
8 - Freeza (on Earth)
9 - Piccolo
10 - Dr. Gero
11 - #19
12 - Gohan
13 - Tenshinhan
14 - Krillin
15 - Yamcha

Cell arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Perfect form Cell (after explosion and Zenkai)
3 - Perfect form Cell (using all of his power)
4 - Perfect form Cell
5 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
7 - Super Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
10 - Piccolo (at the Cell Games)
11 - Semi-perfect Cell
12 - #16
13 - Imperfect Cell (after absorbing millions of humans)
14 - Piccolo (after fusing with Kami)
15 - #17

Majin Buu arc:
1 - Super Vegitto
2 - Vegitto
3 - Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
4 - Super Buu (Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
5 - Ultimate Gohan
6 - Huge Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
7 - Super Buu (Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
8 - Super Buu
9 - Kid Buu
10 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
11 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
12 - Evil Buu
13 - Majin Buu
14 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
15 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegeta

Beerus arc/BoG:
1 - Whis
2 - Vados
3 - Beerus
4 - Champa
5 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all others at the first attempt of the ritual)
7 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta (with power boost after Beerus slaps Bulma)
8 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
9 - Ultimate Gohan
10 - Gotenks
11 - Majin Buu
12 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
13 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
14 - Piccolo
15 - #18

Freeza arc/Fukkatsu no F:
1 - Whis
2 - Vados
3 - Beerus
4 - Champa
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
7 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
8 - Saiya-jin beyond God Goku
9 - Saiya-jin beyond God Vegeta
10 - Fourth form Freeza (after four-month training)
11 - First form Freeza (after four-month tranining)
12 - Ultimate Gohan
13 - Piccolo

This was kind of hastily done. Any thoughts or potential discussions would be welcome.

[sintzu]

This was kind of hastily done. Any thoughts or potential discussions would be welcome.

Piccolo wasn't able to see the attack Freeza used to kill Dende while Vegeta could so I'd put him above 2nd form Freeza.

I'd put Ssj2 Goku&Vegeta on the same level during the Buu arc.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Best grandma ever. The way she can still pull off Son Gohan/Son Goten, and especially the main character Son Goku, despiste her old age leaves me speechless.
Happy Birhtday Nozawa-sama!

I know this should go in the power level thread, but since I don't want to double-post over there, I'd like your thoughts on the following updated lists on the power level of the fighters in all of Dragonball's major arcs. I'll keep each arc to a maximum of something like 10 to 15 warriors.

Not going into estimations and actual numbers and figures, and I'll obviously refrain from including any non-canon, Movie characters and villains.

Piccolo Daimao arc:
1 - Goku
2 - Piccolo Daimao (young)
3 - Piccolo Daimao (old)
4 - Drum
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Goku (vs Piccolo Daimao first time)
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Tambourine
9 - The average son of Piccolo Daimao
10 - Cymbal
11 - Muten Roshi
12 - Mutaito-sama

Piccolo Jr. arc:
1 - Goku (without weighted clothing)
2 - Piccolo
3 - Kami
4 - Mr. Popo
5 - Tenshinhan
6 - Krillin
7 - Yajirobe
8 - Yamcha

Saiya-jin arc:
1 - Vegeta (Oozaru)
2 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x4)
3 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x3)
4 - Vegeta
5 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x2)
6 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x1)
7 - Gohan (Oozaru)
8 - Goku (full power in base form)
9 - Goku (suppressed Ki in base form)
10 - Nappa
11 - Gohan (Masenko against Nappa)
12 - Piccolo (full power against Nappa)
13 - Tenshinhan (Kikoho against Nappa)
14 - Piccolo (second Makankosappo against Raditz)
15 - Krillin (full power against Nappa)

Freeza arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
2 - 100% fourth form Freeza
3 - 70% fourth form Freeza
4 - 50% fourth form Freeza
5 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x20)
6 - 33% fourth form Freeza
7 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x10)
8 - Third form Freeza
9 - Goku (base against Freeza)
10 - Second form Freeza
11 - Vegeta (after final Zenkai)
12 - Piccolo (after fusing with Nail)
13 - First form Freeza
14 - Vegeta (against Jeice and Freeza)
15 - Goku (Kaio-Ken x3 against Ginyu)

Jinzouningen arc:
1 - #16
2 - #17
3 - #18
4 - Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
5 - Super Saiya-jin Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Trunks
7 - King Cold
8 - Freeza (on Earth)
9 - Piccolo
10 - Dr. Gero
11 - #19
12 - Gohan
13 - Tenshinhan
14 - Krillin
15 - Yamcha

