The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Birusu16]

Ah, so your whole defense is feats = facts and anything else is wrong. Right, I've had this discussion plenty of times enough lately to see it would be more productive to smash my face against a beaver damn. I already made my case in my previous comments as to why I think the whole Super feats thing is just more stupid fanboy bullshit overblowing power levels to the point of absurdity until BoG basically shot them in the face by saying Base Saiyan's > Max Freeza.

In regards to a Super and GT power comparison, yes, because they don't exist in the same continuity.

And I could care less how you feel about the feats. It doesn't change the fact they happened and that they dwarf anything that happened in GT.

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

GT is clearly wacky with their feats, like SS4 Goku being cut by glass. Heck, even speed feats in Z are inconsistent. I find it dumb to try and draw comparisons with Super's feats when I doubt they'll even stay consistent later on.

I simply have Gods above GT for arbitrary power-scaling reasons, not because of non-comparable "feats".

[ekrolo2]

GT is clearly wacky with their feats, like SS4 Goku being cut by glass. Heck, even speed feats in Z are inconsistent. I find it dumb to try and draw comparisons with Super's feats when I doubt they'll even stay consistent later on.

I simply have Gods above GT for arbitrary power-scaling reasons, not because of non-comparable "feats".

How do you scale them in comparison to one another?

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

How do you scale them in comparison to one another?

SS4 Goku ~< SS3 Vegetto (Boo arc)

[I base this on the AHL anime comic, where Vegetto is stated to be perhaps greater than SS4 Goku. I interpret it as SS3 Vegetto.]

Whis >> Beers >> SSG Goku >>> SS3 Vegetto (BoG) >>...>>> SS3 Vegetto (Boo arc) >~ SS4 Goku

[Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan and Gotenks in DBS, meaning DBS Vegetto dwarfs Boo arc Vegetto, and the former is still implied (or stated) to be weaker than Beers, SSG Goku, and Whis.]

[ekrolo2]

How do you scale them in comparison to one another?

SS4 Goku ~< SS3 Vegetto (Boo arc)

[I base this on the AHL anime comic, where Vegetto is stated to be perhaps greater than SS4 Goku. I interpret it as SS3 Vegetto.]

Whis >> Beers >> SSG Goku >>> SS3 Vegetto (BoG) >>...>>> SS3 Vegetto (Boo arc) >~ SS4 Goku

[Goku and Vegeta are stronger than Gohan and Gotenks in DBS, meaning DBS Vegetto dwarfs Boo arc Vegetto, and the former is still implied (or stated) to be weaker than Beers, SSG Goku, and Whis.]

Ah, you use the AHL comics statement. I'm kinda weird about that stuff myself because GT ancillary material kind of contradicts what happens in the show with Gohan being the worst offender. Taking the comic into account, I would probably scale back SS4 Goku to being about slightly stronger than SS3 Boo Saga Vegetto, making him an 8 or 8.5 over the original 12 I gave him earlier.

[Noah]

I simply have Gods above GT for arbitrary power-scaling reasons, not because of non-comparable "feats".

I thought that you had characters like Super 17 and Omega Shenron above anyone else in BoG/RoF

[SSJ2FutureGohan]

I simply have Gods above GT for arbitrary power-scaling reasons, not because of non-comparable "feats".

I thought that you had characters like Super 17 and Omega Shenron above anyone else in BoG/RoF

Changed my mind.

[Captain Space]

GT is clearly wacky with their feats, like SS4 Goku being cut by glass. Heck, even speed feats in Z are inconsistent. I find it dumb to try and draw comparisons with Super's feats when I doubt they'll even stay consistent later on.

I simply have Gods above GT for arbitrary power-scaling reasons, not because of non-comparable "feats".

I get what you're saying, but I see a distinction. Like...a lot of the inconsistency and 'wackiness' comes from writers not putting enough thought into things, or just not being scientifically- or mathematically-inclined or whatever. Which is fine.

But then you have things that are clear and deliberate and you know that the writers meant this one because of the big deal they make out of it. Freeza (and maybe Vegeta) can destroy a planet! Wow, he must be stronger than anyone we've seen before; even people like android 8 who we technically don't have any comparison of Freeza with. But we know Freeza is stronger. Because there's no way #8 is destroying a planet. So yeah, feats, in that instance, relatively clear.

Similarly, in DB Super, three aftershocks from the gods' battle could destroy the universe. This is made out to be a Big Deal; it's not like "Look how fast this character is!" and then when you calculate it out it's actually not that impressive. It's a clear, deliberate, major plot point. I think that's the distinction for this 'type' of feat.

Hence, I'd say it's reasonable to put Super's gods on top of the GT heavy-hitters for that reason.

[ZombieVito]

Tamborine vs Roshi [22 TB arc].
Drum vs Cyborg Tao.

[Lunatic Fringe]

Tamborine vs Roshi [22 TB arc].
Drum vs Cyborg Tao.

Tambourine takes this one.
Tao drums Drum.

[ekrolo2]

Mystic Ring (of Sorbet) VS Wheerus.

[Lord Beerus]

Mystic Ring (of Sorbet) VS Wheerus.

Does he have his guard up? Because if not, he's fucked.

[dbzfan7]

Mystic Ring (of Sorbet) VS Wheerus.

