Chances of Gohan Being Awesome in 'Super'

[LuckyCat]

People are saying Videl is ruined because she's nicer now? I figure her little tough girl persona was bit of gimmick cuz she probably was tryna keep the jerks away.

I was watching Wrath of Dragon the other day and this is the same conclusion I reached. I love Videl in that movie, but can people honestly imagine Videl remaining stuck like that in tsundere mode? It just doesn't work for a married woman, because the jig is up: Videl loves Gohan.

i dont know whats worse: ppl not accepting that gohan is now leaving a normal human life which is what the author wants or them actualy ignoring that gohan was basicly forced to train in the past.

People always answer this with "It's a fighting anime, so only fighting matters". I mean yeah, fighting is the sine qua non of Dragonball, but characters can be important without it. Just look at Bulma.

I think the fact that the screenwriters actually set aside time showing how much of a good wife and family Gohan has, shows he is still important. He trained with Goku and saved the world; Gohan now deservedly has it made.

[fadeddreams5]

I was watching Wrath of Dragon the other day and this is the same conclusion I reached. I love Videl in that movie, but can people honestly imagine Videl remaining stuck like that in tsundere mode? It just doesn't work for a married woman, because the jig is up: Videl loves Gohan.

Videl was nicely portrayed in Fusion Reborn, Wrath of the Dragon, and the 2008 OVA. She was a lot more caring and affectionate than in the great saiyaman saga without losing her toughness and tomboyish-ness. I'm not asking for a pregnant Videl to fight; I want a consistent character is all. Videl 2.0 not only looks and acts nothing like this character, but is also one of the most generic characters in the series now. Something I've always liked about Dragon Ball is that none of the women are ever portrayed as girly and perfect like that. It's such a cliche in anime.

i dont know whats worse: ppl not accepting that gohan is now living a normal human life which is what the author wants or them actualy ignoring that gohan was basicly forced to train in the past.

Gohan was never forced to train in the past. He chose to because he wanted to help. IIRC, he lamented not having trained during the Buu saga because of everything that was happening.

Furthermore, it's pretty hard to accept bad writing. People just want a good series that gives justice to a fan-favorite character that at two points was nearly passed on the torch as lead.

[Doctor.]

I doubt Gohan is a fan-favorite anymore. The fan-favorites are Goku and Vegeta, the characters they're focusing more on.

[fadeddreams5]

Yeah, anymore. lol.

[dbzfan7]

I doubt Gohan is a fan-favorite anymore. The fan-favorites are Goku and Vegeta, the characters they're focusing more on.

I think so too. They care enough about the other characters not to completely ignore them just yet, but not enough to really progress them. As far they are concerned, everyone else completed their character arcs and have reached their conclusion as progressive characters. Which means we'll get to see them still, but if anyone is expecting any serious growth or development, it's not gonna happen with any of them.

[DBZAOTA482]

I doubt Gohan is a fan-favorite anymore. The fan-favorites are Goku and Vegeta, the characters they're focusing more on.

Why can't Toei make Gohan a fan-favorite again?

I answered my own question, didn't I?

[Lord Beerus]

There's no reason why Videl can't be a kickass mother who is stubborn. In fact, I'd say it would be in character for her to want to fight while pregnant only to have Gohan talk her out of it. At least with Vegeta we had multiple arcs to watch him mellow out.

Videl is not Vegeta. She was never a complex character that had multiple layers about her. She just liked to fight and happened to have a crush on Gohan which made her soften up. That's it. Never in a million years would she suggest fighting while pregnant. That would be OOC more than anything because it would go against Videl character with her becoming more calmer as she came to love Gohan more and more.

[DarkPrince_92]

Gohan had places where he shined. He's not a fighter at heart so it only makes sense he won't be up there anymore. Think I like him less than Future Trunks now.

[Neon Z]

I doubt Gohan is a fan-favorite anymore. The fan-favorites are Goku and Vegeta, the characters they're focusing more on.

I think so too. They care enough about the other characters not to completely ignore them just yet, but not enough to really progress them. As far they are concerned, everyone else completed their character arcs and have reached their conclusion as progressive characters. Which means we'll get to see them still, but if anyone is expecting any serious growth or development, it's not gonna happen with any of them.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. BoG and RoF were originally movies, and as such there was a limited amount of attention that could be distributed to the cast. As it stood, many people couldn't even accept the power ups introduced in those movies, like Super Saiyan God, Vegeta's rage and Freeza's training. There just wasn't space for the rest of the cast. I think this upcoming Universe 6 arc might be different though. The fact that we're getting a 5 man team already hints at some other characters getting powered up (and thus focus) too.