Cell arc:
1 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Gohan
2 - Perfect form Cell (after explosion and Zenkai)
3 - Perfect form Cell (using all of his power)
4 - Perfect form Cell
5 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Full Power Gohan
7 - Super Saiya-jin Dai San Dankai Trunks
8 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Vegeta
9 - Super Saiya-jin Dai Ni Dankai Trunks
10 - Piccolo (at the Cell Games)
11 - Semi-perfect Cell
12 - #16
13 - Imperfect Cell (after absorbing millions of humans)
14 - Piccolo (after fusing with Kami)
15 - #17

Majin Buu arc:
1 - Super Vegitto
2 - Vegitto
3 - Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
4 - Super Buu (Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed)
5 - Ultimate Gohan
6 - Huge Buu (after absorbing the strongest of the Kaioshin)
7 - Super Buu (Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed)
8 - Super Buu
9 - Kid Buu
10 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
11 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks
12 - Evil Buu
13 - Majin Buu
14 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
15 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Vegeta

Beerus arc/BoG:
1 - Whis
2 - Vados
3 - Beerus
4 - Champa
5 - Super Saiya-jin God Goku
6 - Super Saiya-jin Goku (with power of all others at the first attempt of the ritual)
7 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta (with power boost after Beerus slaps Bulma)
8 - Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku
9 - Ultimate Gohan
10 - Gotenks
11 - Majin Buu
12 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Goku
13 - Super Saiya-jin 2 Vegeta
14 - Piccolo
15 - #18

Freeza arc/Fukkatsu no F:
1 - Whis
2 - Vados
3 - Beerus
4 - Champa
5 - Golden Freeza
6 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Goku
7 - Super Saiya-jin God Super Saiya-jin Vegeta
8 - Saiya-jin beyond God Goku
9 - Saiya-jin beyond God Vegeta
10 - Fourth form Freeza (after four-month training)
11 - First form Freeza (after four-month tranining)
12 - Ultimate Gohan
13 - Piccolo

This was kind of hastily done. Any thoughts or potential discussions would be welcome.

Thank you 1,000 times over for 2 reasons:
1 is that your Buu powers are on-point (though personally I believe SSJ3 Goku could take on Super Buu, but whatevs). You have no idea, there's an entire section of the Z fanbase that FIRMLY BELIEVE:
SSJ1 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.
Those people tick me off.

Secondly, thank you for putting Golden Freeza above Goku/Vegeta. Again, there's a huge portion of fans who believe, "Freeza was never truly a threat.", because they didn't want to pay attention to the film and not realize Freeza was losing power. They thought Goku could've won the entire time if he wanted to. And there's tons of fans who believe Vegeta > Goku because of that scene where Vegeta turned God and pummeled Freeza, despite the fact that Freeza by this point was heavily battle-wourn and running heavily low on power.

But again, thank you for being one of the smart ones.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

You have no idea, there's an entire section of the Z fanbase that FIRMLY BELIEVE:
SSJ1 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.
Those people tick me off.

Goku said that SS Gotenks would have been stronger than him, and unlike him being weaker than Fat Boo, this was never said to be a lie. So, we have no idea how SS Gotenks compares to SS3 Goku.

[Retan]

Also Vados says she's stronger then Whis.

[MaGyunia]

Thank you 1,000 times over for 2 reasons:
1 is that your Buu powers are on-point (though personally I believe SSJ3 Goku could take on Super Buu, but whatevs). You have no idea, there's an entire section of the Z fanbase that FIRMLY BELIEVE:
SSJ1 Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku.
Those people tick me off.

Secondly, thank you for putting Golden Freeza above Goku/Vegeta. Again, there's a huge portion of fans who believe, "Freeza was never truly a threat.", because they didn't want to pay attention to the film and not realize Freeza was losing power. They thought Goku could've won the entire time if he wanted to. And there's tons of fans who believe Vegeta > Goku because of that scene where Vegeta turned God and pummeled Freeza, despite the fact that Freeza by this point was heavily battle-wourn and running heavily low on power.

But again, thank you for being one of the smart ones.

Well, the three particular comparisons you're referring need to be taken and discussed in a different light, each of them.

To be honest with you, when I made one or two lists not too long ago I deliberately chose to put Super Saiya-jin God Vegeta and Super Saiya-jin God Goku above Golden Freeza because they ultimately beat him, but that didn't mean I wasn't aware of the fact that, at its peak, Golden Freeza's power was beyond theirs. The fact that they ultimately beat him, both of them (coupled with the fact that I kind of refuse to have Freeza reach a level of power beyond even the kind of strength that puts Goku and Vegeta in the same/close to the same tier as Beerus and Whis) led me to do that before. This time, I adapted it.

