What you think about DBS?

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:18 pm

GTX wrote:
Because TV ratings are an absolutely infallible, completely objective method for presenting the quality of a cartoon.
It has higher rating it mean it's good. Also it has very significant gap .

Not particularly, no. And again, you keep calling on people to provide evidence. Are you exempt from this scrutiny yourself?

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:19 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
GTX wrote:
GT aired on primetime TV so naturally it would have higher ratings and even then it did very poorly for it's timeslot.
What is your proof for this? citation, if you don't have i ignore it and consider it as fake or false.
Funny you ask me this when you can just look it up on the Kanzenshuu database.

GT had the average ratings of only 14.6%... that's drastically worse than even some of the lowest-rated episodes of DB and DBZ (which were the most popular anime/manga when it was fresh).

Super is fresh but is significantly worse than GT surely.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:20 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
GTX wrote:
Because TV ratings are an absolutely infallible, completely objective method for presenting the quality of a cartoon.
It has higher rating it mean it's good. Also it has very significant gap .
Not particularly, no. And again, you keep calling on people to provide evidence. Are you exempt from this scrutiny yourself?

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
It's in the DB wikipedia so it's common sense to check it. At least i stating proof than state something random. That's quite rude to state something random without proof.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:21 pm

GTX wrote: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
It's in the DB wikipedia.

A Wiki is not a valid source (this wiki in particular), as I could go in there right now and change all the ratings to zero. An actual source, please, as long as you're demanding them from others.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:24 pm

Kamiccolo9 wrote:
GTX wrote: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
It's in the DB wikipedia.
A Wiki is not a valid source (this wiki in particular), as I could go in there right now and change all the ratings to zero. An actual source, please, as long as you're demanding them from others.

At least it's much more valid than stating random. That's rude honestly.
DB wiki also has better proof reading than rabid fans imagination it's trustworthy enough for this kind of datas .

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:27 pm

GTX wrote:Why hating GT. GT's rating way higher than super.

These are things both shows have in common yet the responses from fans are the polar opposite :

Gt has a different art style : "It sucks because it doesn't look like Z".
Super has a different art style : "it's the way animation is today so it's acceptable"

Gt has slow fights : "It sucks because the fights aren't as fast paced as Z's"
Super has slow fights : "It's a weekly series so it's to be expected"

Gt doesn't utilizing the other characters : "it sucks because it's only about Goku"
Super doesn't utilize the other characters : "Oh well I'll enjoy it regardless"

Gt starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : "It sucks because it's going back to the early days of DB"
Super starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : It makes sense for it to go back to it's roots"

Gt rehashes plot points : "They ran out of ideas"
Super rehashes entire stories : "not everyone got to see them so it makes sense"

How do you think the responses would be if Toriyama wrote Gt instead of Super ?

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:28 pm

GTX wrote:
Kamiccolo9 wrote:
GTX wrote: http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
It's in the DB wikipedia.
A Wiki is not a valid source (this wiki in particular), as I could go in there right now and change all the ratings to zero. An actual source, please, as long as you're demanding them from others.
At least it's much more valid than stating random. That's rude honestly.
DB wiki also has better proof reading than rabid fans imagination it's trustworthy enough for this kind of datas .

The Dragon Ball wiki is a hack site that is notorious for being inaccurate and not providing sources, with administration that actively fights against improvement.

And I'm hardly a "rabid fan."

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:35 pm

sintzu wrote:
GTX wrote:Why hating GT. GT's rating way higher than super.
These are things both shows have in common yet the responses from fans are the polar opposite :

Gt has a different art style : "It sucks because it doesn't look like Z".
Super has a different art style : "it's the way animation is today so it's acceptable"

Gt has slow fights : "It sucks because the fights aren't as fast paced as Z's"
Super has slow fights : "It's a weekly series so it's to be expected"

Gt doesn't utilizing the other characters : "it sucks because it's only about Goku"
Super doesn't utilize the other characters : "Oh well I'll enjoy it regardless"

Gt starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : "It sucks because it's going back to the early days of DB"
Super starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : It makes sense for it to go back to it's roots"

Gt rehashes plot points : "They ran out of ideas"
Super rehashes entire stories : "not everyone got to see them so it makes sense"

How do you think the responses would be if Toriyama wrote Gt instead of Super ?

Yes, the hypocrisy is obvious.

MajinMan · Post by **MajinMan** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:36 pm

I'm pretty sure that GT's ratings are higher because people watch less TV now. As for my thoughts on Super, I think it's great. I like the comedic moments so far. The music is kind of a let down though, but it's still far above the Buu Kai score which was shit.

DBZAOTA482 · Post by **DBZAOTA482** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:41 pm

GTX wrote:Super is fresh but is significantly worse than GT surely.

