Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
Attitudefan wrote:
That is famously Hulk Hogan's pose. Recoome to me is a parody of Pro Wrestling of the late 80s and early 90s with the outrageous characters decked out in neon clothing. The Ginyus are particularly colourful (like Hogan, Warrior, Flair, Hart, Macho Man) and have special poses and phrases like wrestlers do. I think he was parodying pro wrestling (and that's why I think TFS took the direction of those episodes the way they did because they felt the same way).
Wrestlers back then had poses and phrases they used to get over. Japan less so, but the WWF is notorious for the outrageous characters. The Ginyus are also huge guys save for Guldo, who could represent the midgets in wrestling.
Obviously Toriyama was aware of Hogan since in the early 90s Hogan was doing tours in Japan. Around the same time Mr Satan appeared, Hogan was doing a gig over there in 1992/93 (with the famous clip of him declaring the WWF belt as a toy compared to the Japanese federation title). No way did Toriyama not know of this since in Japan, wrestling was (and I still think is) a huge industry.
Recoome is very much a parody of a wrestler. No doubt.
A few problems with your statements:
1) The entire Ginyu Force is a parody of Power Rangers (or rather, the genre).
2) The reason there's a pic of Arnold among those Hogan poses is because he was a Mr. Olympia winner. The pose has been standard in bodybuilding since prior to its inception in 1965. Hogan's either stealing it from bodybuilders or from Arnold's wins specifically. Arnold's career as a Mr. Olympia winner was kind of a big deal in the bodybuilding world and outside of it (it's why he became world-famous prior to his acting career). To this day, only two people have beaten his record, nobody else has ever come out of retirement like he did, and it's widely debated that if the two who had beaten his record competed against him then they would lost. He's indisputably among the top three bodybuilders of all time, arguably #1.
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I heard that Akira Toriyama guy kinda has a love-hate relationship with the series.
But really, I wonder what Michael Jackson thought of the show, seeing that Bubbles was named after his pet chimpanzee. I would assume he saw it, seeing that he'd lounge around a lot, actually blowing off concerts during the Invincible era to watch TV (mainly cartoons); which coincidentally was when DBZ was absolutely huge in America. This behavior wasn't just a thing when he had kids either, it was something he always did, which you can see by how much he loved the Simpsons and the various clips of Akira and Zillion in the "Scream" music video (I'd imagine this particular influence stems from his time in Japan during the Bad tour).
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This came off really awkwardly, but Arin has stated numerous times he's a huge fan of DBZ, along with Ross (whose wife hates it) and John. I recall Barry being mentioned as a fan, but treat that as hearsay. He also owns a few Z figures, which can be seen in the 'Grump Room'. Most prominently would be Vegeta from the S.H. Figuarts line.
Attitudefan wrote:...
Hogan's just another way to spell Gohan.
Hulk = Green
Hogan = Gohan
Hulk Hogan = Green Gohan
Green Gohan = Saiyaman.
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.
Attitudefan wrote:
That is famously Hulk Hogan's pose. Recoome to me is a parody of Pro Wrestling of the late 80s and early 90s with the outrageous characters decked out in neon clothing. The Ginyus are particularly colourful (like Hogan, Warrior, Flair, Hart, Macho Man) and have special poses and phrases like wrestlers do. I think he was parodying pro wrestling (and that's why I think TFS took the direction of those episodes the way they did because they felt the same way).
Wrestlers back then had poses and phrases they used to get over. Japan less so, but the WWF is notorious for the outrageous characters. The Ginyus are also huge guys save for Guldo, who could represent the midgets in wrestling.
Obviously Toriyama was aware of Hogan since in the early 90s Hogan was doing tours in Japan. Around the same time Mr Satan appeared, Hogan was doing a gig over there in 1992/93 (with the famous clip of him declaring the WWF belt as a toy compared to the Japanese federation title). No way did Toriyama not know of this since in Japan, wrestling was (and I still think is) a huge industry.
Recoome is very much a parody of a wrestler. No doubt.
A few problems with your statements:
1) The entire Ginyu Force is a parody of Power Rangers (or rather, the genre).
2) The reason there's a pic of Arnold among those Hogan poses is because he was a Mr. Olympia winner. The pose has been standard in bodybuilding since prior to its inception in 1965. Hogan's either stealing it from bodybuilders or from Arnold's wins specifically. Arnold's career as a Mr. Olympia winner was kind of a big deal in the bodybuilding world and outside of it (it's why he became world-famous prior to his acting career). To this day, only two people have beaten his record, nobody else has ever come out of retirement like he did, and it's widely debated that if the two who had beaten his record competed against him then they would lost. He's indisputably among the top three bodybuilders of all time, arguably #1.
1 - Super Sentai, which Power Rangers comes from, but close enough.
2 - Hogan was a fan of bodybuilding, though I'm not sure he took it from Arnold specifically. I just think he used common body building poses because it showed off his muscles.
Is there any proof that Joss Whedon is actually a DBZ fan other than a single reference in an episode of Buffy? I know James Marsters was, but I don't know if Joss or his brother are.
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No, Hogan rips off Super Star Billy Graham. At least Jesse Ventura admits to it while Hogan does not. Check out Youtube videos of Graham and maybe those poses are there. Of course though Mr. Satan = Hulk Hogan...wrestler who is the hero of the world (at least in his own mind). Guess you weren't around when Hulkamania was running wild in the 1980s. Hogan WAS wrestling as far as that went. It's no wonder Toriyama would use him as the model for Mr. Satan...