There's absolutely no way Super Saiya-jin Gotenks is above Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku, regardless of whether the latter is using all of his power or not, or whether he's dead or not, etc. What COULD be argued is whether Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks is above Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku; all we have to compare and base our positions on regarding this is the fact that Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks appeared to have the upper hand against Super Buu just before the Fusion time ran out, but on the other hand we don't really get to see Goku fighting that same version of Super Buu in his Super Saiya-jin 3 state, do we? He admits he can't beat even the weakest form of Super Buu (with no-one absorbed) when they're inside his body, but at that time he's in his Super Saiya-jin 2 stage, for some reason he doesn't undergo the SSJ3 transformation. It's hard to know or estimate if SSJ3 Goku would be able to be beat the weakest version of Super Buu, but taking into account that Ultimate Gohan absolutely thrashed him, and since I put Super Saiya-jin 3 Goku on par with Ultimate Gohan at his peak when he shows up, it's only a matter of logic to imply and assume that SSJ3 Goku would be able to beat Super Buu. But then again, when Super Buu is undergoing the transformation process after Vegeta rips fat Majin Buu from his system, Goku does say that Kid Buu is someone they might just do something about, displaying a level of relief that wasn't present before when he fought Super Buu, which again just makes it even more complicated to know or estimate just by how much each of the versions of Super/Kid Buu is the strongest. This debate will probably never end, as official info will most likely never be released on the matter.

Yeah, although I'm a hardcore Vegeta fan and had orgasms when I saw him beat the sh** out of Freeza in Fukkatsu no F taking personal revenge after decades of humiliation, I think that the mere fact that it is Vegeta who beats Freeza and even causes him to revert to his regular fourth form doesn't signify that SSJGSSJ Vegeta is stronger than SSJGSSJ Goku. By the time Vegeta intervenes and has his long awaited go at Freeza, finally taking turns with Goku, Freeza was already weakened and unable to sustain the enormous level of power he had had access to minutes prior when he got the upper hand against Goku. I would say that, if Goku continued to battle Freeza instead of getting pierced through the heart and giving his fighting place and time to Vegeta, Goku would do to Freeza just exactly what Vegeta did (although not in that badass, straight manner, of course, but that has to do with personality and approach to fighting, not power). I would say SSJGSSJ Goku and SSJGSSJ Vegeta are exactly on par with each other, and the same goes for their respective Saiya-jin beyond God stages. This means that FINALLY Vegeta HAS caught up with Goku, surpassed and skipped a number of fighters who were stronger than him during the Majin Buu and Beerus arcs, and gained his place as equal, if not superior, to Goku, and close to Beerus, Whis, Champa and Vados. Vegeta's instance of skipping so many fighters and gaining so much of a power-up in Fukkatsu no F isn't even comparable to Freeza; Vegeta's previous strongest stage was a "mere" Super Saiya-jin 2, which was outclassed as early as in the Majin Buu arc, whereas Freeza went from a complete weakling (regardless of whether we're talking about his first form or his absolute maximum 100% usage of power) from his Namek times, when compared to so many fighters and stages throughout the Jinzouningen, Cell and Majin Buu arcs, to a serious menace even to the stages Goku and Vegeta just reached, which put them close to Beerus and Whis. It's the very definition of skyrocketing.

I'd put Ssj2 Goku&Vegeta on the same level during the Buu arc.

Yeah, I honestly believe that when they fight early in the Majin Buu arc in their respective Super Saiya-jin 2 stages they're exactly on par with each other. I just deliberately wanted to set a space in the ranking/list for one fighter only, so even if the next is just the same as the one that comes before/above him, I just randomly chose one to go above the other.

[Hellspawn28]

So would you guys say that Freeza is the first villain in the series to be the main villain twice?

[Doctor.]

So would you guys say that Freeza is the first villain in the series to be the main villain twice?

Piccolo was the main villain twice.

[MaGyunia]

So would you guys say that Freeza is the first villain in the series to be the main villain twice?

Piccolo was the main villain twice.

In a way, yes, more than a son, he's the reincarnation of Piccolo Daimao, and they both have their own arcs in the later stages of DB separately dedicated to them. However, if we consider Piccolo Daimao and Piccolo to be two entirely separate entities, then yeah, Freeza could be considered to be the main menace and villain protagonist of a main arc throughout DB, DBZ and DBSuper.

All of this is, of course, refraining from including the Movies and other non-canon material in the equation, otherwise Cooler or Brolly, just for example, would apply.

[FutureGohanSSJ2]

Also Vados says she's stronger then Whis.

Of course she did. Because why would she say that Whis is stronger? It's a pride thing. Mind you, they haven't seen each other in a thousand years. Whis reminds her of this, and says he's been training since then.

[Doctor.]

Also Vados says she's stronger then Whis.

Of course she did. Because why would she say that Whis is stronger? It's a pride thing. Mind you, they haven't seen each other in a thousand years. Whis reminds her of this, and says he's been training since then.

And who's to say Vados wasn't training since then as well? Not to mention Whis says she's the one who trained him. I think it's heavily implied that Vados is at least a bit stronger, like it's implied, but not outright stated, that Beerus is stronger than Champa.