Discussion regarding the entirety of the franchise in a general (meta) sense, including such aspects as: production, trends, merchandise, fan culture, and more.
ABED wrote:It needs to be said that while Goku is chronologically 50, he didn't age when he was dead. I'm fairly certain of that. He was dead for 8 years.
Yes, but he made up one of the years with all his time in the RoSaT up through Cell. Supers manga also had him and Vegeta spend 3 years in a "new" RoSaT. If that, or at least something similar (more time in Whis' staff?), happens in the anime, then Goku is almost back to his normal age.
One out of 8. You can't spend more than 2 years total in the RST. Goku and Gohan didn't even spend a full year if I recall.
DBZAOTA482 wrote:
ABED wrote:It needs to be said that while Goku is chronologically 47, he didn't age when he was dead. I'm fairly certain of that. He was dead for 8 years.
Fix'd.
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ABED wrote:One out of 8. You can't spend more than 2 years total in the RST. Goku and Gohan didn't even spend a full year if I recall.
He spent a month as a child and eleven during the Cell Arc. That's a year.
For the other (potential) three years, The manga adaptation of Super calls it a "new" RoSaT, which means the rules could be changed, or as I suggested, they could use an alternate location in the anime. The inside of Whis' staff was already introduced as a training spot in the anime and was mentioned to have an alternate flow of time similar by comparing it directly to the RoSaT. (Could be foreshadowing.)
Direct translations of the Korean DB Online timeline and guidebook.
My personal "canon" and BP list. (Coming Soon)
DBZAOTA482 wrote:Most of the complaints I see towards Cell Saga here were because it was "too serious".
And most complaints i see towards Boo or Super was because how the series is not ''serious'' anymore or have it have too much comedy and childish stuff.
He spent a month as a child and eleven during the Cell Arc. That's a year.
Yes, only year. 8-1 = 7 (This isn't me being condescending, I'm just showing my work). He'd still appear younger than his chronological age because he was dead for a long time.
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Would the Japanese really complain if Goku and Vegeta were pushed aside for other characters? It seems western fans actually WANT to see the other characters shine and don't want Goku/Vegeta constantly hogging the spotlight.
I mean I don't get it, Goku does nothing for about 60% of DBZ's episodes anyway. He's out of commission for most of the Saiyan arc, the entire first half of the Namek arc, most of the Cell arc, and it only switches focus to him again toward the end of the Buu arc. Its like we already haven't seen this happen.
I still find it funny when Son Goku and His Friends Return came out in 2008, you had people here that was like "Hey does Goten and Trunks get the spot light! Vegeta and Goku should be fighting!". Now people do not want Goku and Vegeta because they are over used .
Hellspawn28 wrote:I still find it funny when Son Goku and His Friends Return came out in 2008, you had people here that was like "Hey does Goten and Trunks get the spot light! Vegeta and Goku should be fighting!". Now people do not want Goku and Vegeta because they are over used .
20x times as much new material has came out since 2008 Special and all was dominated by Goku/Vegeta. Hardly surprising people complain
Hellspawn28 wrote:I still find it funny when Son Goku and His Friends Return came out in 2008, you had people here that was like "Hey does Goten and Trunks get the spot light! Vegeta and Goku should be fighting!". Now people do not want Goku and Vegeta because they are over used .
20x times as much new material has came out since 2008 Special and all was dominated by Goku/Vegeta. Hardly surprising people complain
I'd say the new material feels more ensamble character based than it just being the Goku and Vegeta show. I mean, yeah, Goku and Vegeta take a good chunk of the spotlight, which would in all cases be natural considering they are pretty much the main characters of the franchise at this point, but that hasn't prevented guys like Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Jaco or even Roshi from getting any significant screen time. Hell, with the way the Champa arc is setting up, there are no guarantees that Goku and Vegeta will be the centre of attention.