There is a porn star who likes Dragon Ball named Madison Ivy...... She wears Dragon Ball wear a lot which is kind of interesting... Lol
I heard that Akira Toriyama guy kinda has a love-hate relationship with the series.
But really, I wonder what Michael Jackson thought of the show, seeing that Bubbles was named after his pet chimpanzee. I would assume he saw it, seeing that he'd lounge around a lot, actually blowing off concerts during the Invincible era to watch TV (mainly cartoons); which coincidentally was when DBZ was absolutely huge in America. This behavior wasn't just a thing when he had kids either, it was something he always did, which you can see by how much he loved the Simpsons and the various clips of Akira and Zillion in the "Scream" music video (I'd imagine this particular influence stems from his time in Japan during the Bad tour).
Michael Jackson also had YuYuHakusho in his video which was pretty popular and a Shonen Rival to Dragon Ball at the time.
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dougo13 wrote:No, Hogan rips off Super Star Billy Graham. At least Jesse Ventura admits to it while Hogan does not. Check out Youtube videos of Graham and maybe those poses are there. Of course though Mr. Satan = Hulk Hogan...wrestler who is the hero of the world (at least in his own mind). Guess you weren't around when Hulkamania was running wild in the 1980s. Hogan WAS wrestling as far as that went. It's no wonder Toriyama would use him as the model for Mr. Satan...
And Graham rips off Mohammed Ali. Hogan hasn't come right out and said that he took much of his persona from Graham, but he has said he was a big fan and influenced by him. I don't know if Hogan was the inspiration as much as people's perceptions of American pro wrestlers in general.
The biggest truths aren't original. The truth is ketchup. It's Jim Belushi. Its job isn't to blow our minds. It's to be within reach.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky" - Michael Scott
Happiness is climate, not weather.
TheKingOfKamehamehas wrote:There is a porn star who likes Dragon Ball named Madison Ivy...... She wears Dragon Ball wear a lot which is kind of interesting... Lol
I heard that Akira Toriyama guy kinda has a love-hate relationship with the series.
But really, I wonder what Michael Jackson thought of the show, seeing that Bubbles was named after his pet chimpanzee. I would assume he saw it, seeing that he'd lounge around a lot, actually blowing off concerts during the Invincible era to watch TV (mainly cartoons); which coincidentally was when DBZ was absolutely huge in America. This behavior wasn't just a thing when he had kids either, it was something he always did, which you can see by how much he loved the Simpsons and the various clips of Akira and Zillion in the "Scream" music video (I'd imagine this particular influence stems from his time in Japan during the Bad tour).
Michael Jackson also had YuYuHakusho in his video which was pretty popular and a Shonen Rival to Dragon Ball at the time.
...Really? Which video was this?
Most Dragon Ball fans are incapable of making a logically sound argument.
TheKingOfKamehamehas wrote:There is a porn star who likes Dragon Ball named Madison Ivy...... She wears Dragon Ball wear a lot which is kind of interesting... Lol
I heard that Akira Toriyama guy kinda has a love-hate relationship with the series.
But really, I wonder what Michael Jackson thought of the show, seeing that Bubbles was named after his pet chimpanzee. I would assume he saw it, seeing that he'd lounge around a lot, actually blowing off concerts during the Invincible era to watch TV (mainly cartoons); which coincidentally was when DBZ was absolutely huge in America. This behavior wasn't just a thing when he had kids either, it was something he always did, which you can see by how much he loved the Simpsons and the various clips of Akira and Zillion in the "Scream" music video (I'd imagine this particular influence stems from his time in Japan during the Bad tour).
Michael Jackson also had YuYuHakusho in his video which was pretty popular and a Shonen Rival to Dragon Ball at the time.
...Really? Which video was this?
Crap I have a bad memory...Just searched online and there was no YuYuHakusho Lol
JacobYBM wrote:Art is subjective but boobies are forever.
They botched the Fusion Dance. Now they're either gonna become very skinny or fat.
Spoiler:
Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Bullza wrote:Here's an interview with Rhonda Rousey for the movie Entourage talking about how she wants a Dragon Ball Z movie and would like to play Android 18.
She did wear a Vegeta OVER 9000!!! shirt at Wrestlemania. AJ Lee wore a similar shirt a while ago and she's a self-professed Anime fan, so I think it's more than safe to assume she's a DB fan as well.
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VegettoEX wrote:
In a blunt nutshell, no-one wants to read bullshit. Don't post bullshit. Be a cool person that posts cool things that other people would actually want to read. Don't be Zamasu from episode 63 talking to himself.
dougo13 wrote:No, Hogan rips off Super Star Billy Graham. At least Jesse Ventura admits to it while Hogan does not. Check out Youtube videos of Graham and maybe those poses are there. Of course though Mr. Satan = Hulk Hogan...wrestler who is the hero of the world (at least in his own mind). Guess you weren't around when Hulkamania was running wild in the 1980s. Hogan WAS wrestling as far as that went. It's no wonder Toriyama would use him as the model for Mr. Satan...
And Graham rips off Mohammed Ali. Hogan hasn't come right out and said that he took much of his persona from Graham, but he has said he was a big fan and influenced by him. I don't know if Hogan was the inspiration as much as people's perceptions of American pro wrestlers in general.
And Ali ripped off Gorgeous George. And Chael Sonnen was using Billy Graham catchphrases three years ago. Everybody rips everybody off.
She wears Dragon Ball wear a lot which is kind of interesting... Lol 
