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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Lord Beerus » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:08 pm

Kibito. His purpose in the story was to fuse with Kaioshin, get killed by Dabra and give Gohan a new gi. He has zero personality. All of the DBZ movie villains (except Beerus) and the GT villains were pretty damn dull, too.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Hellspawn28 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 5:11 pm

Hatchiyack was very dull too. The guy says only one word and beats up the Z fighters. He is your every day end of the level boss villain.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:08 pm

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DBZAOTA482 wrote:He did write her out. She was chasing after Tenshinhan.
I'd say that's arguable at best. I mean, in the same conversation, Blooma says she didn't tell Yamucha about the reunion, which explains why he isn't there. And he certainly didn't get written out. I think it's far more likely that the line simply explains why she's not there at that moment. Even though it happens to be the last thing said about her, so you could rationalize it as being written out, that explanation doesn't ultimately hold up anyway. After all, Tenshinhan continues to appear in the series and never references her having chased after him.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by omaro34 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:14 pm

Puar and Pan from GT bore me.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by ABED » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:15 pm

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I think you're overthinking this. Just because there's no build doesn't mean he comes out of nowhere. He comes from the broken DB's. He's evil incarnate. As an endgame villain, i don't think he needs to be anything other than that - pure evil.
But he was made to be our final villain in the series. He should been more menacing and more depth to his character. He could have been the best villain since Freeza had he was written better.
He could've been more menacing sure, but what do you mean by depth? Freeza's not particularly deep. He's interesting, but he's just a charismatic power lusting psycho. That's not particularly deep. The connection between the overuse of the DB's and our heroes is enough depth for me. Being pure evil is also a good way to go.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Kakacarrottop » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:46 pm

1. Android 16
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Cipher » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:13 am

Unfortunately, Super's Videl is painfully boring, which is just ... shocking. Videl is tons of fun in Z. Even GT gives her some personality (she's more subdued there as well, but it's fifteen years later so it's a bit more justified, and she still goes out super-heroing at points).

I have to second post-22nd Tenkaichi Budokai Chaozu as well. He's less a character and more an accessory to Tenshinhan.

I'll also second Yi-Xing Long. He's ... fine, for what the arc is doing, but never before has a main-series Dragon Ball villain felt so ... functional. He's there to be an obstacle. I literally can't watch that fight -- although I do enjoy it -- without wishing he had at least some personality quirk as previous villains do. There's a great little bit where he's panicked over the idea of Goku and Vegeta fusing again, and it's like, "Hey! Some emotion!" But it ends rather quickly.

Kaioshin is a little milquetoast, but I enjoy him from time to time as a straight man to Old Kaioshin. I genuinely enjoy his role through the Boo arc as well, where he goes from being an effective mysterious figure (his introduction is incredible, especially in the anime), to being horrified at the Saiyans' glib reaction/regretting his choice in bringing them along, to a sort of humorous resignation as the story goes on.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:08 am

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I think you're overthinking this. Just because there's no build doesn't mean he comes out of nowhere. He comes from the broken DB's. He's evil incarnate. As an endgame villain, i don't think he needs to be anything other than that - pure evil.
But he was made to be our final villain in the series. He should been more menacing and more depth to his character. He could have been the best villain since Freeza had he was written better.
He could've been more menacing sure, but what do you mean by depth? Freeza's not particularly deep. He's interesting, but he's just a charismatic power lusting psycho. That's not particularly deep. The connection between the overuse of the DB's and our heroes is enough depth for me. Being pure evil is also a good way to go.
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Freeza shows multiple layers to his character. He's polite, egotistical, and sarcastic on the surface yet he's paranoid of the Saiyans overthrowing him showing he's a coward at heart. He's also a spoiled brat and a sadist (which compliments his surface traits).

His breakdown was also one of the best in all anime/manga.

Omega's just a bland af character (like most GT villains)... especially for a final villain.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Soppa Saia People » Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:50 am

All the androids are just boring besides #8.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by ABED » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:23 am

Freeza shows multiple layers to his character. He's polite, egotistical, and sarcastic on the surface yet he's paranoid of the Saiyans overthrowing him showing he's a coward at heart. He's also a spoiled brat and a sadist (which compliments his surface traits).

His breakdown was also one of the best in all anime/manga.

Omega's just a bland af character (like most GT villains)... especially for a final villain.
Fair enough, I just mean he's simple, effective, but simple. I never said he wasn't a great villain. As for the final Dragon, I'll grant you that he's a little bland but he doesn't have to be more than pure evil. He's evil incarnate, literally. It's like Piccolo Daimao. Piccolo was also evil incarnate and didn't have any other layers. The biggest difference is that he had pinache. I'm still not sure i would consider Freeza deep. He has no real contradictory qualities. Arrogance and cowardice/insecurity go hand in hand.

GT doesn't have that many villains, and most of them have some sort of personality.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:44 am

ABED wrote:
Freeza shows multiple layers to his character. He's polite, egotistical, and sarcastic on the surface yet he's paranoid of the Saiyans overthrowing him showing he's a coward at heart. He's also a spoiled brat and a sadist (which compliments his surface traits).

His breakdown was also one of the best in all anime/manga.

