The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Angelus]

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Android 13, 14, 15, 19, and 20 --No transformations to Super 13. No self destruct. 19 and 20 are their post-absorption selves

Android 14 VS SSJ Future Gohan (two-armed)

[Sandubadear]

Future Android 17 and 18 VS Android 13, 14, 15, 19, and 20 --No transformations to Super 13. No self destruct. 19 and 20 are their post-absorption selves

Android 14 VS SSJ Future Gohan (two-armed)

17 and 18 lose. If it was just 17 and 18 vs. 14 and 15, it would be a better match.

Gohan loses.

[Hugo Boss]

Wasn't Kaioshin only wary about the others taking on Yakon one-on-one?

I mean, Kaioshin wasn't confident in taking on Pui Pui alone.

No, it was specifically Kaioshin vs. Yakon. Even before reaching Babidi's ship, Kaioshin admited he might need the help of Goku and the others in order to defeat Babidi. Apparently, he lost hope only after seeing Dabra, Pui Pui was potentially a problem to one of the Saiyans fighting by themselves. Babidi also asked Yakon to spare Kaioshin's life, so with all things considered Yakon seems to be superior to Kaioshin.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I mean, Kaioshin wasn't confident in taking on Pui Pui alone.

Then maybe he's weaker than Pocus.

[DBZAOTA482]

I mean, Kaioshin wasn't confident in taking on Pui Pui alone.

Then maybe he's weaker than Pocus.

....Or maybe... he's just a massive pussy.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I mean, Kaioshin wasn't confident in taking on Pui Pui alone.

Then maybe he's weaker than Pocus.

....Or maybe... he's just a massive pussy.

Could be. It's pretty subjective, but I wouldn't say Kaioshin is factually stronger than Pocus.

[fadeddreams5]

Super 13 vs army of Meta Coolers.

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (pre-absorptions)

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions)

SSJ Goku w/ spirit bomb absorbed (Super 13 hax) vs SSJ Goku w/ energy from the gang absorbed (Broly hax)

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions)

SSJ Goku w/ spirit bomb absorbed (Super 13 hax) vs SSJ Goku w/ energy from the gang absorbed (Broly hax)

I go with the Daizenshuu here, Imperfect Cell matched Android #16 who's Gero's strongest creation aside from Cell. Super #13 is inferior to both.

Movie 8 Goku because it'd be weird for main characters to get weaker as movies progress.

[DBZAOTA482]

Super 13 vs army of Meta Coolers.

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (pre-absorptions)

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions)

SSJ Goku w/ spirit bomb absorbed (Super 13 hax) vs SSJ Goku w/ energy from the gang absorbed (Broly hax)

-Super #13 destroys cept the third Cell
-...Stalemate

[Kaboom]

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta, I'm not aware of any indication that English isn't your first language, so please put some more effort into your spelling and grammar. Many of your posts from the last 5 or so pages are darned near indecipherable.

Nameless Namek [Before split] vs BoZ Goku.

No good way to tell. We don't have any indication of how strong the Son of Katatz was before he split, only some vague suppositions about his potential if he hadn't. But he was supposed to be a prodigy and quite strong for a Dragon-type Namekian, while Goku was weak by Saiyan standards... so win or lose, I'd think the Son of Katatz would have a tough fight in this one.

To add a bit to the previous discussion on this... the "average" Dragon-type Namekian (like the ones who were killed by Dodoria) seems to sport of PL of a few thousand, while the average Saiyan (like Raditz) has a PL of a thousand or so and apparently only needs a PL of 4,000-5,000 (like Nappa) to be considered an elite. So if the Son of Katatz was a prodigy, then maybe his expected PL could have been upwards of 10,000 or even more. Which would be more than enough to kick Nappa's ass and avoid dying in battle. Also, keep in mind the Grand Elder made the "could it have been a Super Saiyan" comment before he read Kuririn's mind and learned the details of Piccolo and Kami's demise. After that, he likely realized, "oh, his power was split years before, and he was fighting a stronger-than-average Saiyan. Bummer."

