"F" Movie - pointless?

[coola]

I might be wrong, but i think, with the exception of Blooma finally able to see how Freeza look, and meet with Jako after so many years, the entire movie was pointless:
- They resurrect iconic villain, only to kill him off at the end
- Freeza challenge was supposed to be some sort of test for Goku and Vegeta, show them their flaws, and what happened because of their overconfidence, and by the end of movie, they still are like "Yeah, we still won't team up, nothing happened" Completely ignoring what Whis tried to teach them.
I really hope F will manage to tweak some plot elements

[ekrolo2]

Total, absolute, mind-numbing and frustrating waste of time and money. It seriously has no reason to exist.

[Geekdom101]

I mean I had fun watching it... it was a fun time... I can't say a FUN time is a waste... but thats just MY outlook.

[SpiritBombTriumphant]

The movie was all about fighting, which is the whole point of Z. The movie was awesome.

They resurrect iconic villain, only to kill him off at the end

Would you rather have it so that Freeza won and killed all of us?

[precita]

Why do people complain about this movie over and over? I feel like we had two long winded threads about this already.

[ekrolo2]

The movie was all about fighting, which is the whole point of Z. The movie was awesome.

They resurrect iconic villain, only to kill him off at the end

Would you rather have it so that Freeza won and killed all of us?

Bringing Freeza back and doing something other than the Fusion Reborn thing of "LOL! Look how useless Freeza is in a fight now!" would've been nice. Having him overcome his flaws, show us a smarter brand of DBZ villain, something new and exciting and not the same old bullshit that this franchise' been churning out.

[Doctor.]

Absolutely pointless, it shouldn't exist. It did NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING of worth with any of its characters. It wasn't fun, it wasn't good, it didn't have a point. It seemed like mindless fanservice after some criticism over BoG, but the type of fanservice I do not appreciate. It's easily one of the worst Dragon Ball-related things in existence.

[Chuquita]

Pointless? Mostly, but not completely. Only things I really liked about it were:

-some character designs
-Gokû and Vegeta training with Whis
-hand holding teleport

It didn't have nearly the same substance as BOG, imo. I found myself zoning out at parts in F.

I'm relieved Super's version is gonna bring back Captain Ginyu at least.

[Dragon Ball Ireland]

I wouldn't say it's pointless, as Geekdom said above it was a fun movie and that makes it worthwhile.

I'm such a fan of Dragon Ball that I get excited by the prospect of any sort of new content, and if a new property isn't amazing in one respect (story) it can always be good as an entertaining piece of film, and Resurrection F certainly fits the latter category.

Obviously it is preferable for a film to have a good story and also be entertaining wherever possible, but if that's not the case I'm happy to consume a Dragon Ball property, which has only one of the two.

[dbzfan7]

Yep utterly pointless. Well Super might change that, but going strictly by the movie it felt like it had no need to exist. It doesn't further the characters, the story, or anything. It just exists apparently so people could have more fights that BOG lacked, which I believe was a complaint some people had. It's pretty much on par with the toei flicks with some Toriyama humour thrown in the mix. I wouldn't mind as much if it were just it's own self contained story like the toei movies, but this is a continuation story of the series.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Absolutely not. The whole point of movies is to entertain the fans. And the majority fans were entertained so therefore not pointless. You could literally strip most movies down and say that, Godzilla Jurassic World Ant-man (infact most Marvel movies) for example could all be deemed "pointless".

I understand that you can dislike the movie but to call it pointless is absolutely ridiculous. Were movies 1-13 all pointless too?

[ekrolo2]

Absolutely not. The whole point of movies is to entertain the fans. And the majority fans were entertained so therefore not pointless. You could literally strip most movies down and say that, Godzilla Jurassic World Ant-man (infact most Marvel movies) for example could all be deemed "pointless".

I understand that you can dislike the movie but to call it pointless is absolutely ridiculous. Were movies 1-13 all pointless too?

Movies 1-13 did their function, entertaining side stories. From a BoG sequel, I expect more than "Look guys! All the fighting you wanted in BoG is here now! And by Toriyama-sama-sensei-dono!". Basically, everyone who liked BoG a lot regardless of the lack of action is told to piss off and everyone who just wants all the generic Z stuff that's been EVERYTHING Z RELATED for the past 20 years is good to go.

[WittyUsername]

Resurrection F was honestly a pretty generic, paint by numbers film if you ask me. It also felt like a waste of potential to me. For what was supposed to be a followup to Battle of Gods, I was expecting to see some of those alternate universes that Beerus mentioned in BoG, as opposed to bringing back a villain we've already seen before.

[GeeRod]

Well after BOG expanding the DB universe, we expected ROF to do the same but it wasn't the case. Pointless? Maybe. I had a lot of fun with ROF. This movie is the same as the other ones I don't see people complaining about Wrath of Dragon being pointless...

[DBZAOTA482]

Not really. It served it's purpose...

