The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

Wrong. That's a fact stated in BoG and DBS.

It's about as much of a fact as first form Freeza post-training being 1,300,000, or Piccolo being Zarbon tier.

[Angelus]

Android 13 VS SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed) and SSJ Future Trunks with sword (Androids Saga)

[DBZAOTA482]

Android 13 VS SSJ Future Gohan (one-armed) and SSJ Future Trunks with sword (Androids Saga)

#13 crushes.


Lao Chu vs. Piccolo Daimao (old)

[ZombieVito]

Bora vs Goku [Both RRA arc]

[Angelus]

Future Android 18 VS Android 13

[supercat]

Wrong. That's a fact stated in BoG and DBS.

It's about as much of a fact as first form Freeza post-training being 1,300,000, or Piccolo being Zarbon tier.

If a particular fact is loaded with far too many inconsistencies to seamlessly fall in line with the original continuity, I either ignore it or formulate speculations based on plausible scenarios that blends everything in.

There are multiple reasons why Shisami, a fighter who was allegedly Zarbon-tier, may have been able to fight on par with Piccolo. First and foremost, he could very well have had Super Namekian-busting power right from the get-go; this notion holds even more validity when you consider the possibility that he was never meant to be introduced alongside Tagoma (I recall hearing that somewhere).

Furthermore, with the curtains that are currently drawn over Frieza's never-before-seen training regimen, who's to say that the red bull-looking lackey didn't take it upon himself to go above and beyond in hopes of pleasing his superior? Considering how extensively the Planet Trade Organization studied the Z-fighters, I find it pretty darn reasonable for one or more minions to have taken preventative measures.

On the contrary to all this, however, we have absolutely nothing that contradicts the remark made by Beerus. Most importantly, the reference was dropped in two canon sources. Also, in response to your earlier post, the likelihood that the Majin spell transitioned Pui Pui from being unable to go on his own conquest to galactic tyrant-trumping level is close to none. If the spell yielded a negligible boost for Vegeta, a Saiyan with heaps of latent potential, it's pretty unlikely some fodder of unknown origin was gifted with anything notable.

Even from an out-of-universe standpoint, I doubt the writers would bother including such an iconic remark in two instances if there was no truth behind it. I mean even in the original manga, when or where has it ever been stated that the base Saiyans surpassed Frieza?

Because Dabura belonged to a separate realm, Cold failing to mention him doesn't really support the argument that Yakon and Pui Pui fell under the radar.

[Battousai]

New matches:

Base Goten and Base Trunks vs Piccolo ( DBS )
Gohan vs Fat Buu ( DBS )

[AvatarReiko]

SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ2 Gohan(Pre-Z sword) & Base Gotenks(Post) vs LSS2 Broly(Movie 10) & SPC

[Lord Beerus]

New matches:

Base Goten and Base Trunks vs Piccolo ( DBS )
Gohan vs Fat Buu ( DBS )

- Goten and Trunks takes this if they don't fuck around.
- If this is Base Gohan we're talking about, then Fat Boo crushes Gohan

SSJ2 Goku, SSJ2 Vegeta, SSJ2 Gohan(Pre-Z sword) & Base Gotenks(Post) vs LSS2 Broly(Movie 10) & SPC

Broly and Cell get wrecked. SSJ2 Goku would be enough to take down Broly and Cell.

[Angelus]

Android 14 VS Piccolo, Base Gohan with Kaiokenx20, Krillin, Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu (All Z warriors during Androids Saga. Piccolo is pre Kami fusion. No Kienzan or Tribeam)

[DBZAOTA482]

Android 14 VS Piccolo, Base Gohan with Kaiokenx20, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha, Chiaotzu (All Z warriors during Androids Saga. Piccolo is pre Kami fusion. No Kienzan or Tribeam)

#14 easily. Gohan and the humans are non-factors.

[ZombieVito]

Wrong. That's a fact stated in BoG and DBS.

It's about as much of a fact as first form Freeza post-training being 1,300,000, or Piccolo being Zarbon tier.

If a particular fact is loaded with far too many inconsistencies to seamlessly fall in line with the original continuity, I either ignore it or formulate speculations based on plausible scenarios that blends everything in.

