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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by dbzfan7 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:37 pm

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LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:It's not a fan fiction, that's for unofficial media. It's canon to the anime,so what if it isn't manga canon.

The plot wasn't bad,the execution just left a lot to be desired, I mean it could have been much better Wasted potential, I love the arc but it could have been better. 17 being Gero's favorite to become the ultimate android isn't a bad thing,not at all.
I guess you can't take a joke huh? My "official fanfiction" comment is purely on the idea being so dumb that a couple of 17 fangirls probably came up with it. Of course it's official material, but I merely joke it's official fanfiction as it sounds like it. I use the same description to describe some of the new Freeza stuff too. I also would call Episode of Bardock to be official fan fiction as that's what it felt like to me.

It was a lamer fusion reborn. 17 being the ultimate android is absolutely stupid as that is what Cell was. Hence Cell was built to absorb 17 in the first place. It's totally silly for 17 to suddenly be the real ultimate android when his main purpose as far as Gero was concerned beyond killing Goku, was to be fed to Cell.

Cell might have been a backup if he could make 17>his plans for perfect cell.

Also because a lot of kids think shit like funimation made GT because the join the bandwagon of hate without even watching,its hard to tell if you were serious in thinking GT is a fan fiction,it seamed so stupid,didnt know it was just a joke. That's common with txt though haha.
I would not call Cell backup when he's meant to be the pinnacle of Gero's creations, and programmed to devour the others. Cell was always going to be born, so he was always going to go after 17. 17 suddenly being called the ultimate android is no different to me than Freeza suddenly being labelled a prodigy from out of nowhere.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:39 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Kamiccolo9 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:43 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
Kenshin is pretty good, discounting the later filler. I didn't find much fault with Inuyasha, either.

Not to mention, both of those have far better characterization than Dragon Ball, as well.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Doctor. » Thu Dec 03, 2015 9:47 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
Kenshin is pretty good, discounting the later filler. I didn't find much fault with Inuyasha, either.

Not to mention, both of those have far better characterization than Dragon Ball, as well.
I didn't mention Kenshin because the anime was a fillerfest and didn't adapt the last arc (and I haven't watched Tsuiokuhen, it gets praise from non-Kenshin fans, but hate from Kenshin fans, so I don't know how I'm gonna react), but the manga stands as the best Shounen of all time in my opinion.

Anyway, the purpose of that little comment of mine, before we get a bit more off-topic, was to say that every series has bad writing, no series is perfect.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Wezenheim » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:05 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
I haven't watched Monster, but I've heard good things. I agree that as far as recent mainstream Shounen goes, FMA Brotherhood was written extremely well. It hasn't gotten a long anime adaptation yet (it does have a short series and a few movies that are pretty good), but I think the manga series Berserk was excellent early on. Like HunterxHunter, new chapters are few and far between these days though.

You may have a point about getting off topic though, haha. Yeah, there are examples of bad writing in most stories, and long stories tend to suffer the most.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by fadeddreams5 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:14 pm

Doctor. wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
The dub of Monster was really bad, right? Cause I think I watched an episode of that in Syfy many years ago. lol. I need to check out the original.

Brotherhood is probably my favorite Shonen anime.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:19 pm

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fadeddreams5 wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
I haven't watched Monster, but I've heard good things. I agree that as far as recent mainstream Shounen goes, FMA Brotherhood was written extremely well. It hasn't gotten a long anime adaptation yet (it does have a short series and a few movies that are pretty good), but I think the manga series Berserk was excellent early on. Like HunterxHunter, new chapters are few and far between these days though.
Berserk isn't shonen. It demographic is seinen.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Wezenheim » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:33 pm

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Doctor. wrote:What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Monster is as close to perfection when it comes to anime as you're gonna get. Shounen-wise, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood.
I haven't watched Monster, but I've heard good things. I agree that as far as recent mainstream Shounen goes, FMA Brotherhood was written extremely well. It hasn't gotten a long anime adaptation yet (it does have a short series and a few movies that are pretty good), but I think the manga series Berserk was excellent early on. Like HunterxHunter, new chapters are few and far between these days though.
Berserk isn't shonen. It demographic is seinen.[/quote]
I know, but the original question by fadeddreams5 referred to anime in general. I didn't make my post clear enough though, it does make it seem like I was still referring to shonen. When mentioning Berserk, I meant to lump it in with anime/manga as a whole. Again, that was on me, but I did not intend to imply that Berserk is shonen, because it most definitely is not.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by ChiChiFan » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:38 pm

Lunatic Fringe wrote:Probably Goku and Chi-Chi as "horrible" parents. They both have their faults but they haven't necessarily raised bad children.
I agree with this. People give those two too much flack as parents. Like you said, they aren't perfect and have flaws but look how Gohan turned out. That right there should tell you they did a good job raising their son.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 10:54 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
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EXBadguy wrote:- The series having "bad writing" as a whole. Even though I wish the series did have better writing, the constant comparison of this to Hunter X Hunter or Attack on Titan is annoying. It don't have to have the "best writing" to be enjoyable or good. If anything, if you wanna bash a saga for bad writing, go after the Buu saga.
The thing is that all of those 3 series HAVE bad writing, Attack on Titan is probably the worst of the three.
What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell, Azumanga Daioh, Tiger & Bunny and Samurai Champloo come to mind.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Wezenheim » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:03 pm

