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And people say Toriyama doesn't care about Dragon Ball these days.Ajay wrote:The translation thanks to Kei17:
I'm shocked.Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.
I hope so. Ep 27 still has it flaws but was one of the best episodes. Can't wait for the U6 arc.sintzu wrote:If the majority of the U6 arc is as good as ep27 then yes.Mnich wrote:It's good to hear that he's upset, but do you really think it will change anything?
It doesn't really read like that to me at all honestly.Cold Skin wrote:That's not surprising, the man was not even satisfied with what was coming directly from him! (remember how he liked only one drawing of his in the first Art Collection, claiming the rest were failures compared to what he actually had in mind?).
So don't expect him to easily accept even things that are perfectly fine, he's an extreme, ever-unsatisfied perfectionist that can't refrain to come back to his work, that's what he's saying.
He's certainly not saying that Super is bad, he's taking the blame on him.
He complained about the anime back in Z, he'll complain in Super too. Except Super is good enough for him to actually keep an eye on it, when he didn't watch Z at all if I'm not mistaken, even when his kids were. But then again, my memory may be playing tricks on me.
In other words, Toriyama doesn't say Super is bad, Toriyama says he's just annoying and never satisfied, which keeps him coming back to it. And that's good for us.
His sentence is to be interpreted as "I've been like this for a long time, and even now, I nitpick about the new anime when I really shouldn't". Which is why it's being published in the first place, it is not a criticism on anything but himself.
It defintely reads much more like that than this, for instance:ArchedThunder wrote:It doesn't really read like that to me at all honestly.
I mean, lol. What a way to twist the man's words.Jaetinh wrote:Damn the art quality of DBS is horrible, great to see he thinks so too.
That's only going to be the tip of iceberg. Toriyama's comment is going to misconstrued all over the internet in all kinds of way.Araki wrote:I mean, lol. What a way to twist the man's words.Jaetinh wrote:Damn the art quality of DBS is horrible, great to see he thinks so too.
Dude. Sorry for not knowing what's going on in Toriyama's mind like Cold Skin, jeez. I wasn't really trying to twist his words, I was just assuming he was talking about the animation/art, since a lot of members on this board mentioned it too.Araki wrote:It's defintely much more like that than this, for instance:ArchedThunder wrote:It doesn't really read like that to me at all honestly.
I mean, lol. What a pathetic way to twist the man's words.Jaetinh wrote:Damn the art quality of DBS is horrible, great to see he thinks so too.
She/Her Don't forget to take your estrogen! 
Well, what else could he be talking about, realistically? So far, the story is more or less the same as in the movies, the art style is the same as in the movies that he has praised for their animation, the voice actors are the same ones he's been praising as well, and I really doubt he is talking about the music. It's not like we have consistently high quality animation after all.JulieYBM wrote:There is nothing to suggest it is the animation that Toriyama is complaining about.
James Teal (Animerica 1996) wrote:When you think about it, there are a number of similarities between the Chinese-inspired Son Goku and that most American of superhero icons, Superman. Both are aliens sent to Earth shortly after birth to escape the destruction of their homeworlds; both possess super-strength, flight, super-speed, heightened senses and the ability to cast energy blasts. But the crucial difference between them lies not only in how they view the world, but in how the world views them.
Superman is, and always has been, a symbol for truth, justice, and upstanding moral fortitude–a role model and leader as much as a fighter. The more down-to-earth Goku has no illusions about being responsible for maintaining social order, or for setting some kind of moral example for the entire world. Goku is simply a martial artist who’s devoted his life toward perfecting his fighting skills and other abilities. Though never shy about risking his life to save either one person or the entire world, he just doesn’t believe that the balance of the world rests in any way on his shoulders, and he has no need to shape any part of it in his image. Goku is an idealist, and believes that there is some good in everyone, but he is unconcerned with the big picture of the world…unless it has to do with some kind of fight. Politics, society, law and order don’t have much bearing on his life, but he’s a man who knows right from wrong.
She/Her Don't forget to take your estrogen! It could be the pacing, the dialogue, the choreography, anything really. There's a good chance that the art and whatnot is a part of what he is talking about, but I'd hate to assume and get my hopes up.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, what else could he be talking about, realistically? So far, the story is more or less the same as in the movies, the art style is the same as in the movies that he has praised for their animation, the voice actors are the same ones he's been praising as well, and I really doubt he is talking about the music. It's not like we have consistently high quality animation after all.JulieYBM wrote:There is nothing to suggest it is the animation that Toriyama is complaining about.
And that's something that worry me about! Will Toriyama's words have impact in DBS quality? Will he be like Naoko Takeuchi? Will this series actually have the treatment that deserves?Mnich wrote:It's good to hear that he's upset, but do you really think it will change anything?
Even if it is about the animation, he could be talking about a specific episode that made him complain, like #5 (which wouldn't surprise me at all, as a completely natural reaction). So any conclusion would still be based on assumptions either way.DBZGTKOSDH wrote:Well, what else could he be talking about, realistically? So far, the story is more or less the same as in the movies, the art style is the same as in the movies that he has praised for their animation, the voice actors are the same ones he's been praising as well, and I really doubt he is talking about the music. It's not like we have consistently high quality animation after all.JulieYBM wrote:There is nothing to suggest it is the animation that Toriyama is complaining about.
We have to find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Super.Noah wrote:Will Toriyama's words have impact in DBS quality? Will he be like Naoko Takeuchi? Will this series actually have the treatment that deserves?
If I could choose a theme for that phrase of yours it would be this oneFortuneSSJ wrote:We have to find out on the next episode of Dragon Ball Super.
Seriously, I also did not get that impression in the least. He is disappointed with the Dragon Ball Super anime in a way that is comparable to the way he was disappointed with the original Battle of Gods script and DB Evolution; works that he had NOTHING to do with. He's not even saying that just the animation is terrible, he's dislikes it as a product that he did not work on. This could easily (and likely) include the awful filler, changes, and music.ArchedThunder wrote:It doesn't really read like that to me at all honestly.Cold Skin wrote:Spoiler:
That was not what he said at all, it's just what you want to believe.batistabus wrote:Seriously, I also did not get that impression in the least. He is disappointed with the Dragon Ball Super anime in a way that is comparable to the way he was disappointed with the original Battle of Gods script and DB Evolution; works that he had NOTHING to do with. He's not even saying that just the animation is terrible, he's dislikes it as a product that he did not work on. This could easily (and likely) include the awful filler, changes, and music.
