What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:06 am

TheUltimateVegito wrote:
It was only Gohan.
It doesn't matter if it was just Gohan or if it was most of them. The plan would only work if Gero was completely ignoring the place where Piccolo fell. But he wasn't because at least one of them was right beside Piccolo since Piccolo didn't tell anyone what he planned.

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:11 am

rereboy wrote:
TheUltimateVegito wrote:
It was only Gohan.
It doesn't matter if it was just Gohan or if it was most of them. The plan would only work if Gero was completely ignoring the place where Piccolo fell. But he wasn't because at least one of them was right beside Piccolo since Piccolo didn't tell anyone what he planned.
Not really. Like I said, Gero would assume Gohan wouldn't be able to do anything to stop #19 at that point. Gero was still ignoring the place where Piccolo fell.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:12 am

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rereboy wrote:
TheUltimateVegito wrote:
It was only Gohan.
It doesn't matter if it was just Gohan or if it was most of them. The plan would only work if Gero was completely ignoring the place where Piccolo fell. But he wasn't because at least one of them was right beside Piccolo since Piccolo didn't tell anyone what he planned.
Not really. Like I said, Gero would assume Gohan wouldn't be able to do anything to stop #19 at that point.
If Gero felt it was pointless to watch Gohan since Piccolo fell easily, then he wouldn't be concerned with any of them... and yet he obviously was and intended to not let anyone pass.

In fact, if any of them required special attention, it was Gohan since Gero saw the Radditz and the Vegeta fight and thus he knew that Gohan had more potential than Tenshinhan, Krillin or Yamcha as it was shown in those fights. Not to mention that Gohan, being Goku's son, should be the one most motivated to save Goku.

Add to that the fact that Piccolo would be pretty stupid to assume that Gero would just ignore whoever remained beside him and focus on the rest, so, even if Gero ended up ignoring whoever was beside him, it would have been just a lucky guess by Piccolo.

What you said makes no sense...

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:27 am

rereboy wrote: If Gero felt it was pointless to watch Gohan since Piccolo fell easily, then he wouldn't be concerned with any of them... and yet he obviously was and intended to not let anyone pass.

In fact, if any of them required special attention, it was Gohan since Gero saw the Radditz and the Vegeta fight and thus he knew that Gohan had more potential than Tenshinhan, Krillin or Yamcha as it was shown in those fights. Not to mention that Gohan, being Goku's son, should be the one most motivated to save Goku.

Add to that the fact that Piccolo would be pretty stupid to assume that Gero would just ignore whoever remained beside him and focus on the rest.

What you said makes no sense...
Gohan was still weaker than Goku and Piccolo during the Saiyan invasion. Potential or not, Gero knew that he wouldn't be able to match #19 just like how he couldn't match Nappa even with rage boost. Gero didn't feel it was pointless, but rather dropped his guard and faced the Z-Fighters. That split second being enough time for Piccolo to charge at #19. If Gohan was any match he'd most likely team up with Goku or attacked #20 when he was blocking him, but he didn't.

Motivated or not, all it takes is an eye laser to drop Gohan too.

Piccolo felt that Gero would probably watch him again, but by then it would be too late. Piccolo already created enough distance between them to add to the fact that #20 would let his guard down/have false sense of security. It's actually smart thinking.

Makes perfect sense.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by rereboy » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:39 pm

Piccolo telling them his plan so that they would stay away from him and Gero would ignore the place where he landed makes sense (even though it's hard to say if it's a better plan than just fighting Gero).

Not telling them anything and rely on guesses like assuming that Gero would just ignore whoever came to his aid and remained by his side, doesn't make sense and is a much worse plan than telling them his plan with telepathy.

In all plans that require more than one party to work, communication always increases the chances of success dramatically, and in this case the difference in communicating or not is the difference between having basically zero chance of working and having a good change of working.

If you genuinely think it does, well, all I can say is that you have a pretty strange sense of logic that I believe is flawed. But I think you are more concerned in trying to come up with reasons to justify the opinion that you have already formed instead of actually analyzing things logically to see what would actually make sense and then form an opinion.

Either way, the discussion has run its course and there's no point to it anymore.

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by TheUltimateVegito » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:42 am

rereboy wrote:Piccolo telling them his plan so that they would stay away from him and Gero would ignore the place where he landed makes sense (even though it's hard to say if it's a better plan than just fighting Gero).

Not telling them anything and rely on guesses like assuming that Gero would just ignore whoever came to his aid and remained by his side, doesn't make sense and is a much worse plan than telling them his plan with telepathy.

In all plans that require more than one party to work, communication always increases the chances of success dramatically, and in this case the difference in communicating or not is the difference between having basically zero chance of working and having a good change of working.

If you genuinely think it does, well, all I can say is that you have a pretty strange sense of logic that I believe is flawed. But I think you are more concerned in trying to come up with reasons to justify the opinion that you have already formed instead of actually analyzing things logically to see what would actually make sense and then form an opinion.

Either way, the discussion has run its course and there's no point to it anymore.
Actually I did analyse the situation and pointed out why it's smart thinking on Piccolo's part, but whatever.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by TobyS » Thu Jan 21, 2016 3:19 pm

It made perfect sense to me, he believes he one-shotted Piccolo who fell down to the ground, out of Geros eyeline and assumed to be unconscious.