Elder Kaioshin vs Base Goku [Android Arc]. No magic or Kaioken.

If it's limited to a straight-up brawl, with Elder Kaioshin not being allowed any tricks... then my gut tells me Goku would win. Elder Kaioshin doesn't seem to have any noteworthy power or fighting prowess at all.

- Beerus vs. GT Verse

As I've pointed out many times before, we've yet to be given any tangible way of comparing the new "god saga" powers with those of GT. But I trust my heart when it tells me that only Yi Xing Long or SS4 Gogeta would have enough raw strength to bring Beerus down. Probably even Whis too.

Mystic Gohan (Z) vs SSJ3 Goku (Super) Whose stronger?

Whose stronger what? Anyway, "manga logic" dictates that a few years of casual (for Goku) training wouldn't nearly be enough for Goku to catch up to or surpass the massive Boo-thrashing power that Ultimate Gohan possessed. But by "Toei logic," that big middle chunk of the Majin Boo arc never happened and SS3 Goku was the strongest all along.

Kabito kai vs yakkon.
super janemba vs buutenks gohan absorbed.

— If Kaioshin mans up and actually tries to fight, he'll be pleasantly surprised to learn that he can kill Yakon with a single wave of his hand, and could have done the same even before merging with Kibito.
— Boo is the stronger of the two, but not my some massive amount. Janemba's fancy reality-bending tricks may give Boo trouble at first, but with Piccolo's intelligence Boo will probably figure them out just and be able to finish the fight before his power from Gotenks runs out. I'd say Boo wins 3 out of 4 times.

Goten and Trunks [Both post RoSaT] vs Vegeta [Pre Majin boost]. No SSJ1 or SSJ2.

Vegeta spanks both kids at once. Even if they're about half as strong as him or more, there's a HUGE difference in skill. If Vegeta fights seriously, they're no match for him at all.

Dabra vs. Vegeta (before being powered-up by Babidi)
Could Vegeta have defeated Dabra if he had substituted Gohan? That is without using Super Saiyan 2. I think Gohan and Vegeta had about the same powerlevel when they were on the same forms, but since Gohan couldn't use SS2 anymore he was surpassed by Vegeta. So what do you think?

Definitely giving this one to Vegeta. Dabra could only stalemate an out-of-practice Super Saiyan 1 Gohan, and at least one source says Dabra was the weaker of the two. Goku and Vegeta are even stronger and more skilled than Gohan, and they both treated Dabra as a total non-threat from the start. Vegeta gets a good fight out of Dabra, but is smiling the whole time and is never in much danger.

Piccolo vs #17, #18, Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Roshi ( Dragon Ball Super )
Base Future Gohan vs Tenshinhan, Kuririn, Yamcha and Chaozu ( DBS )
Tenshinhan vs Pui Pui
Freeza 3rd form ( Freeza saga ) vs Kuririn, Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Roshi, Jaco ( DBS )
SSJ Goten getting caught by a spam of Shin Kikoho's. Can Tenshinhan knock him out?

— Assuming this isn't like in Resurrection F where Piccolo is holding back to be non-lethal? He wipes the opposing team all out in one blast.
— If Ten lands a Kikoho on him it'll hurt, but not enough to debilitate him. The humans all diiieee.
— Lately I'm thinking Pui-Pui only has a PL of a few hundred thousand at best. If that's the case, then a single well-placed Shin Kikoho is all Ten needs to win this fight. But he does need it, and isn't strong enough to beat Pui-Pui in straightforward combat.
— Kuririn and Ten may get in a lucky hit or two, and a Kikoho from the former would hurt... but they're all still too weak to do any major damage to Freeza in that form. They eventually all get massacred.
— The Shin Kikohos give Goten some surface-level scuffs, and he gets comically dizzy from being bounced around by the attacks so much. But just like with Cell, it doesn't do any major damage, and the exhausted Tenshinhan is now easy pickings.