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Akira Toriyama wrote:My policy is to try and forget things once they’re over. Since if I don’t discard the old and focus on what’s new, I’ll overload my brain capacity. I still haven’t lived down going, “Who the heck is Tao Pai-pai?” that one time I was talking with Ei’ichiro Oda-kun. But the fact that there are still people reading the series after all this time… All I can say is; “thank you.” Really, that’s all.
Akira Toriyama wrote:Drawing Dragon Ball again reminded me of two things--how much I love it, and how much I never want to do it again.
Kunzait_83 wrote:And if you're upset because all this new material completely invalidates the tabletop RPG rulebook-sized statistical system and flowchart for the characters' "canonical Power Levels" that you'd been working on painstakingly for the last bunch of years now... well I don't think there's a kind, non-blunt way of saying this, but that's 100% entirely your own misguided fault for buying so deeply into all this nonsensical garbage in the first place. And that you also have IMMENSELY skewed and comically backwards priorities in what you think is most important and needed to make a good Dragon Ball story.
Zephyr wrote:Goodness, they wrote idiotic drivel in a children's cartoon meant to advertise toys!? Again!? For the ninetieth episode in a row!? Somebody stop the presses! We have to voice our concern over these Super important issues!
Kamiccolo9 wrote:Fair enough, I concede. Sean Schemmel probably has some kind of hidden talent. Maybe he is an expert at Minesweeper. You're right; calling him "talentless" wasn't fair.
Michsi wrote: Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:29 amIn Super Piccolo got yelled off the stage by Vegeta in the U6 Tournament arc and lost to Jiminy Cricket in the ToP , he deserved 15 new transformations with his theme song played by Metallica in the background.
Lord Beerus wrote:I'd say the new material feels more ensamble character based than it just being the Goku and Vegeta show. I mean, yeah, Goku and Vegeta take a good chunk of the spotlight, which would in all cases be natural considering they are pretty much the main characters of the franchise at this point, but that hasn't prevented guys like Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Jaco or even Roshi from getting any significant screen time. Hell, with the way the Champa arc is setting up, there are no guarantees that Goku and Vegeta will be the centre of attention.
Going to have to agree with Beerus here, especially with the bolded characters. The material from 2008 onward has definitely gone out on a limb to make characters strong who were weak even in the Buu saga.
Dragon Ball isn't a legacy series. It has never been a legacy series and ultimately gave up ever even entertaining the thought twenty-two years ago. It will never be a legacy series. Dragon Ball will always be about Son Gokuu because there is no person better suited for the role under the hand of Toriyama Akira.
I did not understand the mentioning of Dragon Ball Heroes and Dragon Ball Xenoverse. Both are not intended to be a follow-up to post-Buu. It would make more sense if you had mentioned Dragon Ball Online, which I would totally disagree with you. Dragon Ball Online is the perfect continuation that the Dragon Ball franchise could ever get. It follows the manga plot and it even says what the main characters ended up doing in their lives after some years. Dragon Ball Online is a great addition in every way.
Also, Dragon Ball Z: Yo!! Son Goku and His Friends Returned! and Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Gods (extended version) are also good stuff to add.
Dragonball Heroes, Xenoverse, Online, etc. may not all be main continuations of the franchise (they're videogame spinoffs obviously), but there's been a lot of new story material and characters that they can't just be brushed under the rug.
Stuff like time patrolling Future Trunks, Dabura's Sister, the new Super Saiyan forms for everyone, etc...its still new stuff.
Black_Anime_Fan wrote:I find it hilarious how as soon as one mentions the Artificial Humans/Cell arc in a more positive light, people have to come on board and ruin it. So what if we think it's good? To me the story made a lot more sense than whatever came after it.
Perhaps fans of the Buu arc are tired of people acting like it's the only arc that had major flaws and are trying to shatter that illusion by pointing out the Cell arc's flaws. Also, maybe those people just didn't like the Cell arc to begin with.
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