Goku and Vegeta's Sexuality

[Hero]

Yeah yeah, a topic like this may makes some eyes roll, but we should all be capable of having an actual discussion about Goku and Vegeta's sexuality (well, some of us, at least )

Goku:

Before his marriage to Chi Chi we get no indication that he's sexually interested in any girl, whatsoever. Now even though he didn't see one until his tween years, that doesn't mean he shouldn't feel some sort of attraction after a while. This makes me think that either by his Saiyan genes or him just being Goku, he's more or less asexual as a teen. After marriage, though, we do see some glimpses of him having feelings for Chi Chi but they're never really explained to be actual romantic or him just caring for her as a companion and person he's close to. To make things worse, there's the Toriyama quote of him saying Goku doesn't see his family as wife, son, etc. but as companions. Even in the new chapter of the Super manga where he says he likes Chi Chi it's just that, like. Not love, care for, he's "into her", etc.

As an adult he also never shows any signs of libido or even caring about "female anatomy" save for the time he told Elder Kai that Bulma has bigger "chi chis" than Chi Chi

Also, he has no issue staying dead and thus not getting "any" from his wife or being away from her for long periods of time. From this I can only take away that Goku is essentially asexual. Now to be fair, Dragon Ball isn't the type of show that focuses on sex (save for jokes and gags) and Goku could genuinely enjoy sex, but the way his character is portrayed, I don't think he cares about it. He may find it fun in the moment but it's so far behind training, fighting and food as an interest that really he doesn't give two shits about it. I will say that he does like Chi Chi a lot. Not as a wife but as a very close companion which can be seen when he picks her up after getting better from the heart virus.


Vegeta: In real life and history, many warriors and barbarians had large sex drives and regularly raped while pillaging and conquering, but are the Saiyans like that? I say no, due to Toriyama's own comments on love in Saiyan couples being rare and only happening for children and the Saiyans not being that populous of a species. Now the second part can be explained by them fighting and dying so much, but if anything more kids = more warriors so their small population would be a bad thing not a benefit. It seems like it's just Saiyan biology to value fighting way more than sex. The way I see it, when Vegeta was going around exterminating species, he could've gotten their women if he wanted to, but he knew he would've had more fun killing them. I actually believe that Bulma is the first girl he ever got with due to his genocidal behavior and his obsession with one day beating Frieza and battling.

As an earthling, though, I see Vegeta as enjoying sex as much as any other guy which is a result of:
1. Him adopting more human emotions
2. Bulma having a high sex drive herself.

Also, unlike Goku, Vegeta actually loves her even though he'd still have a problem saying those words. He'll show it through his actions and say other words to dance around it, but he does.

[Chuquita]

I was originally floored by that panel in Super manga chapter 6 where Gokû says he "daisuki(s)" Chi-Chi, but only recently I remembered about that Toriyama interview where he said Gokû sees his family as companions rather than family and I was all "Oh..."daisuki" like the way you like a friend, not the way you love a significant other." "Aishiteru" is the one that would've meant he loves her. (I think; feel free to correct if I got my definitions wrong. ^^; ) It was like, all the wind right out of the sails. He likes her, but he doesn't love her, not in the romantic or sexual sense. I think if Gokû were to fall in love though, he'd probably go through his own unique way of showing it.


I agree that Vegeta's definitely got a sex drive. It'd have to be compatible with Bulma's at least somewhat for them to still be together with how high hers is.

[precita]

Vegeta spent 2 years of his life in the time chamber in the Cell saga without any female in there with him. Its obvious Vegeta loves fighting more than sex.

[irreality]

Vegeta spent 2 years of his life in the time chamber in the Cell saga without any female in there with him. Its obvious Vegeta loves fighting more than sex.

Not to mention 10 months with Whis…

Will need to come back to this thread, I have thoughts but need to go to bed.

[Chuquita]

Vegeta spent 2 years of his life in the time chamber in the Cell saga without any female in there with him. Its obvious Vegeta loves fighting more than sex.

Not to mention 10 months with Whis…

Will need to come back to this thread, I have thoughts but need to go to bed.

10 months! That's even more than I thought (for some reason I thought it was 6). That's an entire school year!

He really legit is Gokû's senpai then. X3

[JulieYBM]

Vegeta spent 2 years of his life in the time chamber in the Cell saga without any female in there with him. Its obvious Vegeta loves fighting more than sex.

Why is Vegeta [supposedly] loving fighting more than sex funny?

[precita]

Because Saiyans love fighting more than having a sex drive.

[Blade]

I think there is a narrative case to argue that Saiyan sexuality is repressed behind battle instincts, which I think Toriyama sort of alluded to in his Dragonball Minus interview where he talks about Bardock and Gine's relationship.

From an authorial gaze out of the narrative in-Universe, Toriyama himself has stated that he has always been a little unsure about depicting love stories and romance. I think, therefore, the fact that the progression of practically every sexual relationship in Dragonball, from Yamcha and Bulma to Kuririn and #18, is implied between the panels rather than depicted in any way, shape or form, is more a matter of authorial taste and the deemed relevancy of a subject matter which, it is fair to say, may have been beyond the remit of a manga produced for a Shonen demographic.

