Why is it so hard to make the series good post-Buu?

[precita]

So this is like the umpteenth attempt to continue the series after the manga/anime ended with the Buu saga.

- GT was poorly received to the point where it originally bombed the franchise for over a decade.

- DB Heroes videogames is basically published fanfiction by giving every character power ups like SSJ4 Gohan and Broly, SSJ3 Vegeta and Trunks, etc. Its like a 13 year old got his wish.

- DB Minus is an awful retcon of the original story.

- Xenoverse has weird Time patrolling Trunks and Gohan.

- Super, at least thus far, is a mixed bag and the animation is subpar. Although to be fair we can't accurately judge it till it moves on to all new material.


The only new stuff I've really enjoyed after Buu was the 2008 special, the Beerus movie (especially the extended addition), and the GT special if that counts.

Is it simply because the Dragonball franchise ran its course with the Buu arc, and that's why all the attempts to continue the series feel out of place?

[Kamiccolo9]

Do we really need another one of these?

[DBZAOTA482]

The series started to become wack even as far as the Majin Boo Saga.

[TKB21]

The series started to become wack even as far as the Majin Boo Saga.

Yeah for me personally I think a better title would've been, "Why is it so hard to make the series good post-Cell?".

[precita]

The series started to become wack even as far as the Majin Boo Saga.

The Buu saga is fun, still has great character moments (particularly for Vegeta), an interesting time skip with teenage Gohan, Goten and Trunks antics, Videl and Mr. Satan, all the Buu forms are fun and memorable, Fusions and SSJ3 were interesting concepts, and its still funny and has good world building with the Kai's and learning how the Otherworld works.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

More like post-Cell. The Boo arc was just as terrible if not almost as bad as anything to come after it.

[fadeddreams5]

To be completely honest, if the Buu saga was released in 2010+ and GT was never made, I would like the former even less than I do now.

Seriously, imagine anticipating a new saga after the Cell Games for over a decade--after that incredible beam struggle, Goku's death, and Gohan's transformation--only to get a saga with kid SSJs, a Gohan that doesn't train, and a quirky fat blob of a villain. I'd probably hate it, in fact. Yes, I acknowledge my bias.

[Black_Anime_Fan]

To be completely honest, if the Buu saga was released in 2010+ and GT was never made, I would like the former even less than I do now.

Seriously, imagine anticipating a new saga after the Cell Games for over a decade--after that incredible beam struggle, Goku's death, and Gohan's transformation--only to get a saga with kid SSJs, a Gohan that doesn't train, and a quirky fat blob of a villain. I'd probably hate it, in fact.

*Shivers*, I'd hate to think about it.

[precita]

To be completely honest, if the Buu saga was released in 2010+ and GT was never made, I would like the former even less than I do now.

Seriously, imagine anticipating a new saga after the Cell Games for over a decade--after that incredible beam struggle, Goku's death, and Gohan's transformation--only to get a saga with kid SSJs, a Gohan that doesn't train, and a quirky fat blob of a villain. I'd probably hate it, in fact. Yes, I acknowledge my bias.

Teenage Gohan would be just as enjoyable now as he was a decade+ ago, and Fat Buu was always a joke (the big bad monster Supreme Kai is fearing turns out to be a fat child creature?), which is why Super Buu was so cool when he first appeared. Especially the way he cocks his head and looks so evil looking during his scene on Kami's lookout.

[MajinMan]

Battle of Gods and Resurrection F have been pretty damn good if you ask me. Super has been good for the most part, but there are a few bad episodes here and there. I don't understand your Xenoverse post.

[Soppa Saia People]

More like post-Cell. The Boo arc was just as terrible if not almost as bad as anything to come after it.

The series started to become wack even as far as the Majin Boo Saga.

Yeah for me personally I think a better title would've been, "Why is it so hard to make the series good post-Cell?".

Really guys ? I understand people like different things and that, but are we really acting like the Cell arc was good ? I mean I understand if you like it, but the Cell arc is shit from a story telling standpoint.

[Vijay]

Post-Cell Arc?

Why not make it Post-Saiyan Arc?

Or Post-Red Ribbon Arc?

I find it hilarious to see how much people tend to glorify Cell Arc & making it almost standard-bearer which anything & everything has failed to surpass

Its a successful story-arc. One HUGE tale packed with many asspulls imo

From Gohan's last-minute entry as final protagonist to another asspull with Goku's completly unnecessary sacrifice (just to elevate Gohan's stature) to lazy-ass KHH clash to gosh....

Buu Arc had fantastic start. It started going downhill post-Majin Vegeta's sacrifice & was tedious for a long time with uninteresting buildups (Fusion, Z-sword training ~Old Kai potential unlock, Fat Buu's friendship with Satan). But hits its peak da moment Goku & Veggie enter to save the universe & ended with a bang!