Super wins out for not having the BS Saga and Pan or her obnoxious sidekick Giru (though Chi-Chi and Mr. Boo rival them in awfulness in Super but they don't appear nearly as often).

sintzu wrote:
GTX wrote:Why hating GT. GT's rating way higher than super.
These are things both shows have in common yet the responses from fans are the polar opposite :

Gt has a different art style : "It sucks because it doesn't look like Z".
Super has a different art style : "it's the way animation is today so it's acceptable"

Gt has slow fights : "It sucks because the fights aren't as fast paced as Z's"
Super has slow fights : "It's a weekly series so it's to be expected"

Gt doesn't utilizing the other characters : "it sucks because it's only about Goku"
Super doesn't utilize the other characters : "Oh well I'll enjoy it regardless"

Gt starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : "It sucks because it's going back to the early days of DB"
Super starts out with a lighthearted/gag tone : It makes sense for it to go back to it's roots"

Gt rehashes plot points : "They ran out of ideas"
Super rehashes entire stories : "not everyone got to see them so it makes sense"

How do you think the responses would be if Toriyama wrote Gt instead of Super ?

Toriyama isn't actually involved with the remakes, though. It's 99% Toei.

sintzu · Post by **sintzu** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:45 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Toriyama isn't actually involved with the remakes, though. It's 99% Toei.

Where did you get this from ? and even if it's true they're still based on his stories so that makes him involved by default.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:53 pm

The Dragon Ball wiki is a hack site that is notorious for being inaccurate and not providing sources, with administration that actively fights against improvement.

It's stated as fuji tv rating. At least you can start checking and googling.
You have the number the air date the source of the claim (you can start looking or verified it) unlike random statement that effortly try to avoid at all cost giving citation. That's quite rude, childish and degrading the discussion.

Kamiccolo9 · Post by **Kamiccolo9** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:56 pm

GTX wrote:
The Dragon Ball wiki is a hack site that is notorious for being inaccurate and not providing sources, with administration that actively fights against improvement.
It's stated as fuji tv rating. At least you can start checking and googling.
You have the number the air date the source of the claim (you can start looking or verified it) unlike random statement that effortly try to avoid at all cost giving citation. That's quite rude, childish and degrading the discussion.

It's not my job to prove your argument for you. If you are making a point, take the effort to back it up. And I was not the one originally making any kind of point at all; DBZAUTEwhatever was. You just seem to have a double standard when it comes to providing evidence for claims.

LuckyCat · Post by **LuckyCat** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:57 pm

GTX wrote:http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT

According to your data (which appears to use kanzenshuu as its source), GT's highest rated episode was 19.6%. During this same time, the highest rated anime in Japan (Chibi Maruko Chan) averaged ratings of 39.9%.

Currently, the highest rated animated show in japan is (Sazae-san) is at the top with 14.2%.

Two takeaways from this:

1) DBGT was no where close in ratings to the highest rated anime show during its highest rated episode.
2) Traditional TV viewership in Japan is down drastically, to a point where comparing the data sets is meaningless. You'd need to look at DVR recording rates, comment video site ratings (FC2, Himawari, etc.) to get any accurate data on anime popularity in Japan.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 2:59 pm

Super wins out for not having the BS Saga and Pan or her obnoxious sidekick Giru (though Chi-Chi and Mr. Boo rival them in awfulness in Super but they don't appear nearly as often).

Super saiyan videl is not a bullshit?Too many wtf moment is super like this one. super if i said in rude way it's fanfiction level. Too random too many plotholes and contradictions.

fadeddreams5 · Post by **fadeddreams5** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:01 pm

GT is probably even more "fanfiction level," tbh.

Doctor. · Post by **Doctor.** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:08 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:GT is probably even more "fanfiction level," tbh.

It's even worse. There is fanfiction out there that when they're actually original for once, can execute its original concept properly.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:11 pm

LuckyCat wrote:
GTX wrote:http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_GT
According to your data (which appears to use kanzenshuu as its source), GT's highest rated episode was 19.6%. During this same time, the highest rated anime in Japan (Chibi Maruko Chan) averaged ratings of 39.9%.

Currently, the highest rated animated show in japan is (Sazae-san) is at the top with 14.2%.

Two takeaways from this:

1) DBGT was no where close in ratings to the highest rated anime show during its highest rated episode.
2) Traditional TV viewership in Japan is down drastically, to a point where comparing the data sets is meaningless. You'd need to look at VCR recording rates, comment video site ratings (FC2, Himawari, etc.) to get any accurate data on anime popularity in Japan.

I don't like your assumption because it will not proof anything. In the end GT has proven its famous and bring fortune for toei too for almost 2 decade unlike super. So GT is much better .super has not proven anything yet . Though i don't care anymore.

MajinMan · Post by **MajinMan** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:11 pm

GTX wrote:
Super wins out for not having the BS Saga and Pan or her obnoxious sidekick Giru (though Chi-Chi and Mr. Boo rival them in awfulness in Super but they don't appear nearly as often).
Super saiyan videl is not a bullshit?Too many wtf moment is super like this one. super if i said in rude way it's fanfiction level. Too random too many plotholes and contradictions.

Videl never went "super saiyan," and all the things you are saying about Super can apply to GT as well. Trying to find proof that GT was better is impossible because it's all opinion based.

GTX · Post by **GTX** » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:12 pm

GT is probably even more "fanfiction level," tbh.

GT is not random and inconsistent unlike super though.

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