[irreality]

Vegeta spent 2 years of his life in the time chamber in the Cell saga without any female in there with him. Its obvious Vegeta loves fighting more than sex.

Not to mention 10 months with Whis…

Will need to come back to this thread, I have thoughts but need to go to bed.

10 months! That's even more than I thought (for some reason I thought it was 6). That's an entire school year!

He really legit is Gokû's senpai then. X3

Well, 6 months until Goku arrives, 4 months while Freeza trains. I just meant 10 months away from his wife. He is only 6 months ahead of Goku.

[JulieYBM]

Because Saiyans love fighting more than having a sex drive.

Vegeta [supposedly] loving fighting more than sex is funny because Saiyans love fighting more than having a sex drive? That doesn't answer the question at all.

[Chuquita]

Well, 6 months until Goku arrives, 4 months while Freeza trains. I just meant 10 months away from his wife. He is only 6 months ahead of Goku.

Ah, ok. I thought I'd gotten my math wrong somewhere. ^^;

[swimtrunks]

It'd be funny to see that side of Goku & Vegeta. We find out Goku enjoys sex as much as he enjoys eating... food.

He did think girls had boy private parts so I imagine how funny it would be to watch a young naive Goku being told about sex.

There was a panel where Roshi tried to gauge Goku's attraction to the female species.

As for Vegeta, was he old enough to have sexual relations with a female Saiyan before they went extinct? I assume Nappa had to teach him about the birds & the bees. And if all Saiyan women weren't around for him to experiment with, I guess he got IT on with other alien species, humanoid or otherwise, like his brother.

[buutenks]

Hmm.Pretty sure saiyans enjoy fighting more than sex.

For them sex is proly not a form of pleasure just something u do once or twice to make a kid and so forth and then of to battle or training in goku and vegeta's case.

[Lord Beerus]

Well, Nappa did mention the idea of breeding back in the Saiyan arc, but it was only for the purpose of reproduction so that female Saiyans could, and Vegeta did shoot down the idea, but it was for logistical reason. So it's not say that sex isn't on the mind of pure blooded Saiyans, but it's not a priority or something done for carnal reasons.

[TheUltimateVegito]

Vegeta did say so himself during the Saiyan arc that he's not interested in conceiving powerful hybrids due to the consequences it can bring and he pretty much implied he's a virgin to Bulma after the Frieza arc. It's one of the reasons why I love the idea behind the Saiyans being a warrior race and how it relates to Goku's character. Saiyans don't care for sex like humans would (Since they only see it as a way to produce, and nothing desirable) and thus are more capable of acting rationally when it comes to it. Hence why Vegeta never had his way with woman even when he could and didn't allow any form of desire to cloud his thinking when it came to producing hybrids.

If you want to go even deeper into psychological factors, lets say Vegeta was human. Vegeta probably would've claimed he wanted another child if he shared human desires, because he'd see it as an opportunity to have sex and wouldn't factor in the possibility of the child rebelling as highly as he would being a Saiyan, because humans are less rational when it comes to sex since it's in our nature. Now compare that to Goku, who doesn't think as rationally as a human would when it comes to fighting a global threat. Fighting for Saiyans is like sex for humans, especially for Goku since he has the purest desire of them all. Goku knows his desires can bring dire consequences much like humans know sex can bring consequences, but their desires gets the best of them, even when they know they'll regret it later on. It's such fantastic writing.

Anyways, about their sexuality. Honestly, if it were up to Goku I think he'd be slightly gay. He said so himself that he find woman's "parts" more weird than anything, and he couldn't understand men's fascination with them. But since he was obligated to marry ChiChi he went on to do so. There might be a hidden message in there about how we perceive sexuality as a species back then, but I really can't be bothered to go too deep into that. lol.

[buutenks]

Actually i think goku would fit perfectly into asexual.

[Cipher]

They're gay for fighting.

And each other.

Real talk, though, yes, the fighting:Saiyans::sex:humans posts above seem to be spot on.

[Captain Strawberry]

Goku probably loves Chi-chi but he hardly cares for that feeling I guess.

[Son_Gohan]

I remember reading the manga for the first time, chuckling at Goku's naivety when he tells Chichi before returning to the afterlife, how not to be depressed since she still has Goten with her. Where the commentary went something like "Yeah, but it's not like she can have sex with Goten you big oaf!" It doesn't seem Goku had any sexual desire in mind with Chichi for his one day back on Earth, which would've been very natural for a human in his situation. Vegeta may not have those impulses either but appears to be more in touch with the subject at least. Then again, Goku did hit his head as a child, which may have stunted his development in that regard. It makes me question about how Goten came to being; I used to take it as an act of love initiated by Goku in case he didn't survive the Cell Games, but now I have my doubts.

[DBZAOTA482]

Goku made Gohan stay at Heavenly Realms for a few days till he picked him up for the Cell Games so.... Goten's conception.