Batman vs Goku in the beginning of the series. Batman has his full equipment and Goku has his pole and nimbus, but neither are prepared or knowledgeable on the other.

Batman having read every volume of Dragon Ball and with 1 week of prep wants to eliminate Goku. Batman is willing to use lethal force against the alien but is otherwise in character. This is Goku right after defeating Majin Boo, he is home celebrating and has no idea somebody has it out for him. Can Batman find a way?

Batman's taken down foes stronger than Goku before, but unlike them Goku doesn't have any easily exploitable weaknesses. Goku is simply far too strong for Bats to do anything against. Even a sick and under-performing Goku is still unfathomably strong (like when he fought Android 19).

Cell Games Piccolo VS Semi Perfect Cell
Imperfect Cell (post-humans absorbing) VS Kamiccolo, 17 &18, 19 & 20, pre-ROSAT SSJ Vegeta, Goku, Future Trunks

— Piccolo had reached "a whole different level" and managed to hold on against a Cell Junior, who were about equal with SS Vegeta, who had presumably far surpassed his prior SS Grade 2 self, who beat the ever-loving tar out of Stage-2 Cell. I'm betting Piccolo could beat that same Cell just as easily now.
— Cell's noticeably stronger than any of them individually, but I think the sheer numbers would let his enemies win this fight. I like to think that even Piccolo alone would have done better against Cell if he wasn't already worn out from fighting 17.

BOG Super Saiyan God Goku vs. Golden Freeza. Who wins?

God-Goku, assigned a PL of 6, put up a good fight against but ultimately lost to Beerus, who has a number of 6. By the time Resurrection F rolls around, I think Goku's grown moderately and is now a 7 himself with SSGSS, but Golden Freeza still had an edge on him at first. That said, I'm pretty sure Golden Freeza at 7.5 or 8 is going to be able to defeat SSG Goku's 6. Freeza's power will start to drain eventually, but so will Goku's in the un-trained god form. Plus, unlike Beerus, Freeza won't be interested in spurring a good fight out of Goku or giving him on-the-spot training. Freeza's going to go for the brutal and efficient kill.

- Android #18 x SSJ Vegeta, SSJ Mirai Trunks, Piccolo, Tenshinhan (Since #17 said that #18 could not handle them all if they're fighting together against her)
- Imperfect Cell (Gingertown) x SSJ Mirai Trunks (Pre RoSaT), SSJ Vegeta (Pre RoSaT), SSJ Goku (Post Heart Virus)
- Android 18 x Imperfect Cell (Gingertown)

— I'll take 17's word for it.
— Cell took measures to avoid Vegeta, so even if he's stronger then I'd bet the difference is small enough for any of them to be a threat to him. Make it a 3-on-1 fight, and I'm nearly certain Cell won't survive.
— Cell still had quite a ways to go before he was strong enough to face the Androids. I'm sure 18 could kill him after a decent fight.

Yakon vs. Base Gotenks

If Gotenks doesn't mess around too much, he can take this. If it's after his RoSaT training, then it becomes too easy.

100% FP Freeza x Yakon (With/Without Dark Planet)

Freeza can win, as long as he does so quickly before his 100% starts to drain him.

[supercat]

Could be. It's pretty subjective, but I wouldn't say Kaioshin is factually stronger than Pocus.

Kaioshin being able to one-shot a guy who holds the edge over the very fighter who utterly humiliated Pui Pui is good enough of an indicator for me to believe that the overseer's cautious demeanor was a product of fear-induced judgment.

Between Beerus' remark in BoG and Super and how easily Vegeta trumped Pui Pui, I wouldn't be surprised if the overconfident Majin is Third Form Frieza (Namek) tier. As a matter of fact, seeing as how he deemed the ability to move around in 10x gravity as a considerable feat, I'm apt to believe that placing him on par with the tyrant's third form may even be an overstatement. I mean seriously, can you picture any form of Frieza making a big deal out of something as trivial as 10x gravity?