[DBZAOTA482]

There's no reason why Videl can't be a kickass mother who is stubborn. In fact, I'd say it would be in character for her to want to fight while pregnant only to have Gohan talk her out of it. At least with Vegeta we had multiple arcs to watch him mellow out.

Videl is not Vegeta. She was never a complex character that had multiple layers about her. She just liked to fight and happened to have a crush on Gohan which made her soften up. That's it. Never in a millions would she suggest fighting while pregnant. That would OOC more than anything because it would go against Videl characters with her becoming more calmer as she came to love Gohan more and more.

That'd be hilarious...

I think a lot of you are overreacting. Gohan isn't the next Lunch, he's the next Piccolo (what do you think he was training him for ).

More like the next Yamcha...

[dbzfan7]

I doubt Gohan is a fan-favorite anymore. The fan-favorites are Goku and Vegeta, the characters they're focusing more on.

I think so too. They care enough about the other characters not to completely ignore them just yet, but not enough to really progress them. As far they are concerned, everyone else completed their character arcs and have reached their conclusion as progressive characters. Which means we'll get to see them still, but if anyone is expecting any serious growth or development, it's not gonna happen with any of them.

I don't think that's necessarily the case. BoG and RoF were originally movies, and as such there was a limited amount of attention that could be distributed to the cast. As it stood, many people couldn't even accept the power ups introduced in those movies, like Super Saiyan God, Vegeta's rage and Freeza's training. There just wasn't space for the rest of the cast. I think this upcoming Universe 6 arc might be different though. The fact that we're getting a 5 man team already hints at some other characters getting powered up (and thus focus) too.

I wouldn't hold my breath. Rehash of gods had extended time, and the only people with real focus were Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, and Whis. Going from that the ROF arc will more than likely be the same where only those 4 have real ongoing arc's....cept Goku so really 3. Everyone else will be around, mainly as an extra cast of low carders to extend run time. While U6 sounds promising, I don't believe anything will come of it til real information starts to show something will. Til then I take the safe bet that if it does include some of the other U7 guys, they'll either be new people Beerus knew of, or the other 3 people on Team Beerus who aren't Goku & Vegeta will be shut out so Goku and Vegeta have to overcome a 2-5 disadvantage.

[Neon Z]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Rehash of gods had extended time, and the only people with real focus were Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, and Whis. Going from that the ROF arc will more than likely be the same where only those 4 have real ongoing arc's....cept Goku so really 3. Everyone else will be around, mainly as an extra cast of low carders to extend run time. While U6 sounds promising, I don't believe anything will come of it til real information starts to show something will. Til then I take the safe bet that if it does include some of the other U7 guys, they'll either be new people Beerus knew of, or the other 3 people on Team Beerus who aren't Goku & Vegeta will be shut out so Goku and Vegeta have to overcome a 2-5 disadvantage.

The issue there is that they aren't really changing the core stories of those movies, only details. So, yes, I don't expect anyone else to get development in RoF either, but I don't think it necessarily means the same for future arcs, due to the new story being made for a different format from the ground up.

[dbzfan7]

I wouldn't hold my breath. Rehash of gods had extended time, and the only people with real focus were Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, and Whis. Going from that the ROF arc will more than likely be the same where only those 4 have real ongoing arc's....cept Goku so really 3. Everyone else will be around, mainly as an extra cast of low carders to extend run time. While U6 sounds promising, I don't believe anything will come of it til real information starts to show something will. Til then I take the safe bet that if it does include some of the other U7 guys, they'll either be new people Beerus knew of, or the other 3 people on Team Beerus who aren't Goku & Vegeta will be shut out so Goku and Vegeta have to overcome a 2-5 disadvantage.

The issue there is that they aren't really changing the core stories of those movies, only details. So, yes, I don't expect anyone else to get development in RoF either, but I don't think it necessarily means the same for future arcs, due to the new story being made for a different format from the ground up.

There's no real interest in the other characters to be that relevant. There is interest to show some stuff they're doing, but mostly it's stuff after they've deemed their character arcs completed. Going by how the Dragon Ball formula has gone since it's run time, there's not much reason to believe there will be much development for anyone but those 4. But that's not including all the new characters who will more than likely be getting the screen time the low carders have gotten. I see people clamoring the Namekian Book of Legends or something will mean something, but no it more than likely is a throw away line that won't mean anything. People just are hoping what Malik has done with his fan Dragon Ball series happens with Piccolo. Everyone who has ever become irrelevant at least under Toriyama's control, never really comes back again to do much of anything. Happened to the humans, happened to Piccolo, happened to the halflings, etc. I don't count GT for this case since he didn't write that, but continuing his manga trend, everyone who became irrelevant at best gets maybe a moment or two if they're lucky, and that's it.