It's not a mystic ring. It's a Yellow Lantern Ring from the Sinestro Corps. That DC/Dragon Ball Crossover is sooner than we think.

[DBZAOTA482]

Tamborine vs Roshi [22 TB arc].
Drum vs Cyborg Tao.

-Tamborine...?
-Tao destroys

[ahill1]

Tamborine vs Roshi [22 TB arc].
Drum vs Cyborg Tao.

I think Tambourine has a enough power advantage that Roshi's superior skills would not interfere in the outcome of the battle... but would be a pretty close battle IMO. I've Tambourine on par with Goku ( Full Match Level ).

Roshi 750
Tambourine 800

Cybotg Tao Pai Pai murders Drum; I think Cyborg Tao would defeat even Old Piccolo.

[Berserker1921]

Okay this is a big one.

Vegeta and Nappa vs the four armed warrior (that Beerus killed)?

Shisami vs Ginyu?

Guru and Slug fusion vs 1st form Frieza?

Goku (dragon ball final fight piccolo, with Kaioken) vs full powered Raditz?

Super 17 vs baby Vegeta ssj4?

Janemba vs Pure Boo?

Hidregan vs Vegeta (dragon ball super, rage boost)?

Gotenks ssj (buu saga) vs ssj goku (dragon ball super)?

Raged boost gohan vs 3% Beerus?

[SSGSS Vegetto]

Okay this is a big one.

Vegeta and Nappa vs the four armed warrior (that Beerus killed)?

Shisami vs Ginyu?

Guru and Slug fusion vs 1st form Freeza?

Goku (dragon ball final fight piccolo, with Kaioken) vs full powered Raditz?

Super 17 vs baby Vegeta ssj4?

Janemba vs Pure Boo?

Hidregan vs Vegeta (dragon ball super, rage boost)?

Gotenks ssj (buu saga) vs ssj goku (dragon ball super)?

Raged boost gohan vs 3% Beerus?

Super 17 vs. Baby Vegeta SSJ4 = Baby Vegeta SSJ4.
Janemba vs. Pure Buu = Janemba (They might be on par or am I confused?)
Hirudegarn vs. Vegeta (DBS, Rage Boost) = Vegeta stomps.
Gotenks SSJ (Buu Saga) vs. Goku SSJ (Dragon Ball Super) = If post SSJ God Goku, then Goku blinks him away, no, just thinks him away, if pre SSJ God Goku, then I can't tell.

Edit:Vegeta and Nappa vs. the four-armed warrior that Beerus killed: I assume only Vegeta (Scouter) could take him away, whether with difficulty or with ease.
Shisami vs. Ginyu: If Shisami really trained with Frieza for 4 months, then I will have to go with Shisami, and if not, then I can't speculate.

[SSGSS Vegetto]

Mystic Ring (of Sorbet) VS Wheerus.

Even if Wheerus' guard is down, do you even know who is he? Beerus+Whis = Wheerus, I don't think even any death beam or a Kamehameha wave or a Big Bang could have caught him off guard, you have to think about it.

[SSGSS Vegetto]

Tamborine vs Roshi [22 TB arc].
Drum vs Cyborg Tao.

1) Tambourine takes this one.
2) Cyborg Tao beats the soul out of Drum.

[Captain Space]

Okay this is a big one.

Vegeta and Nappa vs the four armed warrior (that Beerus killed)?

Shisami vs Ginyu?

Guru and Slug fusion vs 1st form Freeza?

Goku (dragon ball final fight piccolo, with Kaioken) vs full powered Raditz?

Super 17 vs baby Vegeta ssj4?

Janemba vs Pure Boo?

Hidregan vs Vegeta (dragon ball super, rage boost)?

Gotenks ssj (buu saga) vs ssj goku (dragon ball super)?

Raged boost gohan vs 3% Beerus?

Vegeta and Nappa, I don't see that alien as being all that special in the grand scale of things whereas the saiyans were one of the universe's most powerful warrior races.

Depends which end of the plothole quagmire that is Shisami's strength you look at it from. Ginyu would wreck a Zarbon-level fighter, but get destroyed by a Piccolo-level one.

I don't think fusing with Guru would make Slug that much stronger. But who's to say Slug isn't already 1st form Freeza level or above? How powerful is he? How about Goku in that movie? I dunno.

If Vegeta works out how to beat 17 fast enough, he should win easily. If he doesn't, he's gonna be worn down accidentally powering up 17.

Hmm. Buu should be much stronger than first-form Janemba, but after being killed like that, we get Super Janemba, so I guess that's the real fight here. And this one would take a long time...they're in the same ballpark in strength and striking speed, but Janemba's resilience and Buu's regeneration make it difficult for either to put the other down. Not sure if either can actually get tired, at that...anyway, I don't see Buu finding a way to dent Janemba's hide, so after enough fighting, Janemba eventually works out a way to eradicate Buu entirely.

I don't think Vegeta would be thinking clearly enough to find its weakness. He'd uselessly beat it up for a bit, run out of steam and get stomped.

I'd say Gotenks, but I think that puts me in the minority...

I think all of Gohan's latent/hidden 'rage-y' power is brought out in his mystic form, right? Anyway, that depends on how strong exactly 3% Beerus is. How much of his power did he use to beat SSJ3 Goku? I dunno. 10% Beerus would win this for sure, we can say that with confidence at least.