What you think about DBS?

[Hero]

In simple terms: I'm starting to wish this anime was never made and we got a weekly manga series instead. Toyotaro's art doesn't have the same charm as Toriyama's (especially AT's earlier work) but it would be a huge step up from the anime. The comedy is nailed in the manga, the fights actually have more punch to them even though it's just ink on paper and the characters feel more like themselves... and this is all from just a monthly series!

[Doctor.]

Super is way too focused on Goku and Vegeta.

DBZ never focused on one character too much. They gave everyone from Piccolo, to Krillin, to Gohan, to Bulma, to Tenshinhan, etc. time to shine. Now its just...all Goku and Vegeta.

What? You must be remembering the series wrong, because it was basically the same thing, especially the original DB. Either that or you're just ignoring whenever Super gives screen-time to other characters.

[dbzfan7]

Super is way too focused on Goku and Vegeta.

DBZ never focused on one character too much. They gave everyone from Piccolo, to Krillin, to Gohan, to Bulma, to Tenshinhan, etc. time to shine. Now its just...all Goku and Vegeta.

What? You must be remembering the series wrong, because it was basically the same thing, especially the original DB. Either that or you're just ignoring whenever Super gives screen-time to other characters.

I'd say far more in line with the original Dragon Ball rather than Dragon Ball Z. I mean Super's direction really isn't that much different than how the original half of the series handled things.

[precita]

Goku and Vegeta got lots of screentime in DBZ, but so did a lot of other characters. Focus constantly shifted to Piccolo, Krillin, Gohan, Future Trunks, etc. and all other supporting characters.

In Super the Beerus episodes were all about Goku, the Freeza movie when adapted to eps largely focuses on Goku and Vegeta, and only Goku and Vegeta train with Whis. Aside from knowing Piccolo and Buu will be in the next tournament, its still not a lot.

If fighting Freeza's soldiers was the last hurrah for the older cast, it wasn't a very good sendoff.

[Shinsa]

I really wish Super was a show about a new generation of fighters with new characters. Kinda like how Korra is to Last air bender because even if the music, animation, sound effects and acting are bad at least it would have a compelling and hopefully good new story.

Then for those that still enjoy the original cast, thats what the movies would be for. However i dont know if fans or Toei would be interested in that which IMO is hurting the franchise e.i. what DBS actually is.

[DBZAOTA482]

Why would anyone expect a long-running series to try to match the animation of two films?

Because Z was pretty close to it's movies back in the 90's.

Yes, one or two episodes in 50. Most episodes looked like shit.

If they look like shit then I'd hate to see what you think of what Super and most of Toei's shows look like.

[Doctor.]

If they look like shit then I'd hate to see what you think of what Super and most of Toei's shows look like.

They also look bad most of the time, what's your point?

[sintzu]

If they look like shit then I'd hate to see what you think of what Super and most of Toei's shows look like.

What's your point?

His point is that Z although not perfect didn't look nearly as bad as Super especially when it came to the fighting choreography which was always on par if not better then it's movies which is very impresive when you look at how long they'd last especially Goku's fight with Freeza.

Can you really say that Super's fights are on par with it's movies ? or anywhere close to them ?

[FortuneSSJ]

Can you really say that Super's fights are on par with it's movies ? or anywhere close to them ?

Well, all Super BOG fights are indeed better than the Movie counterpart.

The only problem is in SSG Goku vs Beerus fight, where the fight got dragged and there was Kamehameha spam. I don't know what they were thinking.
The fight was still handled better though.

[ekrolo2]

Supers look I feel has more to do with the style and not completely with the production side of things. As others have said, the Yamamuro style looks really good when its got a budget and time to get animated well as was the case with BoG and F. With the Super budget and production values it looks really, really janky and borderline ugly a lot of the time. Its also 2015 so I think people were (rightfully) expecting an upgrade in quality over a downgrade.

[buutenks]

I am glad super was made.

Beats DBGT.

[Kuririn Fan]

I am glad super was made.

Beats DBGT.

GT at least had new content.

[Tsufuru]

super is retelling the movies, the movies where about goku and vegeta becoming ssjgod........sooooooo.

[sintzu]

Well, all Super BOG fights are indeed better than the Movie counterpart.

The only problem is in SSG Goku vs Beerus fight, where the fight got dragged and there was Kamehameha spam.The fight was still handled better though.

Goku's fight with Beerus on Kai's planet was no where near what we got in the movie.

Buu's fight was better but I can't say the same for the other Z fighters especially Gohan.

Vegeta's was overall the same which makes it worse cause they chose to focus on a gag scene for nearly an entire episode instead of what should've been a major fight episode.

If the final battle dragged on and there was spamming then that means it wasn't better.

