"Dragon Ball Super" Series Official Announcement & Discussion Thread

[dbzfan7]

Toriyama is pretty hard on himself too. I'm actually not that surprised anymore he's displeased.

Regarding F

Akira Toriyama:
It’s really embarrassing to have this called a “screenplay”. It’d probably be more accurate to say it’s just a memo. It’s simply something I idly dashed off for the staff, just to help explain the flow of the story and the dialogue! Never in a million years did I think it would get published. If any of you are trying to become scriptwriters, please don’t use this as an example!!

[Noah]

Toriyama is pretty hard on himself too. I'm actually not that surprised anymore he's displeased.

Regarding F

Akira Toriyama:
It’s really embarrassing to have this called a “screenplay”. It’d probably be more accurate to say it’s just a memo. It’s simply something I idly dashed off for the staff, just to help explain the flow of the story and the dialogue! Never in a million years did I think it would get published. If any of you are trying to become scriptwriters, please don’t use this as an example!!

I don't get it, is this comment about the film or RoF Arc? Also is this recent?

[batistabus]

That was not what he said at all, it's just what you want to believe.

He just said how he feels overprotective about Dragon Ball these days and that he complained about something vague in the anime. That was it. Anything else is people trying to project their own feelings, really.

Dragon Ball once became a thing of the past to me, but after that, I got angry about the live action movie, re-wrote an entire movie script, and now I'm complaining about the quality of the new TV anime. It seems Dragon Ball has grown on me so much that I can't leave it alone.

You are not paying attention to what he is actually saying in the quote. He's talking about two things we know for a fact that he dislikes the quality of, and then mentions "the quality of the new TV anime". The anime has only covered material that has already been covered in the movies, yet he is not complaining about these movies. He is unhappy with the overall quality of the anime because he thinks that it is bad for some reason (because it is). This is not vague.

Toriyama is pretty hard on himself too. I'm actually not that surprised anymore he's displeased.
Regarding F

He is just speaking the truth: that he did not know that this "screenplay" would be published and that it isn't representative of most professional screenplays. He seems to be embarrassed about the presentation of the script, but not the dialogue, plot, themes, etc.

[kei17]

I can't tell about the source because it's some kind of insider information, but from what I heard, Toriyama certainly is not deeply involved in the production. Not as much as he was in the last two movies at least.

[FortuneSSJ]

I don't get it, is this comment about the film or RoF Arc? Also is this recent?

Its about the ROF Movie production.
Unlike BOG where Toriyama re-wrote Toei script, Toriyama wrote ROF from the scratch and explained to the staff how the plot would unfold.

[Hellspawn28]

I guess Toriyama was not happy on how the retellings of BOG and ROF. I guess he had nothing to do with them going by his comment. He probably told Toei to whatever they want with BOG and ROF while he is working on the Universe 6 stuff. It's good that Toriyama is likely not going to leave the series again anytime soon.

[Noah]

Its about the ROF Movie production.
Unlike BOG where Toriyama re-wrote Toei script, Toriyama wrote ROF from the scratch and explained to the staff how the plot would unfold.

Oh, so he's is just complaining that his draft was published or that the staff did something not intended for him in the production?

Anyway, It's weird to think that BoG is a re-wrote Toei script movie and RoF is a fully script movie made by Toriyama, I really feel like it's the other way around lol

[batistabus]

Anyway, It's weird to think that BoG is a re-wrote Toei script movie and RoF is a fully script movie made by Toriyama, I really feel like it's the other way around lol

From what Toriyama says here and based on everything he's said about the situation before, this is what I've gathered:

-An entire script for a new Dragon Ball movie was written by Yūsuke Watanabe. This script featured a much darker plot/villain named Birusu (same name, but the pun was Virus because he infected people with evil) and Goku as a Super Saiyan God.
-The script was shown to Toriyama at some point. After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball). Without being asked (not sure about this), he wrote down a bunch of suggestions...which turned into an entire re-write of the script. He ended up redoing all of the character designs as well.
-Watanabe and apparently enough people on the production thought that this was much more "Dragon Ball"/better/something the fans would prefer/didn't want to disrespect Toriyama, and used his script instead.
-Watanabe was still credited as script writer. We're not sure what his contributions to the final product were aside from Birusu and Super Saiyan God.

In the situation of RoF, Toriyama was tasked with writing the script from the beginning. The final product matches Toriyama's memo almost exactly.