It was to replicate the nostalgic feelings of DBZ... though it's definitely inferior to BoG.

[TheBigBoy]

I dunno bb, I thought it was pretty good.

[DarkPrince_92]

In terms of engaging fans (more of the nostalgia heads and the casual fans, not so much us hardcore people) and making DBZ more relevant again I think it works fine. The people I watched it with had nothing but good things to say about it.

As far as helping the story move along... eh. Could've done without it. Could care less.

Having a DBZ movie for the sake of having a DBZ movie is what I felt is why it exists. "It's Dragon Ball Z" is all it really tells me watching it. Don't see why people are upset over it, honestly just enjoy the ride is all I can say.

[Pretorious]

Whether or not it's "pointless" in the way OP means will depend on how Jaco is used in follow-up stories. The other relevant issues it reveals (SSGSS and Whis's time travel technique) could have been revealed at any other point. But it's possible Jaco wouldn't have come to Earth if Freeza didn't.

OP's larger point, that the plot doesn't add to the ongoing story, is totally fair criticism. And Goku and Vegeta not learning Whis's lesson felt like Toriyama (or whoever) was telling us they aren't interested in character development. Which flies in the face of end of Z and BoG. It felt like a 180 degree turn from BoG, and, I think, was a terrible move. Why can't we have both more action AND move the plot forward? And character development? I can't think of any good reason to deny these elements from the movie.

F has some really well-choreographed fights though, and since I would say DB is a martial arts story above all else, I think it's pretty successful there.

[Baggie_Saiyan]

Absolutely not. The whole point of movies is to entertain the fans. And the majority fans were entertained so therefore not pointless. You could literally strip most movies down and say that, Godzilla Jurassic World Ant-man (infact most Marvel movies) for example could all be deemed "pointless".

I understand that you can dislike the movie but to call it pointless is absolutely ridiculous. Were movies 1-13 all pointless too?

Movies 1-13 did their function, entertaining side stories. From a BoG sequel, I expect more than "Look guys! All the fighting you wanted in BoG is here now! And by Toriyama-sama-sensei-dono!". Basically, everyone who liked BoG a lot regardless of the lack of action is told to piss off and everyone who just wants all the generic Z stuff that's been EVERYTHING Z RELATED for the past 20 years is good to go.

I am sorry but how is anyone who liked BoG told to piss off? That is an absurd statement, I loved BoG and guess what I loved Resurrection "F" too. Don't be go speaking for everyone. Toriyama retained the same if not more amount of humour but added more battle scenes too seemed like an equal trade off to me. Yes there was no new developments in the world DB but there wasn't a promise of one so I don't get why people say it didn't contribute to the "ongoing story", when frankly there isn't an "ongoing story", Super didn't exist at this point and no Manga was in the works either.

[ekrolo2]

Absolutely not. The whole point of movies is to entertain the fans. And the majority fans were entertained so therefore not pointless. You could literally strip most movies down and say that, Godzilla Jurassic World Ant-man (infact most Marvel movies) for example could all be deemed "pointless".

I understand that you can dislike the movie but to call it pointless is absolutely ridiculous. Were movies 1-13 all pointless too?

Movies 1-13 did their function, entertaining side stories. From a BoG sequel, I expect more than "Look guys! All the fighting you wanted in BoG is here now! And by Toriyama-sama-sensei-dono!". Basically, everyone who liked BoG a lot regardless of the lack of action is told to piss off and everyone who just wants all the generic Z stuff that's been EVERYTHING Z RELATED for the past 20 years is good to go.

I am sorry but how is anyone who liked BoG told to piss off? That is an absurd statement, I loved BoG and guess what I loved Resurrection "F" too. Don't be go speaking for everyone. Toriyama retained the same if not more amount of humour but added more battle scenes too seemed like an equal trade off to me. Yes there was no new developments in the world DB but there wasn't a promise of one so I don't get why people say it didn't contribute to the "ongoing story", when frankly there isn't an "ongoing story", Super didn't exist at this point and no Manga was in the works either.

That's how the movie feels like to me. Basically shunning anything resembling examining the characters or doing anything new with the God stuff (which was the entire reason people wanted a BoG sequel at all) we're just back to generic Z fighting. Generic Z fighting that was have plenty of throughout the various arcs, movies, specials,...

We didn't need more generic Z fighting even if it has Jaco or some Toriyama humor (that wasn't especially funny at all) sprinkled in-between. Hell, the movie couldn't even do the one worthwhile thing that was holding my interest: give Freeza's resurrection some respect. It's literally the Fusion Reborn scene made into a movie, the one fucking thing it should have avoided at all costs even if it ditched all that made BoG good in spite of its lack of action was not even there.

It's basically a shining example of how a franchise can just drudge along, make money while nearing creative bankruptcy because its writer and fans just want the same shit over again. If the revival of the franchise isn't used to do new stuff with it, leave it for the worms in the ditch it was buried in instead of digging it up.