[FortuneSSJ]

Goku's fight with Beerus on Kai's planet was no where near what we got in the movie.

Buu's fight was better but I can't say the same for the other Z fighters especially Gohan.

Vegeta's was overall the same which makes it worse cause they chose to focus on a gag scene for nearly an entire episode instead of what should've been a major fight episode.

If the final battle dragged on and there was spamming then that means it wasn't better.

1) Of course no, it was far better. Goku fought in all his forms, lasted more time and was beaten in a more satisfying manner. We also had a scene where Goku backed off by instinct and Beerus praises it, because he was ready to kill him. Also, this fight has BGM.

In the movie we had a underwhelming fight, with Goku fighting like a kid. Only punching and without any background music. The only cool part is when he puts a hole in Kaio's planet.

The fight is short and lame. While Super version is cooler and entertaining.

2) Gohan part was indeed lame in Super. But all the other Z Fighters lasted longer and did better than the Movie.

3) Vegeta's snap and fight was still better than the movie.

4) No, it only means its not perfect. It still better than the movie:
- This time we actually see Goku getting used to his God form.
- The feats are what I expected from a Gods fight.
- Beerus attacks are better.
- The dragons aura effect was cool. Reminded me of SSJ Goku vs Freeza aura bubbles, before Freeza attacks Namek's core.
- Goku's line "I'm me" and the part where he puts Beerus in his place, and says he's no one to say decide the limits of anyone.

[Kuririn Fan]

Goku's fight with Beerus on Kai's planet was no where near what we got in the movie.

Buu's fight was better but I can't say the same for the other Z fighters especially Gohan.

Vegeta's was overall the same which makes it worse cause they chose to focus on a gag scene for nearly an entire episode instead of what should've been a major fight episode.

If the final battle dragged on and there was spamming then that means it wasn't better.

1) Of course no, it was far better. Goku fought in all his forms, lasted more time and was beaten in a more satisfying manner. We also had a scene where Goku backed off by instinct and Beerus praises it, because he was ready to kill him. Also, this fight has BGM.

In the movie we had a underwhelming fight, with Goku fighting like a kid. Only punching and without any background music. The only cool part is when he puts a hole in Kaio's planet.

The fight is short and lame. While Super version is cooler and entertaining.

2) Gohan part was indeed lame in Super. But all the other Z Fighters lasted longer and did better than the Movie.

3) Vegeta's snap and fight was still better than the movie.

4) No, it only means its not perfect. It still better than the movie:
- This time we actually see Goku getting used to his God form.
- The feats are what I expected from a Gods fight.
- Beerus attacks are better.
- The dragons aura effect was cool. Reminded me of SSJ Goku vs Freeza aura bubbles, before Freeza attacks Namek's core.
- Goku's line "I'm me" and the part where he puts Beerus in his place, and says he's no one to say decide the limits of anyone.

I agree. The fights are better in Super. Super is ok, i'm a fanboy so i'll watch and love everything Dragon Ball related, but Super has nice slice of life episodes and it connects nicely post-Kid Boo time with Bog and BoG with RoF. While the movie retellings may not be as good as the movies, fights surely are longer and better.

[Araki]

As someone who struggled through GT again recently, i don't know how anyone could call Goku vs Beerus a beam fest. It had a lot of hand to hand combat and pretty much only one episode of beam vs beam. While GT was beam spamming all around and pretty much no close combat, with blocks and the likes.

In fact, Toei always seemed to love a Kamehameha in fillers and movies. IIRC, episode 199 (Goku vs Paikuhan) alone had 4, the same amount of the entire Goku vs Beerus in Super. At least they've been trying to tone it down.

[ekrolo2]

I can't agree with any of the Super fights being better than BoGs.

Goku vs Beerus on King Kai's in the movie is mercifully and perfectly short, it serves a narrative purpose to show Goku being cocky which comes into play throughout the rest of the movie and its actually well animated. The Super version sort of expanded on the pride angle by having Goku underestimate Beerus by using inferior forms but it lasts too long, him using weaker forms is trying to expand on an idea nothing after explores at all and its badly animated.

Beerus vs the Z-fighters was eh in both but at least BoG had them get taken out in better ways than the classic Z repeating animation punches and then being forced back by Beerus' invisible ass fart. The chop stick part with Piccolo alone is better than the Super version.

Vegeta's fight is once again longer but the setup for it was completely laughable. Bulma getting slapped and Vegeta's reaction to it was so completely over the top I was fucking floored through like half the fight. Then it threw in that 10% line which makes me sick to my stomach with the way all the fanboys are exaggerating it as LAWL RAGITUH > SSJ3 VEGETTO C0NFIRMZED!

Then there's Goku vs Beerus: total garbage.

