Why so much dislike to the show making fun of X character ?

[DBZAOTA482]

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

Umm... no, I never liked Vegeta for bring an ass clown. I liked him because of his characterization (he's one of the few characters that has more than two dimensions) and his badass attitude.

[Doctor.]

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

Umm... no, I never liked Vegeta for bring an ass clown. I liked him because of his characterization (he's one of the few characters that has more than two dimensions) and his badass attitude.

Him being "an ass clown" is just one way he has been humiliated. His character developed through the countless times where he's humiliated by the villains and/or Goku. He'd be an extremely boring and one note character if this wasn't the case.

[MozillaVulpix]

The problem is the reasons behind them. Vegeta being humiliated is supposed to be funny because it's a contrast with how he normally acts. It's there to poke fun at how 'badass' Vegeta presents himself. Krillin being made fun of doesn't have a real reason behind it besides Toei deciding Krillin would be the universe's Butt Monkey.

The problem with them making fun of Gohan is it's sort of there to punish Gohan for being a scholar. Everyone says it's great he's following his dreams, but it's not great when they story wants to flat-out make him the butt of jokes because of it. It's probably why people want to see him back in action again.

[fadeddreams5]

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

And conversely, whenever Vegeta gets his way, that's when his character becomes the absolute worst. i.e Android/Cell arc Vegeta.

To me, Vegeta is at his best during moments like these, which is what he's most recognized for:
https://youtu.be/bthV2eFZuCY?t=5m32s
https://youtu.be/ns2zpQl3vF4?t=11m20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRw-DMflDeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMFt10JYKo

And an actual good clip from Super before he reverted back to a ballerina and chef later in the episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMaU3FNrVqE

The stone cold prince who never gives up and occasionally delivers awesome speeches--that's Vegeta at his best.

[Doctor.]

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

I've said this multiple times and I'll repeat myself again: Vegeta is undeniably at his BEST when he's being humiliated. Now whether he's being humiliated by his opponent or he purposefully humiliates himself to acquire something is irrelevant, but it's in these occasions that his character truly shines.

And conversely, whenever Vegeta gets his way, that's when his character becomes the absolute worst. i.e Android/Cell arc Vegeta.

To me, Vegeta is at his best during moments like these, which is what he's most recognized for:
https://youtu.be/bthV2eFZuCY?t=5m32s
https://youtu.be/ns2zpQl3vF4?t=11m20s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRw-DMflDeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhMFt10JYKo

And an actual good clip from Super before he reverted back to a ballerina and chef later in the episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMaU3FNrVqE

The stone cold prince who never gives up and occasionally delivers awesome speeches--that's Vegeta at his best.

The one against Boo and the one in Super came from him being humiliated: being defeated so effortlessly against Boo and losing to Beerus, to the point where he got his head stepped on, a few episodes prior in Super. The Pui Pui moment is a good one without relying on Vegeta being humiliated, I'll give you that. The other one is just the generic and uninteresting "Rah, I'm the strongest and I'll find a way to get more power, argh!" Vegeta.

Look at some of Vegeta's best moments. His speech against Boo that you posted, his speech about wanting to surpass Super Saiyan, his sacrifice, when he stands up against Recoome, his speech when he was dying to Freeza. What do all of those have in common? He was either being beaten to a pulp in the most effortless way possible or was about to die for nothing.

[fadeddreams5]

I thought you meant humiliated as in, well, BINGO!

When he's getting beaten and perseveres through the beating, yeah, that sort of humiliation does bring out the best of the character.

[Doctor.]

I thought you meant humiliated as in, well, BINGO!

When he's getting beaten and perseveres through the beating, yeah, that sort of humiliation does bring out the best of the character.

I said whether he was purposefully humiliating himself to acquire something OR being humiliated by his opponent.

[Soppa Saia People]

my probelm with Vegeta in Super is that hes back to Cell saga version which I hate.

No way Vegeta is like anything from the Cell arc. He was an outright asshole in the arc, that created more problems than he solved, and only through extreme circumstances, showed even a glimpse of humanity.

In Super, I actually find Vegeta's antics hilarious because it shows how accustomed Vegeta has become to surroundings. Vegeta realises just how silly his friends, family and the situations that he can sometimes get into can be and instead of being anti-social, he just joins in on the antics and embraces it. And I love that. It show that Vegeta can do more than just growl or scoff at everything.

Huh ? Really ? I haven't watched Super since EP 4 so I guess I can't talk about. And I guess pre Boo whould have been better.

[jjgp1112]

Because some fans are overly defensive of their favorite characters to the point of treating them like actual people.

[shinmaru]

I understand where the frustration is coming from, people are used to a proud serious looking Vegeta,
instead he turned into gag character. If this happened 10 years ago I would be probably stressing too.

[Vynak]

For me I'm made more uncomfortable/angry by other situations like Vegeta holding Goku but I'm aware I'm inconsistently hypersensitive so I keep my crazy to myself, not all can do that.

This was a weird/uncomfortable scene for me as well simply because it lasted way too long and wasn't really presented as a gag.

[EXBadguy]

Like a couple people said, it's the way the gags and comedy is displayed towards the character, though too much comedy towards a badass character can really fuck things up. I haven't watched Super yet, but I have seen pictures of Chef Vegeta, and man... I just wanna shake my head. I admit, the dub made me like Vegeta's bingo dance, as it was way funnier than the original version to me.

[successoroffate]

I don't think Super is making him look a clown and I agree with what someone said earlier: Vegeta is at his best when he's getting humiliated. To be honest, if you guys hate the treatment he's getting on Super then, why don't you guys complain about him Marrying Bulma. That is just a turn off if you just like him for his bad ass attitude.

The hate for Super allegedly killing the Vegeta Character is unfounded.

[Wezenheim]

Like a couple people said, it's the way the gags and comedy is displayed towards the character, though too much comedy towards a badass character can really fuck things up. I haven't watched Super yet, but I have seen pictures of Chef Vegeta, and man... I just wanna shake my head. I admit, the dub made me like Vegeta's bingo dance, as it was way funnier than the original version to me.

I actually liked the bingo dance and it legitimately made me chuckle. It was so ridiculous and unexpected that I just couldn't help myself. People like to complain about bingo Vegeta a lot and I guess I don't get it.

I don't think Super is making him look a clown and I agree with what someone said earlier: Vegeta is at his best when he's getting humiliated. To be honest, if you guys hate the treatment he's getting on Super then, why don't you guys complain about him Marrying Bulma. That is just a turn off if you just like him for his bad ass attitude.

The hate for Super allegedly killing the Vegeta Character is unfounded.

Vegeta's had bad gags sure, but he's also had some of the best ones. People hate apron/maid Vegeta but I thought it was pretty amusing how he took his time smoothing Beerus' sheets when Beerus had Goku in a leg lock. I also liked the scene where he tried to gently crack eggs and he kept breaking them. I dunno, humor is subjective and while not every gag hits the mark, I've liked some of his gags.

I guess I understand where people are coming from, but I always take gag scenes with a grain of salt because well, they are gags. Now if you wanted to debate about something say Vegeta being OOC when he kneeled at Whis' feet to ask for training, that'd be a different story. (Disclaimer: I don't necessarily believe Vegeta was out of character in this scene, I just used it as an example).