More than makes-up for its flaws (which were understandable as Toriyama was sick with work-load & decided to troll. Or else Shueisha/TOEI MFkers would've forced Toriyama to extend his work even longer)

Post-Buu Arc materials have been crap tbh

GT, a bunch of half-baked OVA's/Specials, Kai, Kai 2.0, 2 crappy film & a mediocre series that makes GT look like classic by comparison

I think I've said this b4

Some masterpieces are best left alone.

That or give MadHouse/BONES/SunRise DB rights. At least they'll respect BOTH parties: fans & casual viewers by providing a rewarding visual experience

[HourglassIndigo]

I don't know why, but I find the Buu Saga charming. I love sayiaman and his mini arc. I love Goten and Trunks, though I get why people don't like them being ssjs. While it's not as good as Freeza or the Androids, it's still pretty good. That's just my thoughts though.

[omaro34]

To me, The Buu saga itself was my most disliked Arc. Every single moment in the Buu saga from that point forward was going to be about the Saiyans. This Arc had the incredible ability to totally underutilize such a large and diverse cast, it was ridiculous. An overweight, immature, stupid child in the form of a monster wasn't a good taste for a villain for me.

Another thing about that Arc that kind of annoyed me was how much of a joke the Super Saiyan legend became. Children who never trained as long as their adult parents have somehow achieved this transformation considered legendary among the Saiyan race. Hard work should be earned, not given.

I might be biased because my favorite character was Piccolo, but him not fighting the Supreme Kai annoyed me too. Piccolo, the only non-Saiyan Z fighter who kept up with the Saiyans in strength for so long was now going to be left in the dust and take on a mentor role. This was new territory for me.

Don't get me wrong, the Buu Arc had some key special moments in the entire series, but it had its downfalls as well. Vegeta's character development really took off this Arc, which was a plus.

In terms of things after Buu, the battle of Gods was actually good.

[DBZAOTA482]

^That is true...

The series started to become wack even as far as the Majin Boo Saga.

The Buu saga is fun, still has great character moments (particularly for Vegeta), an interesting time skip with teenage Gohan, Goten and Trunks antics, Videl and Mr. Satan, all the Buu forms are fun and memorable, Fusions and SSJ3 were interesting concepts, and its still funny and has good world building with the Kai's and learning how the Otherworld works.

It was fun... but it also drags, caused an endless number of debates that still persist even to this day (I.E. Cell vs. Dabura), inconsistencies (everyone thinking Gohan was dead despite wishing all but the evil people back less than a chapter earlier), SSJ being made into child's play, and Majin Boo himself wasn't nearly as great a villain (OP'd, no connection to Goku or the dragon balls, backstory full of holes, etc.).

Not to mention it introduced Kaioshin as this cool and mysterious muthafucka' only to turn him into a nonsensical and self-contradicting idiot who suddenly forgets about all his powers once the Majin Boo shit comes into play.

[sintzu]

DB&Z always had characters to develop which drove the plot foreword but now they don't cause by the end of the Buu arc everyone's character arc had finished so they're essentially continuing a story that's already finished which isn't easy but overall I think the 1st 2 arcs were good and the current universe 6 arc is shaping up to be just as good if not better.

However I think the story could've benefited from having Freeza survive RF and go through an arc to become a character like Beerus where he isn't good but him,Goku & Vegeta can put up with each other if they need to work together.

With that said, even if you have good stories you still need something that looks good to go with it and Super looks atrocious to say the least and that's not counting it's bad pacing which is why I think it'll be best to get movie counterparts for the upcoming arcs.

[Vijay]

@DBZAOTA

As I came across posts you mentioned abt Majin Buu (OP'd, no connection to Goku & Vegeta, to the DB's etc) are ya sayin Beerus was any different?

[Black_Anime_Fan]

I find it hilarious how as soon as one mentions the Artificial Humans/Cell arc in a more positive light, people have to come on board and ruin it. So what if we think it's good? To me the story made a lot more sense than whatever came after it. But if only penguintruth were still here, he'd have a field day with this one

Post-Cell Arc? I find it hilarious to see how much people tend to glorify Cell Arc & making it almost standard-bearer which anything & everything has failed to surpass

Sounds a lot like the Boo (trash) arc to me.

[DBZAOTA482]

@DBZAOTA

As I came across posts you mentioned abt Majin Buu (OP'd, no connection to Goku & Vegeta, to the DB's etc) are ya sayin Beerus was any different?

He has connection with Vegeta (though it's a forced one)... who's definitely relevant to Goku and he at least doesn't have cheap-ass regeneration or absorption.

[Vijay]

@DBZAOTA

As I came across posts you mentioned abt Majin Buu (OP'd, no connection to Goku & Vegeta, to the DB's etc) are ya sayin Beerus was any different?

He has connection with Vegeta (though it's a forced one)... who's definitely relevant to Goku and he at least doesn't have cheap-ass regeneration or absorption.

So...if regeneration and/or absorption is a trait of villain like Buu, its automatically cheap-ass?

Guess Piccolo Jr (regen) & Cell (absorption) also fall in same category

At least those 2 have proper link to Z-fighters as opposed to some random Goddo. Kay, lets stop here