[Neon Z]

There's no real interest in the other characters to be that relevant. There is interest to show some stuff they're doing, but mostly it's stuff after they've deemed their character arcs completed. Going by how the Dragon Ball formula has gone since it's run time, there's not much reason to believe there will be much development for anyone but those 4. But that's not including all the new characters who will more than likely be getting the screen time the low carders have gotten. I see people clamoring the Namekian Book of Legends or something will mean something, but no it more than likely is a throw away line that won't mean anything. People just are hoping what Malik has done with his fan Dragon Ball series happens with Piccolo. Everyone who has ever become irrelevant at least under Toriyama's control, never really comes back again to do much of anything. Happened to the humans, happened to Piccolo, happened to the halflings, etc. I don't count GT for this case since he didn't write that, but continuing his manga trend, everyone who became irrelevant at best gets maybe a moment or two if they're lucky, and that's it.

It'll be the first time since Dragonball's run time ended that we'll be getting a story made from the ground up for a long running format though, rather than a short movie or special. So, I don't think the precedent set by these stories means that much. Like I mentioned above, making the movies focus on a large number of characters was never feasible, considering how even with the small focus that they had there's often complaints about how they handled their character development (aside from Goku in BoGs) or power ups. I think the 5 man team concept is a strong indication of that change of direction too.

Regarding characters coming in and out of focus, well, Kuririn was more relevant in the Saiyan and Namek Sagas than in the Piccolo Daimao arc and 23rd Budokai, so, it has happened before.

[dbzfan7]

There's no real interest in the other characters to be that relevant. There is interest to show some stuff they're doing, but mostly it's stuff after they've deemed their character arcs completed. Going by how the Dragon Ball formula has gone since it's run time, there's not much reason to believe there will be much development for anyone but those 4. But that's not including all the new characters who will more than likely be getting the screen time the low carders have gotten. I see people clamoring the Namekian Book of Legends or something will mean something, but no it more than likely is a throw away line that won't mean anything. People just are hoping what Malik has done with his fan Dragon Ball series happens with Piccolo. Everyone who has ever become irrelevant at least under Toriyama's control, never really comes back again to do much of anything. Happened to the humans, happened to Piccolo, happened to the halflings, etc. I don't count GT for this case since he didn't write that, but continuing his manga trend, everyone who became irrelevant at best gets maybe a moment or two if they're lucky, and that's it.

It'll be the first time since Dragonball's run time ended that we'll be getting a story made from the ground up for a long running format though, rather than a short movie or special. So, I don't think the precedent set by these stories means that much. Like I mentioned above, making the movies focus on a large number of characters was never feasible, considering how even with the small focus that they had there's often complaints about how they handled their character development (aside from Goku in BoGs) or power ups. I think the 5 man team concept is a strong indication of that change of direction too.

Regarding characters coming in and out of focus, well, Kuririn was more relevant in the Saiyan and Namek Sagas than in the Piccolo Daimao arc and 23rd Budokai, so, it has happened before.

I'm going by how the manga has handled things for years. History dictates there's no way anyone is rising out of the void to gain major plot relevance that's not something really small and probably meaningless. The 5 man team is no strong sign of anything til we see who the members are, and what they actually do in preparation or accomplish. I'll admit I have a sliver of hope it means something, but considering all the advertisements put Goku, Vegeta, Beerus, Whis, Champa, and Vados front and center. I don't think it does. Everyone else is put is usually tiny and insignificant looking in all the advertisements.

Krillin wasn't irrelevant til the Boo saga where he's pretty much glossed over. Characters having more or less relevancy in different arc's isn't new. Krillin wasn't a huge focus in the 23rd tourney mainly because the big build up is for Goku and Piccolo. He still had a great moment with Piccolo and showed how far he has come. The Daimao arc he was small simply because he was the kickstart of a drastic new tone, and the kickstart to the new arc by dying.

[Soppa Saia People]

There's no reason why Videl can't be a kickass mother who is stubborn. In fact, I'd say it would be in character for her to want to fight while pregnant only to have Gohan talk her out of it. At least with Vegeta we had multiple arcs to watch him mellow out.

Videl is not Vegeta. She was never a complex character that had multiple layers about her. She just liked to fight and happened to have a crush on Gohan which made her soften up. That's it. Never in a millions would she suggest fighting while pregnant. That would OOC more than anything because it would go against Videl characters with her becoming more calmer as she came to love Gohan more and more.

That'd be hilarious...

I think a lot of you are overreacting. Gohan isn't the next Lunch, he's the next Piccolo (what do you think he was training him for ).

More like the next Yamcha...

While the do look similar

[shinmaru]

What is this obsession with Gohan? Super just started and almost know one did something awesome Except for Gokuu and Vegeta, I think people are over exaggerating a little.