[Captain Space]

Super 13 vs army of Meta Coolers.

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (pre-absorptions)

Super 13 vs Imperfect Cell (post-absorptions)

SSJ Goku w/ spirit bomb absorbed (Super 13 hax) vs SSJ Goku w/ energy from the gang absorbed (Broly hax)

This is like the mass battle in RF, only Super 13 is weaker than the likes of Piccolo and Gohan in that movie, and this army is much stronger than that one. On the other hand, 13 should have infinite stamina, right...? Okay, tricky...hmm, gonna go with the army, since the difference between him and them shouldn't be enormous.

13 (given his performance against an android-arc SSJ compared to, say, 18's, and Cell hadn't yet got to 17/18's level)

Cell (agreeing with the above post saying that 16 and hence this Cell should be well above 13)

Frankly FPSSJ Goku (which he is in movie should be able to beat Super-13-Goku with no trouble anyway. Add in some borrowed power from his buddies and movie 8 Goku wins with hilarious ease.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Could be. It's pretty subjective, but I wouldn't say Kaioshin is factually stronger than Pocus.

Kaioshin being able to one-shot a guy who holds the edge over the very fighter who utterly humiliated Pui Pui is good enough of an indicator for me to believe that the overseer's cautious demeanor was a product of fear-induced judgment.

Between Beerus' remark in BoG and Super and how easily Vegeta trumped Pui Pui, I wouldn't be surprised if the overconfident Majin is Third Form Freeza (Namek) tier. As a matter of fact, seeing as how he deemed the ability to move around in 10x gravity as a considerable feat, I'm apt to believe that placing him on par with the tyrant's third form may even be an overstatement. I mean seriously, can you picture any form of Freeza making a big deal out of something as trivial as 10x gravity?

Gravity is not consistent. Check out Base Kid Trunks struggling in 100x gravity despite being on par with Teen Gohan. Pocus also thought he'd be fighting a human who's only been in 1x gravity his whole life. The gravity argument holds no weight.

[supercat]

Could be. It's pretty subjective, but I wouldn't say Kaioshin is factually stronger than Pocus.

Kaioshin being able to one-shot a guy who holds the edge over the very fighter who utterly humiliated Pui Pui is good enough of an indicator for me to believe that the overseer's cautious demeanor was a product of fear-induced judgment.

Between Beerus' remark in BoG and Super and how easily Vegeta trumped Pui Pui, I wouldn't be surprised if the overconfident Majin is Third Form Freeza (Namek) tier. As a matter of fact, seeing as how he deemed the ability to move around in 10x gravity as a considerable feat, I'm apt to believe that placing him on par with the tyrant's third form may even be an overstatement. I mean seriously, can you picture any form of Freeza making a big deal out of something as trivial as 10x gravity?

Gravity is not consistent. Check out Base Kid Trunks struggling in 100x gravity despite being on par with Teen Gohan. Pocus also thought he'd be fighting a human who's only been in 1x gravity his whole life. The gravity argument holds no weight.

There's a notable difference between 100x gravity and 10x gravity. Pui Pui originating from a planet that had the same gravity as Planet Vegeta to me is an implication that he presumably falls in line with fighters from the Frieza arc. If I had to hypothesize, I'd place him anywhere between Vegeta (first appearance) - Third Form Frieza (Namek); there's really no justification to place him even a notch higher than that.

In any case, even if we exclude gravity from the equation, we still can't ignore the fact that Base Vegeta (weaker than Frieza) trounced him without batting an eye. I know feats are generally taken with a grain of salt, but it's hard to accept the notion that some fodder boasting about 10x gravity is stronger than a universally feared tyrant who had a reputation of eradicating civilizations with prominent power levels.

If Pui Pui did in fact live up to the inflation that some fans seem to associate him with, don't you think he would have ventured off on his own conquest?