We're not sure if Toriyama ever submitted a full screenplay like he did for RoF in the case of BoG, and it's entirely possible what he submitted is very similar to what he's contributed to Super (more things we don't know...) and Watanabe transformed it into a script.

[That's what I remember of the situation, at least. If I've made a mistake, someone please correct me.]

[Zephyr]

After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball).

If I remember correctly, this was after the whole recent earthquake/tsunami incident, and Toriyama didn't want such a dark story right after that.

[batistabus]

After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball).

If I remember correctly, this was after the whole recent earthquake/tsunami incident, and Toriyama didn't want such a dark story right after that.

Yeah, that's probably part of it. I'm pretty sure he at least explained that the earthquake was why he didn't want to have any buildings destroyed in the battle between Super Saiyan God Goku and Beerus.

[eledoremassis02]

has he said anything about the manga? I wonder if thats part of the reason why they jumped ahead?

[King Jacku]

So he barely does anything on Super eh? I guess that means the movies are the way he envisioned their stories, which is perfectly fine to me as I preferred both of them over Super.

And I'm guessing he's complaining about the art and fight choreography, those are the 2 things that stick out as awful.

[Xeztin]

Anyway, It's weird to think that BoG is a re-wrote Toei script movie and RoF is a fully script movie made by Toriyama, I really feel like it's the other way around lol

From what Toriyama says here and based on everything he's said about the situation before, this is what I've gathered:

-An entire script for a new Dragon Ball movie was written by Yūsuke Watanabe. This script featured a much darker plot/villain named Birusu (same name, but the pun was Virus because he infected people with evil) and Goku as a Super Saiyan God.
-The script was shown to Toriyama at some point. After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball). Without being asked (not sure about this), he wrote down a bunch of suggestions...which turned into an entire re-write of the script. He ended up redoing all of the character designs as well.
-Watanabe and apparently enough people on the production thought that this was much more "Dragon Ball"/better/something the fans would prefer/didn't want to disrespect Toriyama, and used his script instead.
-Watanabe was still credited as script writer. We're not sure what his contributions to the final product were aside from Birusu and Super Saiyan God.

In the situation of RoF, Toriyama was tasked with writing the script from the beginning. The final product matches Toriyama's memo almost exactly.

We're not sure if Toriyama ever submitted a full screenplay like he did for RoF in the case of BoG, and it's entirely possible what he submitted is very similar to what he's contributed to Super (more things we don't know...) and Watanabe transformed it into a script.

[That's what I remember of the situation, at least. If I've made a mistake, someone please correct me.]

I think it'd be cool if Yūsuke Watanabe's version was turned into a DBS only movie and didn't take place with the DBS anime timeline much like the original DBZ movies. Of course you'd have to change character designs and take out SSG but I find the whole Virus concept interesting. (Virus doesn't need to be a God)

[Noah]

...but I find the whole Virus concept interesting. (Virus doesn't need to be a God)

Nah, It's just the same concept as Black Water Mist or Baby's parasites all over again, I don't think it would be good for a third time.

[Chuquita]

I think it could be interesting, but I can't see it happening with Toriyama being involved. Part of the whole point of Virus was he turned everyone on Earth evil (while Gokû was away on Kaio's?) so when Gokû returned home everyone started giving him a verbal/emotional beat-down. Like they made him feel sad and actually made him think about some of the stupid stuff he's done. Toriyama has Gokû getting physically beaten up in battle, but he doesn't really do that kind of heartache.

Plus I don't know if I'd want to see more "sad Gokû"; the end of (episode 15? I think it was 15.) was really sad enough.

[Black_Liger]

Quite frankly, that would put some good depth into an anime where death does not matter anymore.

[Cipher]

I can't tell about the source because it's some kind of insider information, but from what I heard, Toriyama certainly is not deeply involved in the production. Not as much as he was in the last two movies at least.

That's relatively unsurprising, but good to have more evidence for.

Frankly, it doesn't make much sense that, after basically writing two scripts, he'd have a high level of involvement adapting them to episode format. Not to mention that fans highly familiar with the franchise can pick out elements that have been more characteristic of Toei's writing staff than Toriyama.

I don't get it, is this comment about the film or RoF Arc? Also is this recent?