First, Goku's transformation makes a lot more sense in the movie. Its treated like any other transformation, once you activate it, you get the peak amount of power the form gives you and then it drops the more you use it during battle or from injuries. In Super its.... randomly growing and giving Goku more and more reserves out of nowhere to drag things out more.

The feat is completely wasted here just the same as making Vegeta a planet buster in his first serious fight was a waste in the Saiyan arc. What's supposed to impress me after this exactly? The entire multiverse dying from a God clash? Why not save this for something like the final battle or one of the late series fights?

The movie also had better locales from cities to forests to wastelands to the underground and finally space. Super took place in the two most boring locations possible, in the middle of nowhere over the ocean and then half of it was in space. The dialogue in the movie also served the purpose of reinforcing the theme of pride and where Goku & Vegeta are in relation to one another at this point in the story. Super is basically "BEERUS-SAMA!" and "SUPA SAIYAJIN GODDO!" Riveting shit, they must've hired Broly to write this.

[dbzfan7]

I can't agree with any of the Super fights being better than BoGs.

Goku vs Beerus on King Kai's in the movie is mercifully and perfectly short, it serves a narrative purpose to show Goku being cocky which comes into play throughout the rest of the movie and its actually well animated. The Super version sort of expanded on the pride angle by having Goku underestimate Beerus by using inferior forms but it lasts too long, him using weaker forms is trying to expand on an idea nothing after explores at all and its badly animated.

Beerus vs the Z-fighters was eh in both but at least BoG had them get taken out in better ways than the classic Z repeating animation punches and then being forced back by Beerus' invisible ass fart. The chop stick part with Piccolo alone is better than the Super version.

Vegeta's fight is once again longer but the setup for it was completely laughable. Bulma getting slapped and Vegeta's reaction to it was so completely over the top I was fucking floored through like half the fight. Then it threw in that 10% line which makes me sick to my stomach with the way all the fanboys are exaggerating it as LAWL RAGITUH > SSJ3 VEGETTO C0NFIRMZED!

Then there's Goku vs Beerus: total garbage.

First, Goku's transformation makes a lot more sense in the movie. Its treated like any other transformation, once you activate it, you get the peak amount of power the form gives you and then it drops the more you use it during battle or from injuries. In Super its.... randomly growing and giving Goku more and more reserves out of nowhere to drag things out more.

The feat is completely wasted here just the same as making Vegeta a planet buster in his first serious fight was a waste in the Saiyan arc. What's supposed to impress me after this exactly? The entire multiverse dying from a God clash? Why not save this for something like the final battle or one of the late series fights?

The movie also had better locales from cities to forests to wastelands to the underground and finally space. Super took place in the two most boring locations possible, in the middle of nowhere over the ocean and then half of it was in space. The dialogue in the movie also served the purpose of reinforcing the theme of pride and where Goku & Vegeta are in relation to one another at this point in the story. Super is basically "BEERUS-SAMA!" and "SUPA SAIYAJIN GODDO!" Riveting shit, they must've hired Broly to write this.

1. Using more forms was a really cool idea, but the fight was so garbage that I'd rather they not bother with SSJ/SSJ2. Hell SSJ/SSJ2 was basically the same thing when Goku fought in those forms. Like a copy paste fight.

2. Agreed. Also gotta mention the Gohan 86 moment.

3. All of that. It no longer feels like a quick snap any more. It's like funimation had that stupid internal monologuing instead of being silent. The 10% crap was when I said fuck DBS power levels, they now run on DBS Logic just like GT has GT Logic.

4. The thing that pissed me off most about Beerus vs Goku was the stupid dragon shit which I kept laughing at. Oh my god Beerus and Goku released their stands "Rock the Dragon" and "Dragon God". Even more silly was Goku healing himself? What was that all about? If both these come back I may change my mind, but otherwise they feel so out of place.

[soleil444]

I rewatch the battle Gohan vs Cell and Goku vs Baby, what a fight!!

It's sad to not see a fight like that in DBS..May be in next days we will watching battle Goku & Vegeta SSJB vs Freezer, but now i have a many points:

-DBS has good animation but poor story, content no original (based on 2 films)
-When i compare it with GT: more funny but also more child, on GT we have a story and an original content, not like Super.
-The fights on DBZ (Goku vs Vegeta, Gohan vs Cell, Gotenks vs Boo or Goten vs Trunks) and in DBGT (Pan vs Baby, Goku vs Baby, Goku SSJ4 vs dragon, Gogeta SSJ4 vs dragon, or Goten vs Gohan) are really good and dynamics, not like the fight Beerus-Goku in Super. We have ONLY one fight in the first part of DBS, i don't like this.
-Two characters who i appreciated so much: Whis & Beerus, good for DBS.
Finally, i really wait to watching the big fight in the second part of DBS, wait & see!