One guy weaker then the strongest guy he thinks has just been one-shotted flys down to him, this weak guy is also tending to the newly shot guy, not expressing a desire to go after Goku.

Gero is looking straight ahead at the people he knows are concious/alive rather then the Piccolo he thinks is out for the count.

Piccolo was about to leap up and either boot 19 out of the way or try to smash him quickly like he later did to Gero.

The point was to get the dying Goku out of there before fighting any androids for what may be an extended period of time.

He would have booted 19 like Vegeta did and chucked Goku to one of the humans. Then he would have fought the androids with or without the other earthlings help.

It was a perfectly good plan.

The most you can say, and I'd disagree, is that Toriyama maybe didn't express/draw this well. But it's word of God/Clear from the context/not contradicted by any other character.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by LSSJGODSSJ4Gogeta » Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:42 pm

Lord Beerus wrote:He gave Dr Gero as false sense of superiority. That's the in-universe explanation I've always rolled with.

That makes sense, but what doesn't is why he just didn't fight Gero and have someone else kick 19 off like he kicked frieza on namek. Hindsight=20/20.
I just think his stradegy was flawed. In fact if he DID fight he would have owned him.

Piccolo>Gero after taking power from him and vegeta>Gero during the 19/Goku battle.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by TobyS » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:23 pm

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Lord Beerus wrote:He gave Dr Gero as false sense of superiority. That's the in-universe explanation I've always rolled with.

That makes sense, but what doesn't is why he just didn't fight Gero and have someone else kick 19 off like he kicked Freeza on namek. Hindsight=20/20.
I just think his stradegy was flawed. In fact if he DID fight he would have owned him.

Piccolo>Gero after taking power from him and vegeta>Gero during the 19/Goku battle.
But Vegeta is MUCH more fun to watch :D

He doesn't know if/how much stronger he is then Gero, the androids don't have Ki, He has seen 19 fight but not Gero. If a brawl broke out between Gero and Piccolo +/- some humans #19 would start paying some attention and not be susceptible to a sneak attack. It might also be that only Piccolo has the power to get 19 off Goku and Tenshinhan or Gohan couldn't do it.

His plan was seconds away from paying off. That damn interfering Vegeta...
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Sun Jan 24, 2016 3:03 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:I always found it annoying when the out of universe answer is used for something like this. Piccolo said that he was acting hurt so that he can save Goku when they're not looking, 19 and 20 seemed strong at that point because Goku had trouble with 19 and they couldnt sense their Ki so they didnt know that wasnt true, then Vegeta messed up his plan.
How would a plan like that even work if the Androids can read ki levels? Wouldn't they know he didn't get weaker? Or would they automatically assume he was done? Why would they though? They would also see him if he planned on crawling over to Goku.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by Kuririn Fan » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:01 am

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I always found it annoying when the out of universe answer is used for something like this. Piccolo said that he was acting hurt so that he can save Goku when they're not looking, 19 and 20 seemed strong at that point because Goku had trouble with 19 and they couldnt sense their Ki so they didnt know that wasnt true, then Vegeta messed up his plan.
How would a plan like that even work if the Androids can read ki levels? Wouldn't they know he didn't get weaker? Or would they automatically assume he was done? Why would they though? They would also see him if he planned on crawling over to Goku.
Not a great plan, what can i say.

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by Darkprince410 » Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:18 am

SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I always found it annoying when the out of universe answer is used for something like this. Piccolo said that he was acting hurt so that he can save Goku when they're not looking, 19 and 20 seemed strong at that point because Goku had trouble with 19 and they couldnt sense their Ki so they didnt know that wasnt true, then Vegeta messed up his plan.
How would a plan like that even work if the Androids can read ki levels? Wouldn't they know he didn't get weaker? Or would they automatically assume he was done? Why would they though? They would also see him if he planned on crawling over to Goku.
If he intentionally dropped his battle power down considerably the moment after he took the hit, it's possible that he could have feigned the severity of the injury. If Gohan and the others seemed to think that Piccolo had been done in by the attack, then obviously they couldn't sense that his ki level was the same.

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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by SingleFringe&Sparks » Tue Jan 26, 2016 6:27 pm

Kuririn Fan wrote:
SingleFringe&Sparks wrote:
Kuririn Fan wrote:I always found it annoying when the out of universe answer is used for something like this. Piccolo said that he was acting hurt so that he can save Goku when they're not looking, 19 and 20 seemed strong at that point because Goku had trouble with 19 and they couldnt sense their Ki so they didnt know that wasnt true, then Vegeta messed up his plan.
How would a plan like that even work if the Androids can read ki levels? Wouldn't they know he didn't get weaker? Or would they automatically assume he was done? Why would they though? They would also see him if he planned on crawling over to Goku.
Not a great plan, what can i say.
Piccolo stretching his arm over after a dusty diversion would have been a better plan.
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Re: What was Piccolo's strategy when he got hit by Gero?

Post by omaro34 » Thu Feb 04, 2016 11:46 pm

It was simply a decision Piccolo made to see how strong Gero was, and to make Gero think that Piccolo was inferior to him. Someone already mentioned this though.

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