I believe it was a comment printed in some of the F bonus material in the Japanese home release. In this case the implication seems to be that his dialogue+note-outline is so detailed that it's a functioning screenplay, though. That, and he's likely uncomfortable claiming a role in a field he doesn't think himself a part of. He's always been a manga-artist first. And, I think, in his mind that's all he is.

Re: Thread: Yeah, the quote has me kind of giddy. But as has already been pointed out, there's a very valid "Now I even nitpick the anime when I don't have to!" reading there, as a self-effacing way of acknowledging how far in he's gotten. Or maybe he truly has become more protective of the series and is actively dissatisfied with the production or Super-specific character beats (either of which I could see). Hard to say.

EDIT -- Looked at the original text. "Monku o iu" is actually pretty brazen.

[Pannaliciour]

Anyway, It's weird to think that BoG is a re-wrote Toei script movie and RoF is a fully script movie made by Toriyama, I really feel like it's the other way around lol

From what Toriyama says here and based on everything he's said about the situation before, this is what I've gathered:

-An entire script for a new Dragon Ball movie was written by Yūsuke Watanabe. This script featured a much darker plot/villain named Birusu (same name, but the pun was Virus because he infected people with evil) and Goku as a Super Saiyan God.
-The script was shown to Toriyama at some point. After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball). Without being asked (not sure about this), he wrote down a bunch of suggestions...which turned into an entire re-write of the script. He ended up redoing all of the character designs as well.
-Watanabe and apparently enough people on the production thought that this was much more "Dragon Ball"/better/something the fans would prefer/didn't want to disrespect Toriyama, and used his script instead.
-Watanabe was still credited as script writer. We're not sure what his contributions to the final product were aside from Birusu and Super Saiyan God.

In the situation of RoF, Toriyama was tasked with writing the script from the beginning. The final product matches Toriyama's memo almost exactly.

We're not sure if Toriyama ever submitted a full screenplay like he did for RoF in the case of BoG, and it's entirely possible what he submitted is very similar to what he's contributed to Super (more things we don't know...) and Watanabe transformed it into a script.

[That's what I remember of the situation, at least. If I've made a mistake, someone please correct me.]

Hmm thats something I would like to see in Dragon Ball, something dark, less funny. A more serious feeling. Super is just to "child" sometimes.

[Khin]

Don't know if these pictures have been already posted.







About Cabba.I think the reason why he have those female-like eyes is because if he will have those typical eyes for males,he will look exactly like Tarble or Gohan.But in the pic above,he looks like a female.

[Kakarotto92]

Anyway, It's weird to think that BoG is a re-wrote Toei script movie and RoF is a fully script movie made by Toriyama, I really feel like it's the other way around lol

From what Toriyama says here and based on everything he's said about the situation before, this is what I've gathered:

-An entire script for a new Dragon Ball movie was written by Yūsuke Watanabe. This script featured a much darker plot/villain named Birusu (same name, but the pun was Virus because he infected people with evil) and Goku as a Super Saiyan God.
-The script was shown to Toriyama at some point. After reading the script, Toriyama was displeased with it in some way (because he thought that it was too dark, because it didn't feel like Dragon Ball). Without being asked (not sure about this), he wrote down a bunch of suggestions...which turned into an entire re-write of the script. He ended up redoing all of the character designs as well.
-Watanabe and apparently enough people on the production thought that this was much more "Dragon Ball"/better/something the fans would prefer/didn't want to disrespect Toriyama, and used his script instead.
-Watanabe was still credited as script writer. We're not sure what his contributions to the final product were aside from Birusu and Super Saiyan God.

In the situation of RoF, Toriyama was tasked with writing the script from the beginning. The final product matches Toriyama's memo almost exactly.

We're not sure if Toriyama ever submitted a full screenplay like he did for RoF in the case of BoG, and it's entirely possible what he submitted is very similar to what he's contributed to Super (more things we don't know...) and Watanabe transformed it into a script.

[That's what I remember of the situation, at least. If I've made a mistake, someone please correct me.]

Hmm thats something I would like to see in Dragon Ball, something dark, less funny. A more serious feeling. Super is just to "child" sometimes.

BoG's original script basically wanted to retcon the saiyans into being victims of some BS magic virus that made them evil; if Toei went ahead with this terrible idea I imagine there would be a huge fan backlash and rightly so. It also featured things like a rehash of Garlic Jr arc, a SSG transformation with a magical cape and Beerus would be just another generic villain like the other Toei movies instead of the unique character we ended up with .