There are multiple reasons why Shisami, a fighter who was allegedly Zarbon-tier, may have been able to fight on par with Piccolo. First and foremost, he could very well have had Super Namekian-busting power right from the get-go; this notion holds even more validity when you consider the possibility that he was never meant to be introduced alongside Tagoma (I recall hearing that somewhere).

In Toriyama's script Shisami is not in that scene, only Tagoma is compared to Zarbon and Dodoria. Furthermore when Toriyama is explaining the 1,000 fight he says Freeza did hire powerful mercenaries and then Shisami enters the picture.

Someone really fucked up.

[Lord Beerus]

In Toriyama's script Shisami is not in that scene, only Tagoma is compared to Zarbon and Dodoria. Furthermore when Toriyama is explaining the 1,000 fight he says Freeza did hire powerful mercenaries and then Shisami enters the picture.

Someone really fucked up.

This reeks of Executive Meddling. Hopefully the retelling of ROF in Super will remedy this and play out that scene like how it was originally written in Toriyama's script.

[Polyphase Avatron]

Meta Cooler vs. General Rilldo, power levels equal. The Big Gheti Star is attached to Planet M-2.

[ZombieVito]

In Toriyama's script Shisami is not in that scene, only Tagoma is compared to Zarbon and Dodoria. Furthermore when Toriyama is explaining the 1,000 fight he says Freeza did hire powerful mercenaries and then Shisami enters the picture.

Someone really fucked up.

This reeks of Executive Meddling. Hopefully the retelling of ROF in Super will remedy this and play out that scene like how it was originally written in Toriyama's script.

Doubtful. Shisami is already with Sorbet in episode 18.

[Noah]

Bora vs Goku [Both RRA arc]

If is Post Korin Goku, he crushes, if is Pre Korin Goku he still wins but not so easily.

Future Android 18 VS Android 13

I see Android 13 above SSJ Goku that I think is above Future 18, so for me Android 13 wins.

Meta Cooler vs. General Rilldo, power levels equal. The Big Gheti Star is attached to Planet M-2.

An interesting match for sure, I think General Rilldo could take control of the Big Gheti Star and then defeat Coola, probably

[supercat]

Meta Cooler vs. General Rilldo, power levels equal. The Big Gheti Star is attached to Planet M-2.

Meta-Cooler turns Rild into a pile of scrap metal with moderate levels of difficulty at most. Barring any and all aspects of training and evaluating pure prowess (not power) based strictly on innate faculty and adaptability, the Cold family could arguably outperform any DBZ / GT fighter in hand to hand combat. Fans often interpret Frieza's arrogance and lust to cause pain as incompetence on the battlefield; but the fact of the matter is, he along with the rest of the tyrannical clan is gifted with several assets that give them the edge against even the mightiest of opponents. Their unique physique is not only durable, but also seems to be geared with the ability to mold and maneuver around more dynamically than any other fighter; let's also not forget about that bone-crushing tail theirs. Couple their biological blessings with their vastly diversified array of attacks and you have an unparalleled force that most, if not all fighters (at the same power level) would have one heck of a time standing up to.

Whether or not Rild could control metal would be irrelevant, as the vast majority of his attacks would likely have zero effect on Cooler. The latter would simply blitz through the former's metallic grip and/or traps with the utmost ease.

[Sandubadear]

Meta Cooler vs. General Rilldo, power levels equal. The Big Gheti Star is attached to Planet M-2.

The star creates 10 billion Metal Coolas who kill Rilldo easily.

[Noah]

... The Cold family could arguably outperform any other DBZ / GT fighter in hand to hand combat...

You got a good point, but you really think that Freeza or Cooler could defeat anyone in DB/Z/GT in a battle with equal power terms? I see the androids, Cell and even Boo above since they have more durability and not forgetting to mention their regeneration (Cell, Boo)

[Lord Beerus]

In Toriyama's script Shisami is not in that scene, only Tagoma is compared to Zarbon and Dodoria. Furthermore when Toriyama is explaining the 1,000 fight he says Freeza did hire powerful mercenaries and then Shisami enters the picture.

Someone really fucked up.

This reeks of Executive Meddling. Hopefully the retelling of ROF in Super will remedy this and play out that scene like how it was originally written in Toriyama's script.

Doubtful. Shisami is already with Sorbet in episode 18.

Perhaps by that time Shisami was already hired as a mercenary for Freeza's Army. Fingers crossed that's the case.