Hellspawn28 wrote:
fadeddreams5 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
The thing is that all of those 3 series HAVE bad writing, Attack on Titan is probably the worst of the three.
What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P
Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Ghost in the Shell, Azumanga Daioh, Tiger & Bunny and Samurai Champloo come to mind.
I concur, but I've mentioned Bebop and Champloo here before and didn't want to be a broken record haha. Cowboy Bebop, other than being my favorite in general, probably has my favorite soundtrack as well. Shinichirō Watanabe is awesome.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:24 pm

fadeddreams5 wrote:
Doctor. wrote:
EXBadguy wrote:- The series having "bad writing" as a whole. Even though I wish the series did have better writing, the constant comparison of this to Hunter X Hunter or Attack on Titan is annoying. It don't have to have the "best writing" to be enjoyable or good. If anything, if you wanna bash a saga for bad writing, go after the Buu saga.
The thing is that all of those 3 series HAVE bad writing, Attack on Titan is probably the worst of the three.
What anime does have good writing, in your opinion? Can't say I've watched that many non-mainstream stuff to know. =P

For me-early pokemon before the new writer took over. very creative.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:28 pm

LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:For me-early pokemon before the new writer took over. very creative.
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Transformers is not anime.

BTW Sword Art Online and "good writing" should not be together in the sentence. :lol:
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:32 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:
LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta wrote:For me-early pokemon before the new writer took over. very creative.
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high school dxd is probably the most secretly brilliant show of the modern era.
Transformers is not anime.

BTW Sword Art Online and "good writing" should not be together in the sentence. :lol:

Isnt transformers made in japan though?

And sword art has great writing IMo....just....just pretend season 2 and so on don't exist.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:36 pm

DBZAOTA482 wrote:Transformers is not anime.

BTW Sword Art Online and "good writing" should not be together in the sentence. :lol:
It's always been my understanding (though I'm not much of a Transformers fan, most of my knowledge is from the movies and stuff my girlfriend tells me, though I have seen Armada) that G1 is kind of debateable on what you'd want to consider it. There have certainly been Transformers series' that were anime though, such as Armada.

And 'good writing' is something that at least on some level is a matter of opinion - what one person considers good writing is not always going to be what another person considers it. To bring this back to Dragon Ball, I guess I'd say it has...'adequate' to 'pretty good' writing. It's enjoyable - heck, I'm here aren't I? - which is what matters the most at the end of the day to me, but I'm under no delusions that it's the most seamlessly written story I've ever enjoyed either.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:40 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Transformers is not anime.

BTW Sword Art Online and "good writing" should not be together in the sentence. :lol:
It's always been my understanding (though I'm not much of a Transformers fan, most of my knowledge is from the movies and stuff my girlfriend tells me, though I have seen Armada) that G1 is kind of debateable on what you'd want to consider it. There have certainly been Transformers series' that were anime though, such as Armada.

And 'good writing' is something that at least on some level is a matter of opinion - what one person considers good writing is not always going to be what another person considers it. To bring this back to Dragon Ball, I guess I'd say it has...'adequate' to 'pretty good' writing. It's enjoyable - heck, I'm here aren't I? - which is what matters the most at the end of the day to me, but I'm under no delusions that it's the most seamlessly written story I've ever enjoyed either.


Well said,but I feel dragonball is a mix of good writing and bad. One could say poorly written but executed so damn well from ball-gt and the films and ovas before bog and yo son goku.
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Gyt Kaliba wrote:
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Transformers is not anime.

BTW Sword Art Online and "good writing" should not be together in the sentence. :lol:
It's always been my understanding (though I'm not much of a Transformers fan, most of my knowledge is from the movies and stuff my girlfriend tells me, though I have seen Armada) that G1 is kind of debateable on what you'd want to consider it. There have certainly been Transformers series' that were anime though, such as Armada.

And 'good writing' is something that at least on some level is a matter of opinion - what one person considers good writing is not always going to be what another person considers it. To bring this back to Dragon Ball, I guess I'd say it has...'adequate' to 'pretty good' writing. It's enjoyable - heck, I'm here aren't I? - which is what matters the most at the end of the day to me, but I'm under no delusions that it's the most seamlessly written story I've ever enjoyed either.
No shit it's an opinion...
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
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I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Post by Gyt Kaliba » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:43 pm

No need to be so hostile. I just felt it merited mentioning since just because you wouldn't find SAO to have good writing, doesn't mean someone else couldn't. I don't have a horse in the race either way, so to speak, as I haven't seen that series yet.
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Re: Biggest exageration by fans?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:45 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:No need to be so hostile. I just felt it merited mentioning since just because you wouldn't find SAO to have good writing, doesn't mean someone else couldn't. I don't have a horse in the race either way, so to speak, as I haven't seen that series yet.

Try it,it's good. But I say stop after season 1. Season 2 made some bad choices IMO. Anyway I think super buu is over exaggerated in terms of power.
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Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Dec 03, 2015 11:47 pm

Gyt Kaliba wrote:No need to be so hostile. I just felt it merited mentioning since just because you wouldn't find SAO to have good writing, doesn't mean someone else couldn't. I don't have a horse in the race either way, so to speak, as I haven't seen that series yet.
I wasn't being hostile. I didn't even question his taste to begin with.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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