I mean, prior to his encounter with Babidi, what do you think kept him from obtaining the same degree of glory as Frieza? It's simple, his inability to do so.

I think people tend to forget just how lethal of a force the emperor of evil was. Just because he met his fate at the hands of two Super Saiyans, doesn't mean any random mook that appears after him chronologically could replicate such a victory.

Let's also not dismiss the fact that Cold, who seemed rather well-versed in terms of knowing his threats, only warned his son about Buu and Beerus; Yakon or Pui Pui were never even mentioned.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku (22nd Budokai; Match-level) vs. King Chappa (23rd Budokai)

[Noah]

Goku (22nd Budokai; Match-level) vs. King Chappa (23rd Budokai)

You really like King Chappa, don't you? lol

Well, I think Goku wins with medium difficulty ease

Edit: Wow, I misread! I thought it was 21st Budokai Goku x 23rd Budokai King Champa, let me fix my post above

[Lord Beerus]

Goku (22nd Budokai; Match-level) vs. King Chappa (23rd Budokai)

Goku stomps hard. King Chappa was nothing in the 22nd WMAT and I doubt he would have gotten any stronger in the 23rd WMAT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

There's a notable difference between 100x gravity and 10x gravity.

The point still stands. It's not consistent, unless DBS Vegeta is around as strong as Base Kid Trunks.

Pui Pui originating from a planet that had the same gravity as Planet Vegeta to me is an implication that he presumably falls in line with fighters from the Freeza arc.

That's fine if you believe that, it's still your opinion.

there's really no justification to place him even a notch higher than that.

Except for Kaioshit being worried about Vegeta's chances against Pocus and not deciding to step in and finish the fight himself.

In any case, even if we exclude gravity from the equation, we still can't ignore the fact that Base Vegeta (weaker than Freeza) trounced him without batting an eye. I know feats are generally taken with a grain of salt, but it's hard to accept the notion that some fodder boasting about 10x gravity is stronger than a universally feared tyrant who had a reputation of eradicating civilizations with prominent power levels.

Base Vegeta being weaker than Freeza is your opinion.

If Pui Pui did in fact live up to the inflation that some fans seem to associate him with, don't you think he would have ventured off on his own conquest?

Because he was under Bobbidi's control.

I mean, prior to his encounter with Babidi, what do you think kept him from obtaining the same degree of glory as Freeza? It's simple, his inability to do so.

Maybe he was weaker than Freeza before Bobbidi brought out his hidden power like he did to Vegeta.

I think people tend to forget just how lethal of a force the emperor of evil was. Just because he met his fate at the hands of two Super Saiyans, doesn't mean any random mook that appears after him chronologically could replicate such a victory.

That doesn't change that he's susceptible to ever-progressive plot like every other villain before and after him.

Let's also not dismiss the fact that Cold, who seemed rather well-versed in terms of knowing his threats, only warned his son about Buu and Beerus; Yakon or Pui Pui were never even mentioned.

Could just mean he didn't know about them. Well-versed does not equal knowing every single living specimen in the universe, otherwise he'd also know of Dabra.

[ZombieVito]

Goku (22nd Budokai; Match-level) vs. King Chappa (23rd Budokai)

Goku one shots still.

In any case, even if we exclude gravity from the equation, we still can't ignore the fact that Base Vegeta (weaker than Freeza) trounced him without batting an eye. I know feats are generally taken with a grain of salt, but it's hard to accept the notion that some fodder boasting about 10x gravity is stronger than a universally feared tyrant who had a reputation of eradicating civilizations with prominent power levels.

Base Vegeta being weaker than Freeza is your opinion.

Wrong. That's a fact stated in BoG and DBS.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku (22nd Budokai; Match-level) vs. King Chappa (23rd Budokai)

You really like King Chappa, don't you? lol

Well, I think Goku wins with medium difficulty ease

Edit: Wow, I misread! I thought it was 21st Budokai Goku x 23rd Budokai King Champa, let me fix my post above

No, not at all.