What was the point of King Cold?

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What was the point of King Cold?

Post by hexcode99 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:41 am

What was the point of this guy? It just seems King Cold was a massive waste of potential.

In the series he was introduced and killed off in a few episodes. Nameless solders could have found Frieza's body and restored him. It did not require a new useless character.
They could have revived him in the most recent movie at least. At least give him a chance to have a real fight. Seems he will also not be revived in DBSuper using the two wishes.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:56 am

That was the whole point. Freeza returning in his new improved form with his equally strong father, Goku is nowhere to be seen, everybody's scared and this Super Saiyan comes out of nowhere, cuts Freeza in half and destroys all of them like they're nothing. Epic.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by hexcode99 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:13 am

Kuririn Fan wrote:That was the whole point. Freeza returning in his new improved form with his equally strong father, Goku is nowhere to be seen, everybody's scared and this Super Saiyan comes out of nowhere, cuts Freeza in half and destroys all of them like they're nothing. Epic.
I would have preferred Goku to have returned and had a action packed fight with Freeza and King Cold.
Maybe he started to lose and then Trucks showed up to assist and finish the fight in their favor.

Would have been much more enjoyable and a dignified death for Freeza and King Cold.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Herms » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:44 pm

He's someone for Mecha Freeza to talk to who's (theoretically) more interesting than Random Soldier #23445; we've already seen Freeza interact with various henchmen, so pairing him up with his father is something new. Toriyama's mentioned in interviews his habit of introducing characters in pairs because it makes exposition easier, and while Freeza isn't a new character, this works on the same principle. He also helps raise the sense of impending doom in a way that more random Freeza henchmen can't; it's as if two Freezas are attacking Earth. Which also makes it more impressive when Trunks easily kills them both in no time flat. Which I guess is one last thing: Cold helps demonstrate that Trunks isn't just strong because of his sword. His defeat verifies that Trunks killed Freeza fair and square.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:29 pm

hexcode99 wrote: I would have preferred Goku to have returned and had a action packed fight with Freeza and King Cold.
That's what probably happened in Future Trunks timeline.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by precita » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:32 pm

King Cold was the first time we saw Freeza's race and family. He's also the inspiration for why Cooler was created.

He was never supposed to be important beyond that.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by SpiritBombTriumphant » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:37 pm

FortuneSSJ wrote:
hexcode99 wrote: I would have preferred Goku to have returned and had a action packed fight with Freeza and King Cold.
That's what probably happened in Future Trunks timeline.
That is what happened. It's also slightly implied that Freeza just might be stronger than his father, due to the way he treats him. I mean look at the sons of various characters in the show. They're all lightyears ahead of where their dads were at the same age (SSJ Trunks and Goten, for instance).

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by WittyUsername » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:47 pm

SpiritBombTriumphant wrote:
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hexcode99 wrote: I would have preferred Goku to have returned and had a action packed fight with Freeza and King Cold.
That's what probably happened in Future Trunks timeline.
That is what happened. It's also slightly implied that Freeza just might be stronger than his father, due to the way he treats him. I mean look at the sons of various characters in the show. They're all lightyears ahead of where their dads were at the same age (SSJ Trunks and Goten, for instance).
As far as the anime was concerned, Freeza seemed to respect/fear King Cold to a certain degree. Just look at the way King Cold glanced at him after Trunks became a Super Saiyan.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by FoolsGil » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:03 pm

The point of King Cold was to show how awesome Trunks was and how dangerous the next series foes will be. Tvtropes call it the Worf Effect.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by LuckyCat » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:05 pm

You can say that Cold lived on as part of Cell. And if Cell has any special move that isn't a move of the main cast, it's easy to hand wave it as Cold's technique (For all we know, Cold has dozens of moves).

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:08 pm

FoolsGil wrote:The point of King Cold was to show how awesome Trunks was and how dangerous the next series foes will be. Tvtropes call it the Worf Effect.
TBF you can do this just as easily with Freeza, it's not like Cold was a big villain like Freeza was so him getting killed doesn't have a tenth of the punch as when Freeza does.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Sandubadear » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:21 pm

ekrolo2 wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:The point of King Cold was to show how awesome Trunks was and how dangerous the next series foes will be. Tvtropes call it the Worf Effect.
TBF you can do this just as easily with Freeza, it's not like Cold was a big villain like Freeza was so him getting killed doesn't have a tenth of the punch as when Freeza does.
But the point was supposed to be: Goku had so much trouble with one Freeza, now two Freezas are coming! Then Trunks appears and defeats them effortlessly.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by ekrolo2 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:30 pm

Sandubadear wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote:
FoolsGil wrote:The point of King Cold was to show how awesome Trunks was and how dangerous the next series foes will be. Tvtropes call it the Worf Effect.
TBF you can do this just as easily with Freeza, it's not like Cold was a big villain like Freeza was so him getting killed doesn't have a tenth of the punch as when Freeza does.
But the point was supposed to be: Goku had so much trouble with one Freeza, now two Freezas are coming! Then Trunks appears and defeats them effortlessly.
A good idea that would actually work if Cold actually had a chance to establish himself as a viable threat beforehand. But in his only major appearance he bites the dust.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Sandubadear » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:55 pm

ekrolo2 wrote: A good idea that would actually work if Cold actually had a chance to establish himself as a viable threat beforehand. But in his only major appearance he bites the dust.
I don't think that is needed, though. Cold was really only created to be a second Freeza. "You know Freeza, the most terrible enemy yet? Yeah, he has a father who's as bad and as strong as Freeza is." And there you have it. He didn't need much of development.
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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Baggie_Saiyan » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:11 pm

Sandubadear wrote:
ekrolo2 wrote: A good idea that would actually work if Cold actually had a chance to establish himself as a viable threat beforehand. But in his only major appearance he bites the dust.
I don't think that is needed, though. Cold was really only created to be a second Freeza. "You know Freeza, the most terrible enemy yet? Yeah, he has a father who's as bad and as strong as Freeza is." And there you have it. He didn't need much of development.
Agree'd, being Freeza's father is all the all information the audience need especially with that earlier comment that Freeza said that his father was the only on to hit him prior to Goku.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:32 pm

FoolsGil wrote:The point of King Cold was to show how awesome Trunks was and how dangerous the next series foes will be. Tvtropes call it the Worf Effect.
Yep. That's pretty much it. The sole purpose of King Cold was to make Future Trunks a legitimate badass.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Kuwabara » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:42 pm

This thread made me think of something somewhat interesting: now that Resurrection F exists, are we to believe King Cold never trained as well? :shock:
This is the episode of when Gokuh enrages himself after Freezer talk shit about Kuririn

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by Lord Beerus » Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:47 pm

Kuwabara wrote:This thread made me think of something somewhat interesting: now that Resurrection F exists, are we to believe King Cold never trained as well? :shock:
No. Freeza is just a freak in terms of strength within his own kind.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by TheGreatness25 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:38 am

Why does every character "need a point?" There are plenty of pointless people. I like that at least we know Freeza has a dad, unlike Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Pu-erh, Oolong, Lunch, Kuririn, and others, who all have a point, but it's almost like they don't have their own story; it's as if they exist solely to be accessories in Goku's story. At least we more or less know Freeza's history instead of just some guy that exists and happens to be the strongest ever.

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Re: What was the point of King Cold?

Post by precita » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:37 am

A better question is what was the point of Yamu? Character literally had no reason to ever exist and they could have just had Spobovitch there by himself.

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