Omega's just a bland af character (like most GT villains)... especially for a final villain.
Fair enough, I just mean he's simple, effective, but simple. I never said he wasn't a great villain. As for the final Dragon, I'll grant you that he's a little bland but he doesn't have to be more than pure evil. He's evil incarnate, literally. It's like Piccolo Daimao. Piccolo was also evil incarnate and didn't have any other layers. The biggest difference is that he had pinache. I'm still not sure i would consider Freeza deep. He has no real contradictory qualities. Arrogance and cowardice/insecurity go hand in hand.

GT doesn't have that many villains, and most of them have some sort of personality.
Daimao is kinda boring but I'd say he still has more character than Omega. He was maniacal, a fearmonger, and cunning (a trait not shared among most DB villains).

He wasn't the best character but he had enough personality to be an effective villain and for the series' first attempt at a villain that was meant to be completely loathsome, he does the job quite well.... which is far more than I could say for Omega.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by trick007z » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:39 pm

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I think you're overthinking this. Just because there's no build doesn't mean he comes out of nowhere. He comes from the broken DB's. He's evil incarnate. As an endgame villain, i don't think he needs to be anything other than that - pure evil.
But he was made to be our final villain in the series. He should been more menacing and more depth to his character. He could have been the best villain since Freeza had he was written better.
But that's the point though, he's the culmination of all the Dragons we saw over that entire arc. Syn is just the most powerful Dragon who happens to be the vessel for "Omega Shenron". We knew there were seven Dragons, his existence doesn't come out of nowhere. And he's really a fusion of all the Dragons we saw that arc.

I think you are putting too much emphasis on him being the "final villain". The Dragons were the final villain. He was the ultimate culmination of that concept.

It's not like Cell or Freeza who have to stand on their own and need their own development to be a compelling threat. He's a portion of a whole, who just becomes the whole.

In fact I'd argue that the Shenron threat was as menacing as any threat, because at this point you don't have the Dragon Balls to fall back on as the big deus ex machine of the series, and now that there are questions around the Dragon Balls, you don't really want to take a chance with the Namekian Dragon Balls. So every death and bit of destruction is more impactful than ever.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by trick007z » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:45 pm

Anyways I agree with Chaozu/ He's good for the one arc he's introduced in and then becomes the most bland main character. He's basically Puar except is treated as though he's a legitimate fighter with the heroes.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by precita » Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:42 am

After his debut I don't think you could even describe Chiaotzu's personality. I mean all the other major characters have *something* that you can describe their personalities with, how they act, what they like and dislike, etc.

Chiaotzu has nothing...besides liking Tien. Hell I even think Puar has more personality than Chiaotzu.

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Chaozu and Puar.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by ekrolo2 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:20 pm

I'd say a good chunk of the early DB & GT characters are pretty dull. Goku's pretty boring to write since the only thing interesting to do with him is to have the cast & story address he's kind of a shit head after Namek.
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Neo-Makaiōshin » Sat Jan 16, 2016 4:49 pm

Every Dragon Ball movie villan (Beerus being the exception).
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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by DBZAOTA482 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:09 pm

trick007z wrote:
Hellspawn28 wrote:
I think you're overthinking this. Just because there's no build doesn't mean he comes out of nowhere. He comes from the broken DB's. He's evil incarnate. As an endgame villain, i don't think he needs to be anything other than that - pure evil.
But he was made to be our final villain in the series. He should been more menacing and more depth to his character. He could have been the best villain since Freeza had he was written better.
But that's the point though, he's the culmination of all the Dragons we saw over that entire arc. Syn is just the most powerful Dragon who happens to be the vessel for "Omega Shenron". We knew there were seven Dragons, his existence doesn't come out of nowhere. And he's really a fusion of all the Dragons we saw that arc.

I think you are putting too much emphasis on him being the "final villain". The Dragons were the final villain. He was the ultimate culmination of that concept.

It's not like Cell or Freeza who have to stand on their own and need their own development to be a compelling threat. He's a portion of a whole, who just becomes the whole.

In fact I'd argue that the Shenron threat was as menacing as any threat, because at this point you don't have the Dragon Balls to fall back on as the big deus ex machine of the series, and now that there are questions around the Dragon Balls, you don't really want to take a chance with the Namekian Dragon Balls. So every death and bit of destruction is more impactful than ever.
That's the thing... he's just the obstacle they have to overcome. He's basically Broly without the hordes of rabid fanboys to suck his shenlong dry.
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DBZGTKOSDH wrote:... Haven't we already gotten these in GT? Goku dies, the DBs go away, and the Namekian DBs most likely won't be used again because of the Evil Dragons.
Goku didn't die in GT. The show sucked him off so much, it was impossible to keep him in the world of the living, so he ascended beyond mortality.
jjgp1112 wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:31 am I'm just about done with the concept of reboots and making shows that were products of their time and impactful "new and sexy" and in line with modern tastes and sensibilities. Let stuff stay in their era and give today's kids their own shit to watch.

I always side eye the people who say "Now my kids/today's kids can experience what I did as a child!" Nigga, who gives a fuck about your childhood? You're an adult now and it was at least 15 years ago. Let the kids have their own experience instead of picking at a corpse.

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Re: Dullest DragonBall character

Post by Basaku » Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:55 pm

Super's Videl unfortunately eclipsed everyone in the franchise's history...

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